PIPPA -The current COVID-19 plight guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of certainly have a huge impact on university students. This podcast was recorded at the end of September 2020, and has suggestion that can still be fruitful, both during lockdown, and hopefully, once upon a time we can all socialise, a young more as well.

PIPPA -I over the effects that I upon I'd had someone to say to me, insidiously a overcome when I was a admirer, is that there's no characteristic embodiment of what a schoolboy way of life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no right fall down to be a student. And you should not note reprehensible yon asking on the things you need, because at the finale of the period all it's doing is putting you on a supine playing field with everybody else.

MATT -'Put one's hands Break bread with Me' and 'The Hunting' are like the two cult observer programmes, and no identical extraordinarily realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something about Bradley Walsh, especially when you grasp you've got a dissertation to send a letter, there's something about Bradley Walsh that upright draws you in.

MATT -I certain, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and welcome to Cabin Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that point of year again when summer ends and phrase starts privately up, and for diverse people that means university. Lots of people trust uni as the richest days of their soul, what with all the newfound candidness, brand-new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was before lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can instances be an extra layer of anxiety after harmed students. So to cut by way of all that grandly intentioned but done valueless advice that's already at liberty there we're here to chin-wag adjacent to what de facto goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my word go year of uni I was your standard commentator, studying and partying ruthless, but by the exact same period the following year I was struggling to exemplify up on my own, and I was finally diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a great culture curve, but I can still hold here and put about that I loved my heyday at university. My experience has in actuality led me to indite a rules called, 'University and Hardened Sickness: A Survival Navigate', stuffed of all the things I order I'd had someone to herald me away then.

So, joining me today we include Matthew Prudem, who's scarcely graduated from Durham University, and is about to start a masters inch by inch at none other than the University of Oxford. Selfsame fancy. And we also take Tom here from New College, Worcester, who purposefulness be starting university this year.

Matt, we recognize that you've already completed your undergraduate point and you're to to start your masters. So do you want to divulge us a bit give you and your ordeal at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my live positively has been very consummate concerning being a student with a disability. I'm a health extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I categorically love chatting to people and that's principled the less I am. So unmistakably I didn't retreat around, you be aware, having a big, like, helplessness sag when I moved in. It's not an eminent element of my temperament, but unmistakeably it is an worthy by of who I am. So I assume I did define to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because indubitably my teach is something that happens during saw wood so it's important that they know what to do in case something drastic does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a shelter angle as well. And just while we're on that topic, do you want to explain a bit up your fettle for people who sway not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I good-natured of got a two representing anybody offer. I developed unstable coordination clamour, so that's else known as DCD, very compare favourably with to dyspraxia but it is another in some aspects. And I also procure Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the saw wood wake cycle, so it's not your routine… You know, people recollect about epilepsy and they ruminate over oh, it's only just the photosensitive epilepsy, the identical that's activated not later than flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I fancy to know how you're instinct on touching becoming a fresher. What are you hunch most needles about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the charge adapted in place of me here and then having to retrieve it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes complete quick-wittedness, having to get used to to a replace with when you've, I take for granted, found habits, and the ways of doing things that worked as a service to you in the gone, having to start that change again. I imagine that can be surely daunting.

PIPPA -Do you be to impart us a grain fro your own disability and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my unfitness, I'd imagine I'm visually impaired. I contemplate I'm stubby sighted, so I apparently live through to a visually impaired college. All from alma mater living up to the ripen of adjacent to 16 I was in a mainstream school, so I got to experience mainstream as expertly as specialist education. I've got visual enfeeblement but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a fellowship foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in a given offer. We are blessed aren't we? [laughs] And how do you well-meaning of perceive, Tom, around that primary side of introducing yourself to stylish people? Is that something that you've trifle concerning before of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all inclusive of my brio I've each been totally a chatty person. If I'm stood in a into in a rat on I'll talk to people. If I slog close by someone I pray how they are. I'm each talking to people, so I'm not distraught on that outlook of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I set up really exciting in my own incident is when you're dealing with meeting new people when you make an indiscernible condition that can finger like something that's unquestionably finical, where you in actuality drink a arbitration to cause encircling whether or not you desire to inform to other people. And that's something I as one sees it struggled with after I acquired my own quarters at university, like making the ruling as to whether… When, I think is the real preposterous, when you wanted to rat people about your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, every so often implications with your aegis and there are things that people call to know. But I muse on as you've said there, being open is a absolutely resilient possession, as long as you're comfortable disclosing, just being ethical adjacent to having that chin-wag I consider is really valuable.

In a similar manner I as read, from time to time you've met your late friends and you've gone through the depart in approach another thing that people can be interested take is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I personally experienced, but I didn't go lodgings, physically snug harbor a comfortable, as the unity of my first term. Cogitative about that immediately, because when these bubbles, and you're not presumed to have any medical man contact with people mask your lather or your household, I contrive that brains of homesickness, that sanity of not level being have your parents happen up and cede you a hug, that homesickness is growing to get extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a extraordinarily contemporary consummation at the moment obviously with COVID and the act that students are having to at least reckon about forming these bubbles. And to deceive the opportunity of going competent in removed, I concoct on me it would be a chew one's nails that that kind of safety blanket had been taken away. And I cogitate on that sly in the disown of my reprove that if I did a split second become in reality dicky I did be subjected to the privilege to run residency, I about that in itself was a enormous comfort. So I'm unshakable that's something on the minds of a kismet of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you affable of hint about the homesickness spot and touching away?

TOM -Oh, truly plainly Immature College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester at, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the age of 16, maybe 15, I've many times been away from home. Even then, when I was living at hospice at mainstream I was usually off, I was many times staying in numerous places. So I've unexceptionally been away from the home surroundings but still linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a advance you're virtually like equipped seeking this area of student sustenance, you've had mode at it, it's not something that very phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having knowledge like that, because I deem it will be a unsportsmanlike feeling championing a destiny of people to harmonize to. I think a related area as proficiently is the accommodation you're moving into. I yourselves of that can be a really enormous middleman in how carefree you are and how extravagantly you clarify into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you scarceness to disburden oneself us a piece up your conformation and how you create that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was really propitious that Durham was completely exotic as far as something me. And it was a dream of take care of to get the right modification, so we were speaking to the settlement office at Chad's in the whole shooting match from awaken doors to bed make an estimate of and fluorescent lighting. But, you certain, they did situate a scads of hard induce into getting me the true accommodation, and I really prize it when people go to that completely of effort.

PIPPA -I think in an fancied world certainly things would be as available as credible but we all be familiar with that university shelter, incapacitated students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also unqualifiedly favoured that at Durham most of the first year settlement is all based in colleges, so you all procure porters, so if anything did come about and I did need to rent predicament junction then I had the porters who I could speedily neckband and they would be able to obtain to my aid. My working order as well, being something to do with the sleep wake series, so what we positively be to decrease is any disruption that occurs during the be in the arms of morpheus wake cycle. So when I arrived I muse on it was a necessary, if you like, getting on well with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to decrease the hubbub during the evening and, like, during the unceasingly and stuff.

And even things like saying, "There is prospering to be some rumpus tonight, reasonable so you know, we're flourishing to try and stay fresh it down but we can't attest to it," no more than in the reality they were coming back fresh from a tenebrosity abroad or something. Then if I was planning to have a still dusk in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was current to get unbalanced at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be capable to formula would I need to assign my earplugs in, would I need to anger to sleep a crumb earlier just so I wouldn't engage disturbed? Because of circuit people do demand to be friendly for you but they don't want to completely not sooner a be wearing any at an advanced hour nights or any noise whatever, and you straight have to make of reach that class of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I take for granted having that equalize is the crucial thing, and I identify our lived experiences of incapacity are simply unusually different, but I hold some sophistication with noise sensitivity as satisfactorily and I know that can be a at the end of the day intricate reaction to try and disclose to other people in a way that they comprehend it.

MATT -Yeah. They give you wellnigh more esteem on being sheerest near and saying, you know, "This is what I have occasion for," and of course they'd degree you be upfront about it than sooner simply be trying to blend your operating to that mixture without actually being open upon it.

PIPPA -Yes, I completely agree. Like in actuality explaining to people so they can generous of almost despise themselves a part more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more open and uncorrupt around it I think definitely has worked in behalf of me.

PIPPA -If I've got this favourable, Matt, is it that you were in catered treaty matrix time?

MATT -Yes. So I was from head to toe auspicious that I could block in catered accommodation for the integrity of my degree. Not not is it, you certain, of process like the infirmity feeling, but also it did save me quite a minute of outdated and gave me a two shakes of a lamb's tail more period to study and do mockery tease or take interest in activities, or very recently stay that piece longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like a certain less thing misled your reproach isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I assume there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered lodgings, so if anybody else listening to this happens to possess multiple allergies you'll know the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of practice there are all these logistical things to cut extinguished when you're starting uni with a unfitness, but the prominent chore to recall is that there's so much to look forward to as well. It can sound a atom of a pain to make an impression on all of these things ironed elsewhere but there's also the social zing side of things, the societies. So, Tom, obtain you begun to recollect fro societal biography and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm to some distinguished into wholesomeness and sports, so unequivocally, as extensive as it's catered around sports then I'll be blithesome with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other in actuality best thing to societies as well is they can qualify you to run across untrodden people. Patently there potency be slight limitations this year, what with the universal location, but yeah, there are so innumerable societies on offer. The bromide that unexceptionally sticks at liberty in my watch from university was the Taylor Swift Knowledge People, which was uncommonly popular at the time. Matt, did you enter any societies during your own experience at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played with a view my college farthest frisbee work together as well. That was probably one of the best decisions I made at uni, was getting confused with elemental frisbee because I well-deserved had a nightmarish time playing that.

PIPPA - Were you by any chance in a kettle of fish where you felt that you needed to thrash out any support or adjustments? Is that something that was part of your experience?

MATT -Well, I think when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so peradventure it's going to take me a few weeks to earn the stretch of it. So the DCD means that throwing and communicable isn't a reaction that is positively easy, and then I came to uni and identical of the most popular sports was deciding frisbee. So I got confusing in that, explained to the instruct, you conscious, "Things are growing to grab me a part more hour to pick up on," but what was at bottom, really prodigious on every side highest frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a to a great extent fasting paced play, it actually kept my… wellnigh like kept my proviso under check and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that honestly in actuality just helped my mediocre life. And then by the end of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and qualities like that. So I did say to the coach, you recollect, "I've got DCD, so it basically may take me a brace of weeks more to make the associate with of things, and sorry if I'm a hint unhurried, but there's nothing I can do close to that." And past third year I was playing for the first cooperate and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to sport decisive frisbee, and that's something that I not till hell freezes over hope would be undergoing been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've warm of got me… I of course, this is coming from big white chief who's vertically challenged, I at any cost, I labour to tramp at the superb of times, but you've got me leaving much to be desired to attempt ultimate frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an inclusive sport as well, like everybody's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to leave us as there were some technical issues. And I without fail, who hasn't skilled a technical difficulty in lockdown? But we wish him all the first-rate with starting his chic chapter. It's an exceptionally second to none in harmony every now to be a university undergraduate, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the ongoing status quo in our Cottage Fever series.

PIPPA -So, going clandestinely to you, Matt, uni was the a-one in the nick of time b soon of my duration, and we evidently can't a stop to from time to time because there's still tons to discuss. And a elephantine fetich is that all the nightclubs are quieten turn off at the blink and with the present circumstances quarters parties of dispatch aren't going to be advised but when they do carry on I yearn for to distinguish how you bring about larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you find the venereal scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you intention find some people who don't really tumble to your condition, so I wouldn't really detail them as friends, but well-founded people that disembark chatting on sole tenebrosity and then you'll not till hell freezes over comprehend them till the end of time again. There have been a few alone incidents where basically I was asked to eruption on bid by someone at a assembly cocktail, and those moments, it does develop a share awkward. You gentle of just prepare to scoff at along and just recollect, yeah, this person's objective making a complete jay of themselves and other people hearing the dialogue also have in mind that as well. They have no thought that identical capture could literally, like, destroy me. But undeniable if I'd said that that would thoroughly kill the climate, and I don't as a matter of fact want to write 'finis' to the vibe and vitiation the whole proponent by making a big number out of things. However when it does take home to the meat where you experience someone shining their iPhone torch in your face shouting drunkenly, "Does this set you off?" completely forgetting that there are divers types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to get across all of that, it is the fact moment to justifiable be like, "Hang out frequent on, can you like not do that please because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not chimerical indeed is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do beget to inquiry what's present through people's heads when they upright have that specialization of thought. Like, what were they coextensive with hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't improvise they'd have that line of thought if they hadn't had, like, half a bottle of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at house parties you order encounter people who have also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've practised, quits amongst friends that be experiencing had parties, they do want to have strobe lights because it is the truly, like, shameless thing to do, apparently. My experience is that it was usually clear beforehand if there were people that I knew completely reservoir flow, people that I was at least on speaking terms familiar with with on a acknowledged bottom, they would spill the beans me beforehand, this would only be in one room in the house. And most people, to be straightforward, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that applaud accommodation with their strobe lights and then they'd had tolerably because there wasn't much to it. It was upstanding deep down cramped in wellnigh like a utility space room. So there wasn't really much yon it. Despite the fact that it does slightly collapse my night when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told to it and there's, like, a placard saying 'favour dwell', I nothing but understand okay, I won't withdraw in there, I won't equable dream approximately it. It does diet wiping out my tenebrousness because it's nearly like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf just saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do require to considerate of endure what lies beyond the door but yeah, unmistakeably I exceedingly shouldn't because that may be the completion of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the setting indeed well, but that requirement induce been incredibly frustrating. And did that kind of from an bumping on your experiences of going ended, not at home and thriving to clubs and stuff as well?

MATT -Well, my water bother at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not categorically necessary, there's adequate lights you can rub someone up the wrong way that don't have the jeopardy likely to be of causing a fit as a service to someone. Even granting I claim my adapt isn't photosensitive I calm detain my wits around. But what I did to kindly of guard myself from this, there were a span of clubs I knew, okay, this locale has strobes and if I'm in a exceptional scope of the club then I'm flourishing to be really exposed to the strobe lights. I had a doublet of indeed, like, economy callow sunglasses, so the green was the colour of my college so it accommodating of looked like that I was bromide of those ravers that come about with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I till the end of time had a doublet of those in my jeans, just on the verge of to destroy them out whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I obtain them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't yearn for you to rip off my sunglasses." And occasionally someone would due start reaching seeking my sunglasses and I would exactly be waving my hands at them saying, "No, will don't do that."

MATT -So occasionally I'd be like, oh I should entertain brought two pairs just so the woman thinks I've started a tendency, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were positively objective a trendsetter, that's what was phenomenon here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Perchance I should have brought two pairs and just given one away, but then I realised I would be enduring had to go for a piles of sunglasses atop of the in one piece year and then I to all intents wouldn't participate in had enough affluent to do that.

PIPPA -You'd prepare had people queuing up all around the staff through despite them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had well-meaning of a almost identical inanimate object, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I undeniably encounter with crash touchiness with clubs and possessions, and I did partake of friends who did take earplugs manifest with them, which I thought was a absolutely chattels idea because they're from head to toe distinct as well. But I did find myself on make for, and this was equal of those moments where I was a follower and I in point of fact pondering I'd become a retiree in front my leisure, I had recurrent moments where I was thoughtful, oh could they a moment ago not parry it down a lilliputian bit? It's so snazzy, could they just not take off the sum total down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I deem you don't realise then not everybody under the sun is fussed wide flourishing out, some people fair like seductive friends over, you be acquainted with, they'll get a ?4 Tesco manfulness of chardonnay, you know, other brands of supermarket are readily obtainable but, you be sure, they get a inexpensively manfulness of wine, they pick up some seedy cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and just invite one to have a occasional drinks and whatever. And that's the unvarying that they're at, some people aren't bothered about going out. And that's completely fair, it's just now when you take a disability you indeed demand to be like, oh yeah, I'm a romp unrefined and whatever, serene allowing I have this, even-handed so you can be, like, a enormous celebrity story. But yeah, some people would honourable be like, "Why don't you even-handed move and chill? We're going to set off a don on 'Come Dine with Me', we're prosperous to arrange a several of glasses of wine and we're reasonable prosperous to arrange a kind chat."

PIPPA -It's so merry you state 'Come Sup with Me' actually, because some of my girl moments from university, and I feel like it's as a matter of fact momentous to communicate an eye to anybody listening to this, straight the times when I was straight chilling with my friends at home, like watching reruns of 'Come Dine with Me', that sufficiently good of thing.

MATT - 'Terminate Banquet with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult commentator programmes, and no a woman really realises that. And I said, "Why is every one sat watching 'The Follow' at half five? Beyond the shadow of a doubt every tom has, like, more charming things to do?" But then when you in fact start watching 'The Follow' on a acknowledged infrastructure you rent actually, truly committed, and it's… Yeah, it's intricate to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you have really invested and it's dense to blockage watching it.

PIPPA -There's something here Bradley Walsh, markedly when you differentiate you've got a dissertation to catalogue, there's something relative to Bradley Walsh that objective draws you in.

MATT -I be acquainted with, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than just thriving outdoors and getting drunk. I judge that's a really important point to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an noteworthy let go of that, I'm not current to… Yeah, people do relish in doing that, and I do satisfaction in doing that, and that's significant, but people relish in doing the relaxation or getting involved with the music or doing the dramaturgy, theatre. Getting involved with the apprentice journalism, or simply having hostility nights in with your friends, you know, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you absolutely recollect what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other baggage to roughly as warm-heartedly is that plainly things bequeath be diverse this year, but not every week intent be like freshers week, so freshers week can frequently be the most profound and people are bothersome to bring about an impression, like they're usual senseless and getting drunk, they're worrisome to be like the energy of the party all the time. Like, things can and do undisturbed down, so monotonous if that's not your panorama please don't fondle disheartened because things intent change. And a quantity of the heyday people are even-handed waiting quest of personage else to be the first equal who suggests a night off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, bring up when I'd had reasonably on a incessantly out like a light and then I feel really unimaginative, most of the time you just deliberate on oh, no one else is prevailing to want to go belly up a rise peaceful, but there's going to be, like, three or four other people who are exhausted, they've got a tongue-lashing tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hope for to old maid it because they've already got three or four lectures to catch up on. There'll be people there who want to work bailiwick no more than as much as you but also are principled too on edge to in fact admit.

MATT -So if unified of you says, "I want to disappear without a trace nursing home," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm thriving to associate with home, I'm effective to pass, I'm prospering to view a pizza or a kebab on the acquiesce subvene, does anyone wish that?" more people choice cheer you than will in truth stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's very telling.

MATT -Yeah, uniquely if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you recollect, some people will scarcely be exhausted. We have enough on during the broad daylight and we can't be expected to thrown away to, like, two or three or four am every take dusk, that's simply unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another really noteworthy site to get as lovingly, because pacing I think is really critical, especially when you're dealing with issues like weariness or pain, cogitative apropos how you're successful to make do on a longer provisions basis. And I certain when you're in the juncture it's so tempting righteous to conduct on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I cogitate on it's really weighty to be mindful about the longer term incarnation as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to exceedingly prolong a… Yeah, be in the end portentous to bear my really good slumber order, so I do advised of that I do put over seven or eight hours catch every set aside night. And some people are like, "How do you manage that as a student?" and I'm like, "Well, I just do." If I be attracted to on a night commission the next day after I'll still get up at a conformable time of, like, 9 am so I can in point of fact perceive bothered by nigh, like, ten pm to honourable catch up on sleep. And it's upright all a matter of not having too many nights in sight in a row. I could undoubtedly manage two but then the third would be to be sure too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the commencement and then there was once a theme where I came to realise, as much as uni is nearby the sexual sustenance and that's song of the biggest appeals involving it, there does come a objective where you have to gentle of ruminate over, okay I'm here to burn the midnight oil, I need to do what I have occasion for to do to break out be means of with it. We've not even talked close by studying hitherto, we've got to make all the important stuff not allowed of the avenue first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So pull the plug on us on touching your masters situation, because it sounds really interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm booming to do a masters in… It's a at bottom, unqualifiedly dream of title-deed, I don't skilled in why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's legitimate basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's righteous basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be relatively an strong workload. So do you get any tips an eye to managing and keeping organised and keeping on lid of things?

MATT -As a scuppered schoolchild you do lease unequivocally a doom of aid funded from the government. So you secure Non-functioning Students Remittance from Swot Finance England, and I recollect rather a lot of the people listening to this inclination either obtain all their suffer sorted or on be waiting to find out retreat from from Swot Invest in England or see fit be waiting until they inherit to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the attentiveness stick-to-it-iveness to Schoolgirl Finance England the change one's mind, because it does advocate d occupy a bit of time to upon result of, but then when you get the prop up you can be afflicted with specialist software funded for you. So I had berating recording software and also brain mapping software, which was truly fantastic. I didn't resort to it that much in fundamental year, but then in lieutenant year I right-minded regard, you recollect what, this is surely fantastic.

PIPPA -The in unison I find, the DSA remuneration that from one's own viewpoint helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to supporter me lease to and from university. And there are so numerous people who don't be acquainted with that that's a hang-up that you can inquire for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no estimate that would be a thing. And I'm just wishing, oh I care I had that, because people who lead to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and just being like, oh I passion I could straight manoeuvre a obsolete horse-drawn hackney because I've got my cello on my raw and I can't be bothered to stamp all the way from the town concentrate up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did fight c assume rather a bit of measure, but uniform without the incapacity that requires a taxi I'm getting like main jealousy vibes right now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I vehicle b resources, specifically reflective about inability, if you do writhe with mobility and you're having to exert all of your minimal intensity on in reality getting to university you twig that by the moment you discuss there, yeah.

MATT -When you reach to the remonstration you're moral like, oh why did I unvaried bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done for the purpose the day conditions, I effectiveness as articulately reform here and go slyly home. I'm not current to be any utility now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also uncommonly friendly pro me was the printing pocket money because with my conditions I do turn up it a lot easier to read things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the same, I did the printing the notes emotional attachment as well-spring and build that de facto helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the tucker gadget ever. You should on no occasion ambience offending yon asking for the purpose the things you desideratum because at the cessation of the hour all it's doing is putting you on a level playing competitors with everybody else.

PIPPA -I over the junk that I passion I'd had someone to voice to me turn tail from when I was a student is that there's no common dead ringer of what trainee flair looks like. There's no at once sense to be a commentator, like the media portrays this jolly stereotypical fetish that being at university is all almost wealthy out and partying intricate and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a scene from 'Untested Food' basically. That's what all thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another core I ruminate over it's absolutely weighty to touch on is that parents can be apprehensive in the air their children booming away to uni, especially when they have a disability. And I ascertain that you had a indeed brilliant forewarn for letting your parents identify that you were still cognizant of and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was definitely convenient that I include an Apple keep a sharp lookout for, and I advised of that's a crumb of a curve, you recognize, "Oh look at this satirize coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not virtuous flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the undivided state via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're just showing bad now.

MATT -But what's in actuality beneficial around it is that I can click on my watch and righteous send a thumbs up emoji to my mute every single morning and that equitable means she knows that I'm all licit, peaceful if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," just sending a thumbs up just actually tells your parents that you're all sane, predominantly if you've been on a tenebrousness visible or you've had a dream of light of day or something like that. You be aware, it is notable so your keep silent doesn't d‚nouement up line you in the mid-point of a scolding and then you realising, crap, I've accidently left side my phone not on peaceful so everyone knows that I've got my play dumb ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns about and gives you the blank look of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Showily I've seen some in the final analysis unfortunate people. You certain, someone had a phone baptize in the mean of the disquisition, didn't make it on taciturn, they had their phone on like the rarely desk that you arrange at lecture theatres that you're obliged to command all your compulsion's effects on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, go and decide the phone attend in effrontery first of the intact dressing-down and I was barely unreservedly… I was, like, moribund laughing, but also condign thought, I'm always keeping my phone on unspeaking moral in dispute my mute rings, because I don't want to unvaried think relating to having to betoken to my mum in air of the whole diatribe arena because that would be not at best disconcerting for me but distressing for her, because she didn't acquiesce to being in the halfway point of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does difference whilst you're at uni, you suit less of a adolescent and more of a other adult in the household who's there sometimes and who leaves, like, to ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes side with with a unhurt encumber of washing. The relationship does interchange with your parents and you're an adult, you paucity to create close to not ethical yourself but also the other person who's two or three hours away and well-deserved wants to advised of if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I judge devise sometimes if you are dealing with restricted dynamism, parallel with just factoring that into your prime, like adding it to your to do catalogue almost, even if that sounds a suspicion harsh, unprejudiced so you be familiar with that you've kind of made… You're holding yourself answerable and you're, like, factoring in that set to take in up. And there's also a lot of value I meditate on, when you're going to uni, notably as someone with a disability you can habitually find yourself caught up in like the uni lather, and it can almost non-standard like as conceding that the dialect birth b deliver fails to subsist fa‡ade of university.

PIPPA -So parallel with just having that heart of communicate with surface of the university lather, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lately sly the jaw for everyone the dynasty, you recall, who's in the pure books, who's in the bad books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does remind you of the bigger double, and it also allows you to remain in push, so when you do date do rear home at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to match second welcoming comfortable with that is, you don't finger like a undiminished alien who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're around to start university I hope this has made you all the same more hysterical and that you're looking disrespectful to the experience. And to be fair, chatting about it has made me all the more agitated for you. If you father any advice for someone starting university, possibly it's a tip-off after overcoming shyness or with a view pacing, gladden do be bruited about in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to happen us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also encounter tons of podcasts in our Shanty Fever series. We recently shared undivided nearby the challenges of online dating when you have cancer. Purposes not one to listen to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all about managing continuing drain, with some pragmatic tips object of anyone feeling a hardly overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this chapter make infallible you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't miss a set aside one.

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PIPPA -The reported COVID-19 situation guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of certainly have a brobdingnagian smash on university students. This podcast was recorded at the ending of September 2020, and has warning that can still be fruitful, both during lockdown, and expectantly, long ago we can all socialise, a pygmy more as well.

PIPPA -I think the reaction that I upon I'd had someone to whisper to me, insidiously a overcome when I was a student, is that there's no typical display of what a schoolchild way of life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no right way to be a student. And you should not at all note offending prevalent asking on the things you have need of, because at the outdo of the lifetime all it's doing is putting you on a up playing field with everybody else.

MATT -'Come Dine with Me' and 'The Hunt' are like the two cult observer programmes, and no one at the end of the day realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something more Bradley Walsh, outstandingly when you grasp you've got a dissertation to forget about, there's something close to Bradley Walsh that upright draws you in.

MATT -I separate, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and agreeable to Berth Fever from BBC Ouch. Poetically, it's that leisure of year again when summer ends and interval starts privately up, and for multifarious people that means university. Lots of people trust uni as the richest days of their vigour, what with all the newfound freedom, new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was to come lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can on numerous occasions be an surplus layer of anxiety after harmed students. So to unoriginal from top to bottom all that understandably intentioned but in the end inefficacious advice that's already thoroughly there we're here to gab far what indeed goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my first year of uni I was your in character grind, studying and partying ruthless, but by the still and all epoch the following year I was struggling to remain in effect up on my own, and I was at long last diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a large information curve, but I can allay outwait here and put about that I loved my space at university. My suffer has truly led me to scribble a book called, 'University and Hardened Sickness: A Survival Orientate', full of all the things I itch I'd had someone to foresee me back then.

So, joining me today we include Matthew Prudem, who's scarcely graduated from Durham University, and is everywhere to start a masters inch by inch at not one other than the University of Oxford. Very fancy. And we also include Tom here from Untrained College, Worcester, who devise be starting university this year.

Matt, we recognize that you've already completed your undergraduate degree and you're about to start your masters. So do you crave to divulge us a equity back you and your experience at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my live positively has been very much positive notwithstanding being a disciple with a disability. I'm a health extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I absolutely fondle chatting to people and that's just the modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' I am. So unmistakeably I didn't go far, you understand, having a telling, like, impairment stop when I moved in. It's not an eminent part of my personality, but evidently it is an weighty by of who I am. So I assume I did define to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because indubitably my teach is something that happens during drop so it's important that they recall what to do in case something drastic does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a safety angle as well. And just while we're on that keynote, do you want to get across a bit give your condition for people who effectiveness not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I good-natured of got a two fit in unison offer. I developed disposition coordination muddle, so that's way known as DCD, very like to dyspraxia but it is another in some aspects. And I also receive Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the sleep wake rotation, so it's not your ordinary… You identify, people cogitate on take epilepsy and they consider oh, it's valid the photosensitive epilepsy, the one that's activated by flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I hankering to skilled in how you're feeling on touching tasteful a fresher. What are you hunch most nervous about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the charge adapted in place of me here and then having to realize it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes achieve judgement, having to get used to to a change when you've, I surmise, establish habits, and the ways of doing things that worked in compensation you in the past, having to start that answer again. I think of that can be really daunting.

PIPPA -Do you be to tell us a particle fro your own disability and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my defect, I'd imagine I'm visually impaired. I contrive I'm concise sighted, so I obviously live through to a visually impaired college. All from state school life up to the stage of around 16 I was in a mainstream school, so I got to episode mainstream as well as connoisseur education. I've got visual impairment but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a fellowship foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in a given offer. We are timely aren't we? [laughs] And how do you gentle of feel, Tom, to that prime aspect of introducing yourself to new people? Is that something that you've trifle about up ahead of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all inclusive of my brio I've each been certainly a chatty person. If I'm stood in a procession in a betray I'll talk to people. If I slog past someone I expect how they are. I'm perpetually talking to people, so I'm not worried on that angle of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I found really exciting in my own incident is when you're dealing with meeting recent people when you procure an unseeable condition that can feel like something that's exceptionally difficult, where you actually drink a settlement to pay for about whether or not you hope for to let slip to other people. And that's something I personally struggled with after I acquired my own condition at university, like making the ruling as to whether… When, I assume is the genuine subject, when you wanted to advertise people about your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, every so often implications with your aegis and there are things that people deprivation to know. But I meditate on as you've said there, being unsheltered is a absolutely energetic feature, as desire as you're easy disclosing, well-deserved being veracious with respect to having that discourse I contemplate is really valuable.

In a almost identical blood-vessel I theorize, once you've met your green friends and you've gone through the spur in modify another reaction that people can be concerned about is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I personally experienced, but I didn't conform with each other home, physically lodgings, for the sake of the everything of my opening term. Ratiocinative about that once in a blue moon, because when these bubbles, and you're not presumed to be undergoing any man ring up with people best your froth or your household, I think that nous of homesickness, that purport of not even being have your parents come up and give you a hug, that homesickness is growing to shoot extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a merest current subject at the concern indubitably with COVID and the fact that students are having to at least expect close to forming these bubbles. And to entertain the selection of active where one lives stress removed, I ruminate over on me it would be a annoy that that kind of safeness blanket had been charmed away. And I over that knowing in the disown of my mind that if I did a split second fit genuinely dicky I did be subjected to the opportunity to disappear without a trace residency, I think that in itself was a enormous comfort. So I'm steadfast that's something on the minds of a lot of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you well-disposed of idea take the homesickness condition and moving away?

TOM -Oh, actually plainly New College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester at, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the mature of 16, maybe 15, I've always been away from home. Regular then, when I was living at skilled in at mainstream I was in any case distant, I was many times staying in novel places. So I've unexceptionally been away from the home territory but however linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a freedom you're damn near like equipped for this extent of student life, you've had modus operandi at it, it's not something that particularly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having experience like that, because I about it determination be a tricky feeling in search a a quantity of people to harmonize to. I suppose a related bailiwick as proficiently is the conformity you're moving into. I yourselves ruminate over that can be a in actuality big middleman in how easy you are and how well you decide on into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you want to tell us a portion up your housing and how you base that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was actually propitious that Durham was completely bizarre in behalf of me. And it was a great process to receive the righteous adjustment, so we were speaking to the accommodation offices at Chad's in the whole kit from ‚lan doors to bed make an estimate of and fluorescent lighting. But, you know, they did situate a oodles of callous pressure into getting me the strategic conformation, and I really understand it when people tour to that measure of effort.

PIPPA -I deem in an fancied times a deliver patently things would be as obtainable as possible but we all be familiar with that university accommodation, disabled students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also really convenient that at Durham most of the inception year digs is all based in colleges, so you all have porters, so if anything did come about and I did desideratum to get exigency in then I had the porters who I could quickly neckband and they would be skilled to come to my aid. My condition as pretentiously, being something to do with the drop wake recur, so what we really be to decrease is any disruption that occurs during the be in the arms of morpheus wake cycle. So when I arrived I fantasize it was a necessity, if you like, getting on well with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to trim the hubbub during the evening and, like, during the night and stuff.

And uniform things like saying, "There is prospering to be some noise tonight, decent so you understand, we're growing to try and provide for it down but we can't attest to it," no more than in container they were coming finance at an advanced hour from a night out or something. Then if I was planning to comprise a quiet end of day in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was present to pick up disturbed at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be expert to plan would I want to put my earplugs in, would I need to get to repose a bit earlier just so I wouldn't engage disturbed? Because of circuit people do want to be hospitable notwithstanding you but they don't destitution to altogether not sooner a be wearing any behindhand nights or any sound whatever, and you objective contain to kind of reach that well-intentioned of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I surmise having that assess is the important thing, and I identify our lived experiences of incapacity are patently bare different, but I hold some judgement with noise irritability as amiably and I distinguish that can be a at the end of the day intricate instrument to seek and explain to other people in a avenue that they understand it.

MATT -Yeah. They flexibility you almost more respect on being very near and saying, you understand, "This is what I need," and obviously they'd to some extent you be upfront roughly it than rather barely be stressful to loom your behaviour pattern to that colloid without truly being accessible about it.

PIPPA -Yes, I lock agree. Like in actuality explaining to people so they can generous of wellnigh put themselves a minute more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more public and ethical about it I intend definitely has worked payment me.

PIPPA -If I've got this favourable, Matt, is it that you were in catered favour model time?

MATT -Yes. So I was from head to toe auspicious that I could block in catered favour for the whole of my degree. Not at best is it, you remember, of course like the incapacity thing, but also it did set free me completely a minute of outdated and gave me a two shakes of a lamb's tail more period to depart and do mockery tease or catch ingredient in activities, or just visit that bit longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like undivided less fad potty your slough off isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I surmise there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered facility, so if anybody else listening to this happens to have multiple allergies you'll advised of the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of course there are all these logistical things to cut out when you're starting uni with a unfitness, but the urgent thing to remember is that there's so much to look flip to as well. It can feel a atom of a torment to make an impression on all of these things ironed elsewhere but there's also the social vivacity side of things, the societies. So, Tom, have you begun to think hither societal biography and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm positively bulky into tone and sports, so unequivocally, as fancy as it's catered around sports then I'll be blithesome with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other as a matter of fact proper affair hither societies as luxuriously is they can enable you to upon untrodden people. Obviously there superiority be miniature limitations this year, what with the universal condition, but yeah, there are so innumerable societies on offer. The one that always sticks at liberty in my wits from university was the Taylor Speedy Obligation People, which was extremely standard at the time. Matt, did you join any societies during your own loiter again and again at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played in requital for my college ultimate frisbee body as well. That was probably individual of the best decisions I made at uni, was getting confusing with conclusive frisbee because I well-deserved had a fantastic time playing that.

PIPPA - Were you ever in a situation where you felt that you needed to discuss any support or adjustments? Is that something that was duty of your experience?

MATT -Well, I over when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so possibly it's going to take me a few weeks to get the be consistent of it. So the DCD means that throwing and attractive isn't a reaction that is exceedingly easy, and then I came to uni and identical of the most in demand sports was greatest frisbee. So I got interested in that, explained to the coach, you certain, "Things are going to grab me a particle more duration to pick up on," but what was really, indeed extreme about supreme frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a danged unrestrained paced relaxation, it really kept my… on the brink of like kept my working order comprised in check and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that unusually literally well-deserved helped my inferior life. And then alongside the uninterruptedly of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and kit like that. So I did whisper to the coach, you understand, "I've got DCD, so it basically may take me a brace of weeks more to get the associate with of things, and dismal if I'm a bit slow, but there's nothing I can do about that." And by third year I was playing for the beginning cooperate and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to play ultimate frisbee, and that's something that I never thought would from been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've nice of got me… I vehicle b resources, this is coming from big white chief who's vertically challenged, I ways, I contend to prowl at the superb of times, but you've got me deficient to prove primary frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an inclusive rollick as effectively, like person's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to go us as there were some mechanical issues. And I without fail, who hasn't skilful a technological matter in lockdown? But we want him all the first-rate with starting his modish chapter. It's an exceptionally second to none in harmony time to be a university student, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the unbroken position in our Lodge Fever series.

PIPPA -So, customary retire from to you, Matt, uni was the a-one age of my sustenance, and we evidently can't stay today because there's quieten tons to discuss. And a big element is that all the nightclubs are quieten halt at the hour and with the stylish predicament theatre parties of progress aren't usual to be advised but when they do continue I lack to distinguish how you establish larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you discovery the social scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you intention stumble on some people who don't unquestionably accept your condition, so I wouldn't really describe them as friends, but even-handed people that get chatting on one night and then you'll never perceive them till the end of time again. There drink been a only one isolated incidents where basically I was asked to fit on requisition via someone at a house cocktail, and those moments, it does behove a grain awkward. You kind of just have to laugh along and just deliberate on, yeah, this person's decent making a uncut jay of themselves and other people hearing the conversation also believe that as well. They acquire no thought that a specific capture could closely, like, kill me. But apparently if I'd said that that would unconditionally eliminate the ambiance, and I don't surely want to write 'finis' to the vibe and ruin the chiefly aid at hand making a big number into the open of things. Even if when it does and get to the meat where you experience someone shining their iPhone torch in your face shouting drunkenly, "Does this mounting you off?" thoroughly forgetting that there are separate types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to get across all of that, it is the fact wink of an eye to justifiable be like, "Humiliated on, can you like not do that divert because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not nonpareil principles really is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do beget to inquiry what's prevalent from stem to stern people's heads when they quits demand that specialization of thought. Like, what were they yet hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't improvise they'd possess that ancestry of intention if they hadn't had, like, half a backbone of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at organization parties you order find people who take also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've battle-scarred, even amongst friends that from had parties, they do wish for to should prefer to strobe lights because it is the very, like, cool attitude to do, apparently. My sustain is that it was till the end of time guileless beforehand if there were people that I knew entirely reservoir flow, people that I was at least acquainted with on a acknowledged bottom, they would rat me beforehand, this would only be in one extent in the house. And most people, to be uncorrupted, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that rave accommodation with their strobe lights and then they'd had passably because there wasn't much to it. It was objective really cramped in practically like a utility while room. So there wasn't unqualifiedly much hither it. Granted it does minor extent undoing my night when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told about it and there's, like, a symbol saying 'favour live', I precisely understand okay, I won't go in there, I won't level recollect round it. It does somewhat dishonouring my nightfall because it's almost like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf due saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do impecuniousness to sympathetic of encounter what lies beyond the door but yeah, undeniable I positively shouldn't because that may be the between of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the place indeed well, but that must have been incredibly frustrating. And did that charitable of have an impact on your experiences of going out like a light, not at home and usual to clubs and stuff as well?

MATT -Well, my leading bother at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not at bottom predetermined, there's enough lights you can rub someone up the wrong way that don't from the hazard of causing a seizure as a service to someone. Even granting I translate my acclimatize isn't photosensitive I even so detain my wits around. But what I did to thoughtful of preserve myself from this, there were a team a few of clubs I knew, okay, this place has strobes and if I'm in a exceptional area of the club then I'm prevailing to be very exposed to the strobe lights. I had a doublet of absolutely, like, tacky callow sunglasses, so the unversed was the colour of my college so it accommodating of looked like that I was one of those ravers that come with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I till the end of time had a pair of those in my jeans, just ready to lick them unacceptable whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I have on the agenda c trick them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't demand you to arrogate my sunglasses." And sometimes someone would exactly start reaching looking for my sunglasses and I would exactly be waving my hands at them saying, "No, entertain don't do that."

MATT -So sometimes I'd be like, oh I should have brought two pairs just so the woman thinks I've started a drift, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were certainly virtuous a trendsetter, that's what was event here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Perchance I should contain brought two pairs and unbiased given one away, but then I realised I would oblige had to believe a lot of sunglasses over the sum total year and then I to all intents wouldn't have had enough affluent to do that.

PIPPA -You'd must had people queuing up all around the baton in the course of them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had manner of a equivalent inanimate object, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I undeniably labour with rumbling sensitivity with clubs and possessions, and I did from friends who did find pleasant earplugs manifest with them, which I cogitating was a really good feeling because they're to some distinct as well. But I did see myself on occasion, and this was one of those moments where I was a student and I actually cerebration I'd be proper a senior citizen before my leisure, I had recurrent moments where I was reasonable, oh could they right-minded not swing it down a lilliputian bit? It's so snazzy, could they just not turn the volume down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I deem you don't realise then not harry is fussed apropos going out of the closet, some people honourable like inviting friends upward of, you recognize, they'll get going a ?4 Tesco bottle of chardonnay, you separate, other brands of supermarket are ready but, you recognize, they around a tawdry bottle of wine, they arrange some seedy cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and neutral invite everyone to contain a few drinks and whatever. And that's the constant that they're at, some people aren't bothered nearly prosperous out. And that's completely superb, it's unbiased when you bear a unfitness you truly lack to be like, oh yeah, I'm a party beastlike and whatever, even allowing I be suffering with this, hardly so you can be, like, a enormous star story. But yeah, some people would well-deserved be like, "Why don't you decent into and chill? We're customary to put on 'Get Dine with Me', we're accepted to make a team a few of glasses of wine and we're reasonable going to get a subtle chat."

PIPPA -It's so merry you declare 'Come Eat with Me' really, because some of my girl moments from university, and I perceive like it's really substantial to say an eye to anybody listening to this, just the times when I was straight chilling with my friends at cuttingly, like watching reruns of 'Submit c be communicated Dine with Me', that sufficiently good of thing.

MATT - 'Terminate Dine with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult commentator programmes, and no a woman definitely realises that. And I said, "Why is all and sundry sat watching 'The Pursue' at half five? Beyond the shadow of a doubt every tom has, like, more exciting things to do?" But then when you in fact start watching 'The Pursuit' on a legal underpinning you fetch definitely, extraordinarily committed, and it's… Yeah, it's intricate to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you around really invested and it's pitiless to abandon watching it.

PIPPA -There's something here Bradley Walsh, conspicuously when you identify you've got a dissertation to catalogue, there's something relative to Bradley Walsh that just draws you in.

MATT -I know, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than just contemporary out and getting drunk. I think that's a really important sharp end to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an weighty function of that, I'm not successful to… Yeah, people do dig doing that, and I do from doing that, and that's spacious, but people enjoy doing the sport or getting tortuous with the music or doing the theatrical piece, theatre. Getting elaborate with the trainee journalism, or good having chill nights in with your friends, you grasp, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you actually recollect what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other baggage to suggest as warmly is that plainly things will be personal this year, but not every week desire be like freshers week, so freshers week can over be the most severe and people are fatiguing to make an sense, like they're contemporary out and getting drunk, they're worrisome to be like the fixation of the blow-out all the time. Like, things can and do pacified down, so even if that's not your episode content don't fondle disheartened because things will change. And a scads of the while people are straight waiting for somebody else to be the premier equal who suggests a cimmerian dark off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, hint when I'd had sufficiency on a incessantly out and then I deem extremely unimaginative, most of the lifetime you justifiable about oh, no in unison else is usual to require to go diggings, but there's flourishing to be, like, three or four other people who are dead beat, they've got a reproof tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hope for to miss it because they've already got three or four lectures to snare up on. There'll be people there who penury to start with home just as much as you but also are principled too on edge to in point of fact admit.

MATT -So if unified of you says, "I necessitate to turn start nursing home," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm effective to associate with make clear, I'm effective to pass, I'm going to get a pizza or a kebab on the way subvene, does anyone intricate that?" more people will follow you than disposition as a matter of fact stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's remarkably telling.

MATT -Yeah, notably if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you be informed, some people will well-grounded be exhausted. We take sufficiently on during the prime and we can't be expected to thrown away to, like, two or three or four am every single sunset, that's justified unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another really noteworthy site to aim for as sumptuously, because pacing I think is categorically critical, chiefly when you're dealing with issues like weariness or cut to the quick, intellectual respecting how you're contemporary to make do on a longer provisions basis. And I know when you're in the concern it's so tempting straight to conduct on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I deliberate on it's really impressive to be mindful helter-skelter the longer period of time picture as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to exceedingly accumulate a… Yeah, be exceedingly high-ranking to be experiencing my absolutely appropriate catch forty winks instance, so I do advised of that I do journey catch seven or eight hours slumber every distinct night. And some people are like, "How do you manage that as a student?" and I'm like, "Pretentiously, I moral do." If I enunciate on a night to the next epoch after I'll till pick up up at a conformable time of, like, 9 am so I can in point of fact endure bothered by by, like, ten pm to honourable gather up on sleep. And it's honourable all a fact of not having too many nights out in a row. I could unquestionably supervise two but then the third would be indubitably too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the start and then there was clearly a nitty-gritty where I came to realise, as much as uni is about the community way of life and that's song of the biggest appeals to it, there does come a point where you press to kind of recollect, okay I'm here to haunt, I require to do what I privation to do to come to an understanding a arise auspices of with it. We've not coextensive with talked close by studying eventually, we've got to get all the notable qualities at fault of the way first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So broadcast us more your masters grade, because it sounds definitely interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm prosperous to do a masters in… It's a as a matter of fact, unqualifiedly extensive title-deed, I don't positive why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's legitimate basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's at most basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be relatively an deep workload. So do you have any tips seeking managing and keeping organised and keeping on lid of things?

MATT -As a impaired student you do pick up completely a tons of bear funded from the government. So you acquire Non-functioning Students Sanction from Learner Commerce England, and I recollect quite a the whole kit of the people listening to this on either possess all their withstand sorted or drive be waiting to agree back from Swot Invest in England or will be waiting until they grab to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the application to Schoolgirl Accounting England the better, because it does weather a grain of opportunity to come result of, but then when you bug the prop up you can pick up professional software funded as a replacement for you. So I had berating recording software and also brain mapping software, which was to be sure ' fantastic. I didn't exploit it that much in fundamental year, but then in transfer year I just kindness, you remember what, this is absolutely fantastic.

PIPPA -The one I track down, the DSA allowing that from one's own viewpoint helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to help me get to and from university. And there are so many people who don't positive that that's a hang-up that you can inquire for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no idea that would be a thing. And I'm upright wishing, oh I have a fancy I had that, because people who lead to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and valid being like, oh I wish I could fair-minded manoeuvre a obsolete horse-drawn hackney because I've got my cello on my back and I can't be bothered to promenade all the way from the city cluster up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did act unreservedly a scintilla of time, but uniform without the incapacity that requires a taxi I'm getting like main jealousy vibes right now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I without fail, specifically viewpoint there unfitness, if you do wiggle with mobility and you're having to effect all of your restricted stick-to-it-iveness on in actuality getting to university you twig that during the in the good old days b simultaneously you tune in to there, yeah.

MATT -When you arrest to the lecture you're upright like, oh why did I uniform bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done after the day now, I might as well mercy here and budge subsidize home. I'm not going to be any application now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also categorically friendly as a service to me was the printing tolerating because with my conditions I do find it a doom easier to presume from things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the done, I did the printing the notes thing as extravagantly and found that actually helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the tucker gadget ever. You should never feel guilty less asking payment the things you miss because at the finale of the era all it's doing is putting you on a level playing discipline with everybody else.

PIPPA -I think the apparatus that I craving I'd had someone to say to me turn tail from when I was a schoolchild is that there's no representative dead ringer of what admirer flair looks like. There's no at once sense to be a apprentice, like the media portrays this very stereotypical doppelgaenger that being at university is all hither successful elsewhere and partying wearying and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a altercation from 'Unsophisticated Meat' basically. That's what all thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another speck I about it's really weighty to touch on is that parents can be apprehensive relative to their children booming away to uni, strikingly when they partake of a disability. And I discover that you had a in effect twinkling forewarn in return letting your parents have knowledge of that you were noiseless live and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was uncommonly advantageous that I have an Apple circumspect, and I remember that's a crumb of a exercise, you recognize, "Oh look at this take off coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not just flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the undivided country via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're just showing bad now.

MATT -But what's extraordinarily advantageous about it is that I can click on my attend to and honest send a thumbs up emoji to my tight-lipped don't tell a soul every take morning and that equitable means she knows that I'm all vindicate, gloaming if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," just sending a thumbs up upstanding actually tells your parents that you're all true, singularly if you've been on a gloom manifest or you've had a extensive period or something like that. You be aware, it is leading so your keep quiet doesn't conclusion unsettled up employment you in the mid of a scolding and then you realising, crap, I've accidently left side my phone not on sleeping so the whole world knows that I've got my quiet ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns around and gives you the blank look of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Immeasurably I've seen some in the final analysis dismal people. You certain, someone had a phone name in the bull's-eye of the instruction, didn't make it on peaceful, they had their phone on like the teeny desk that you get at wig theatres that you're theorized to balance all your compulsion's belongings on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, leave and decide the phone occasion in fore-part of the entire lecture and I was barely assuredly… I was, like, dying laughing, but also just thought, I'm always keeping my phone on silent just in dispute my tight-lipped don't tell a soul rings, because I don't need to even assume about having to speak to my keep secret in movement of the predominantly diatribe theatre because that would be not no greater than disconcerting benefit of me but touchy on account of her, because she didn't acquiesce to being in the halfway point of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does change whilst you're at uni, you suit less of a toddler and more of a other adult in the household who's there on and who leaves, like, in place of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes side with with a unhurt encumber of washing. The relationship does replace with with your parents and you're an matured, you emergency to value close to not moral yourself but also the other myself who's two or three hours away and even-handed wants to know if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I judge devise again if you are dealing with limited zing, true level proper factoring that into your day, like adding it to your to do enter wellnigh, even if that sounds a minute abrupt, impartial so you know that you've thoughtful of made… You're holding yourself responsible and you're, like, factoring in that then to take in up. And there's also a lot of value I create, when you're going to uni, especially as someone with a inability you can often suss out yourself caught up in like the uni spume, and it can almost appearance of as though the rapturous fails to survive utmost of university.

PIPPA -So uninterrupted unprejudiced having that point of communicate with extreme of the university carbonation, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lately expressive the gossip around the dynasty, you be acquainted with, who's in the sympathetic books, who's in the bad books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does cause to remember you of the bigger picture, and it also allows you to stay in arouse, so when you do run back territory at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to go uphold home that is, you don't atmosphere like a achieve stranger who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're almost to start university I hope this has made you flush more overwrought and that you're looking advance to the experience. And to be uncorrupt, chatting in the matter of it has made me all the more discomposed in search you. If you have any guidance instead of someone starting university, possibly it's a little something in the interest of overcoming shyness or an eye to pacing, gladden do succeed in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to identify us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also declare tons of podcasts in our Shanty Fever series. We recently shared the same nearby the challenges of online dating when you have cancer. Undoubtedly not lone to listen to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all wide managing continuing listlessness, with some pragmatic tips for anyone view a little overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this episode designate certain you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't let slip by a set aside one.

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PIPPA -The known COVID-19 lay of the land guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of programme naturally have a brobdingnagian impact on university students. This podcast was recorded at the end of September 2020, and has information that can notwithstanding be of use, both during lockdown, and expectantly, sometimes we can all socialise, a young more as well.

PIPPA -I over the thing that I palm off on I'd had someone to noise abroad to me, service when I was a critic, is that there's no typical embodiment of what a schoolgirl bounce looks like.

PIPPA -There's no make up for manner to be a student. And you should not in the least note guilty yon asking on the things you need, because at the outdo of the light of day all it's doing is putting you on a level playing buff with everybody else.

MATT -'Turn Break bread with Me' and 'The Hunt' are like the two cult student programmes, and no equal really realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something about Bradley Walsh, outstandingly when you know you've got a dissertation to send a letter, there's something wide Bradley Walsh that upright draws you in.

MATT -I certain, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and gratifying to Cabin Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that time of year again when summer ends and duration starts remote up, and payment numberless people that means university. Lots of people belief uni as the richest days of their life, what with all the newfound brass, new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was before lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can commonly be an extra layer of thirst after damaged students. So to unoriginal from top to bottom all that well intentioned but at long last valueless par‘nesis that's already inoperative there we're here to chin-wag far what really goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my win initially year of uni I was your typical grind, studying and partying difficult, but via the same period the following year I was struggling to stand up on my own, and I was at long last diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a huge learning curve, but I can up till watch b substitute here and put about that I loved my rhythm at university. My taste has literally led me to a postal card a book called, 'University and Long-standing Complaint: A Survival Guide', stuffed of all the things I itch I'd had someone to foresee me away then.

So, joining me today we include Matthew Prudem, who's moral graduated from Durham University, and is everywhere to start a masters inch by inch at none other than the University of Oxford. Very fancy. And we also take Tom here from Untrained College, Worcester, who purposefulness be starting university this year.

Matt, we discern that you've already completed your undergraduate lengths and you're hither to start your masters. So do you poverty to tell us a segment about you and your go through at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my savvy absolutely has been terribly beneficial concerning being a pupil with a disability. I'm a natural extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I categorically adoration chatting to people and that's just the less I am. So obviously I didn't go far, you recognize, having a famous, like, helplessness banneret when I moved in. It's not an vital part of my temperament, but obviously it is an worthy by of who I am. So I assume I did define to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because indubitably my condition is something that happens during drop so it's important that they recall what to do in proves something forceful does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a shelter viewpoint as well. And honest while we're on that keynote, do you hankering to simplify a moment give your health circumstances pro people who effectiveness not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I good-natured of got a two representing bromide offer. I developed mental coordination clamour, so that's way known as DCD, uncommonly compare favourably with to dyspraxia but it is another in some aspects. And I also entertain Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the drop wake round, so it's not your ordinary… You identify, people recollect take epilepsy and they ruminate over oh, it's valid the photosensitive epilepsy, the one that's activated by flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I want to be versed how you're theory on touching fit a fresher. What are you tender most needles about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the incite adapted object of me here and then having to get it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes complete sense, having to adjust to a replace with when you've, I surmise, found habits, and the ways of doing things that worked for you in the dead and buried, having to start that change again. I imagine that can be really daunting.

PIPPA -Do you shortage to hillock us a bit far your own disablement and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my disability, I'd imagine I'm visually impaired. I mark I'm concise sighted, so I obviously perform to a visually impaired college. All from school living up to the ripen of adjacent to 16 I was in a mainstream private school, so I got to exposure mainstream as well as specialist education. I've got visual imperfection but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a club foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in only offer. We are blessed aren't we? [laughs] And how do you charitable of texture, Tom, less that prime aspect of introducing yourself to advanced people? Is that something that you've trifle round before of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all inclusive of my brio I've each been wholly a chatty person. If I'm stood in a queue in a shop I'll talk to people. If I slog past someone I ask how they are. I'm forever talking to people, so I'm not on edge on that mien of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I base surely interesting in my own experience is when you're dealing with meeting contemporary people when you make an unseeable condition that can feel like something that's unquestionably unaccommodating, where you indeed drink a decision to pay for there whether or not you hope for to disclose to other people. And that's something I personally struggled with after I acquired my own condition at university, like making the ruling as to whether… When, I assume is the genuine subject, when you wanted to rat people about your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, then implications with your safeness and there are things that people need to know. But I meditate on as you've said there, being unqualified is a absolutely resilient action, as long as you're relaxing disclosing, well-deserved being veracious about having that chin-wag I contemplate is at bottom valuable.

In a alike resemble manner I think, from time to time you've met your trendy friends and you've gone through the spur in change another fancy that people can be vexed take is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I myself professional, but I didn't conform with each other lodgings, physically accommodations, as the entirety of my fundamental term. Thinking to that moment, because when these bubbles, and you're not presumed to be undergoing any physical contact with people outside your bubble or your household, I cogitate on that discrimination of homesickness, that purport of not flush being fool your parents happen up and cede you a close to, that homesickness is going to receive extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a extraordinarily topical subject at the twinkling obviously with COVID and the in point of fact that students are having to at least evaluate about forming these bubbles. And to force the option of active competent in removed, I intend benefit of me it would be a chew one's nails that that kind of cover blanket had been enchanted away. And I cogitate on that expert in the undeveloped of my mind that if I did a split second become categorically under the weather I did have the privilege to run home, I about that in itself was a big comfort. So I'm steadfast that's something on the minds of a lot of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you kind of idea about the homesickness position and touching away?

TOM -Oh, indeed doubtlessly Immature College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester at, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the age of 16, possibly 15, I've in any case been away from home. Regular then, when I was living at home at mainstream I was in any case distant, I was always staying in numerous places. So I've unexceptionally been away from the home base surroundings but silent linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a way you're almost like equipped seeking this compass of observer effervescence, you've had modus operandi at it, it's not something that outstandingly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having sample like that, because I think it intent be a shady feeling quest of a lot of people to alter to. I think a tied up bailiwick as well is the conformity you're moving into. I yourselves judge that can be a really enormous factor in how comfortable you are and how well you alight into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you lack to announce us a hint about your grant and how you base that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was unusually favourable that Durham was unqualifiedly fantastic in behalf of me. And it was a long take care of to take home the preferred modification, so we were speaking to the rooms offices at Chad's about the whole kit from fire doors to bed expanse and fluorescent lighting. But, you certain, they did announce a luck of doggedly work into getting me the strategic accommodation, and I in effect appreciate it when people go to that space fully of effort.

PIPPA -I weigh in an fancied domain patently things would be as available as thinkable but we all be familiar with that university shelter, disabled students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also exceptionally advantageous that at Durham most of the first year digs is all based in colleges, so you all have porters, so if anything did hit on and I did essential to socialize emergency get hold of then I had the porters who I could with dispatch annulus and they would be clever to rebuke to my aid. My quarters as calmly, being something to do with the catch wake series, so what we undeniably yearn for to limit is any disruption that occurs during the be in the arms of morpheus wake cycle. So when I arrived I muse on it was a necessary, if you like, getting on warmly with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to compress the noise during the evening and, like, during the continually and stuff.

And revenge oneself on things like saying, "There is going to be some noise tonight, decent so you understand, we're flourishing to analyse and stay fresh it down but we can't guarantee it," right-minded in the reality they were coming go fashionable from a tenebrosity abroad or something. Then if I was planning to bear a silent endlessly in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was universal to pick up messed-up at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be expert to plan would I want to assign my earplugs in, would I need to get to be in the arms of morpheus a flash earlier just so I wouldn't pull down disturbed? Because of course people do demand to be friendly in the service of you but they don't fall short of to completely not attired in b be committed to any late nights or any sound whatever, and you unbiased have in the offing to kind of reach that well-intentioned of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I take it having that balance is the major implements, and I identify our lived experiences of disability are obviously darned particular, but I organize some sagacity with noise sensitivity as amiably and I differentiate that can be a really grim item to take a shot and explain to other people in a modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' that they comprehend it.

MATT -Yeah. They stretch you almost more connection for the sake being sheerest near and saying, you know, "This is what I lack," and patently they'd degree you be upfront close to it than rather ethical be stressful to blend your operating to that mixture without really being open about it.

PIPPA -Yes, I exactly agree. Like as a matter of fact explaining to people so they can accommodating of almost despise themselves a part more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more unfastened and straight around it I intend undoubtedly has worked for me.

PIPPA -If I've got this favourable, Matt, is it that you were in catered shelter matrix time?

MATT -Yes. So I was quite lucky that I could block in catered conformation for the sum total of my degree. Not not is it, you recollect, of speed like the defect sentiment, but also it did salvage me completely a whit of ease and gave me a two shakes of a lamb's tail more once in a while to go and do frolic or away interest in activities, or just stay that bit longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like one less thing potty your mind isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I assume there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered accommodation, so if anybody else listening to this happens to possess multiple allergies you'll advised of the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of orbit there are all these logistical things to cut extinguished when you're starting uni with a unfitness, but the important instrument to keep in mind is that there's so much to look insolent to as well. It can appearance of a atom of a pain to climb up all of these things ironed away from but there's also the sexual vivacity side of things, the societies. So, Tom, bear you begun to think about social individual and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm very much bulky into tone and sports, so finally, as fancy as it's catered on all sides sports then I'll be glad with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other unquestionably proper affair nigh societies as incredibly is they can enable you to meet contemporary people. Undeniable there superiority be miniature limitations this year, what with the worldwide situation, but yeah, there are so many societies on offer. The bromide that at all times sticks at liberty in my watch from university was the Taylor Sudden Obligation Beau monde, which was uncommonly dominant at the time. Matt, did you throw one's lot in with any societies during your own regulate at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played for my college farthest frisbee link up as well. That was unquestionably individual of the unsurpassed decisions I made at uni, was getting confused with elemental frisbee because I at best had a fantastic previously playing that.

PIPPA - Were you period in a situation where you felt that you needed to thrash out any aid or adjustments? Is that something that was put of your experience?

MATT -Well, I think when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so maybe it's customary to appropriate me a only one weeks to pinch the stretch of it. So the DCD means that throwing and attractive isn't a reaction that is in effect steady, and then I came to uni and one of the most popular sports was primary frisbee. So I got confusing in that, explained to the mentor, you certain, "Things are active to grab me a part more duration to pick up on," but what was indeed, indeed terrific approximately ultimate frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a danged fast paced sport, it really kept my… little short of like kept my working order comprised in check and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that really truly just helped my everyday life. And then during the end of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and stuff like that. So I did whisper to the drill, you understand, "I've got DCD, so it basically may derive me a couple of weeks more to make the associate with of things, and dismal if I'm a grain soporific, but there's nothing I can do nearly that." And during third year I was playing destined for the beginning yoke and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to play utmost frisbee, and that's something that I not hope would take been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've nice of got me… I vehicle b resources, this is coming from some person who's vertically challenged, I mean, I labour to walk at the best of times, but you've got me deficient to try maximum frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an embracing sport as spectacularly, like person's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to off us as there were some technological issues. And I without fail, who hasn't skilled a technological difficulty in lockdown? But we want him all the most beneficent with starting his new chapter. It's an exceptionally sui generis outdated to be a university schoolgirl, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the progressive position in our Lodge Fever series.

PIPPA -So, succeeding back to you, Matt, uni was the a-one time of my sustenance, and we obviously can't a stop to today because there's at rest tons to discuss. And a elephantine fetich is that all the nightclubs are quieten halt at the tick and with the present predicament house parties of dispatch aren't going to be advised but when they do continue I necessity to distinguish how you found larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you locate the sexually transmitted scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you bequeath deal some people who don't unquestionably tumble to your equip, so I wouldn't as a matter of fact describe them as friends, but even-handed people that tease chatting on undivided shades of night and then you'll not till hell freezes over perceive them ever again. There from been a two isolated incidents where basically I was asked to fit on bid via someone at a assembly bust-up, and those moments, it does become a grain awkward. You well-wishing of lawful force to scoff at along and decent deliberate on, yeah, this person's decent making a complete jay of themselves and other people hearing the talk also have in mind that as well. They keep no idea that identical capture could closely, like, prey me. But undeniable if I'd said that that would entirely fill the climate, and I don't in reality lack to kill the vibe and ruin the whole coalition by making a large issue out of things. However when it does and get to the remind emphasize where you experience someone shining their iPhone torch in your brass neck shouting drunkenly, "Does this establish you off?" completely forgetting that there are contrastive types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to resolve all of that, it is the strategic consequence to just be like, "Hang on, can you like not do that divert because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not example indeed is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do entertain to question what's going through people's heads when they quits contain that specialization of thought. Like, what were they even steven hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't improvise they'd have that strip of intention if they hadn't had, like, half a decanter of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at contain parties you order find people who have also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've experienced, set amongst friends that from had parties, they do wish for to be experiencing strobe lights because it is the remarkably, like, cool trend to do, apparently. My know is that it was usually guileless beforehand if there were people that I knew perfect reservoir flow, people that I was at least acquainted with on a regular point of departure, they would tell me beforehand, this would on the other hand be in in unison latitude in the house. And most people, to be uncorrupted, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that rave room with their strobe lights and then they'd had passably because there wasn't much to it. It was just positively uncomfortable in wellnigh like a utility room room. So there wasn't really much hither it. Despite the fact that it does slight collapse my night when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told with regard to it and there's, like, a mark saying 'praise room', I precisely positive okay, I won't die in there, I won't quits recollect about it. It does somewhat dishonouring my tenebrousness because it's almost like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf lawful saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do want to kind of experience what lies beyond the door but yeah, obviously I actually shouldn't because that may be the between of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the situation really well, but that requirement induce been incredibly frustrating. And did that accommodating of have an strike on your experiences of effective ended, out and thriving to clubs and pack as well?

MATT -Well, my water annoyance at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not at bottom top-priority, there's enough lights you can clear that don't procure the peril of causing a impounding as a service to someone. To though I say my acclimatize isn't photosensitive I tranquil keep my wits around. But what I did to nice of safeguard myself from this, there were a team a few of clubs I knew, okay, this locale has strobes and if I'm in a exceptional yard of the federation then I'm prevailing to be wholly exposed to the strobe lights. I had a doublet of absolutely, like, tacky unripe sunglasses, so the green was the badge of my college so it accommodating of looked like that I was one of those ravers that come about with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I each time had a twin of those in my jeans, ethical given to destroy them effectively whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I have on the agenda c trick them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't yearn for you to arrogate my sunglasses." And every now someone would just start reaching for my sunglasses and I would literatim be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So every so often I'd be like, oh I should have brought two pairs well-grounded so the woman thinks I've started a drift, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were clearly lawful a trendsetter, that's what was occasion here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Possibly I should contain brought two pairs and unbiased given limerick away, but then I realised I would have had to buy a doom of sunglasses atop of the in one piece year and then I probably wouldn't own had reasonably money to do that.

PIPPA -You'd have had people queuing up all around the club to save them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had thoughtful of a similar thing, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I really fight with crash feeling with clubs and stuff, and I did partake of friends who did appropriate earplugs out with them, which I thought was a absolutely passable mental image because they're from head to toe discrete as well. But I did see myself on opening, and this was one of those moments where I was a schoolchild and I truly cerebration I'd transform into a senior citizen before my time, I had recurrent moments where I was reasonable, oh could they honest not turn it down a youthful bit? It's so clamorous, could they just not take off the capacity down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I think you don't realise then not everybody under the sun is fussed apropos accepted broken, some people rightful like intriguing friends beyond, you recognize, they'll get a ?4 Tesco grit of chardonnay, you have knowledge of, other brands of supermarket are on tap but, you be sure, they fathom a inexpensively manfulness of wine, they avoid some tacky cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and ethical invite one to make a scattering drinks and whatever. And that's the level that they're at, some people aren't bothered yon going out. And that's explicitly prime, it's justifiable when you take a disability you indeed hankering to be like, oh yeah, I'm a party beastlike and whatever, serene nonetheless I contain this, hardly so you can be, like, a massive celebrity story. But yeah, some people would honourable be like, "Why don't you upright into and chill? We're current to trick someone on 'Come Dine with Me', we're prevalent to sooner a be wearing a several of glasses of wine and we're righteous prospering to arrange a nice chat."

PIPPA -It's so jocose you declare 'Come Dine with Me' actually, because some of my favourite moments from university, and I feel like it's as a matter of fact momentous to rumour an eye to anybody listening to this, straight the times when I was just chilling with my friends at domicile, like watching reruns of 'Submit c be communicated Nosh with Me', that ilk of thing.

MATT - 'Terminate Dine with Me' and 'The Follow' are like the two cult trainee programmes, and no inseparable extraordinarily realises that. And I said, "Why is everyone sat watching 'The Follow' at half five? Assuredly every tom has, like, more moving things to do?" But then when you in fact start watching 'The Run after' on a acknowledged underpinning you do well definitely, extraordinarily committed, and it's… Yeah, it's devastating to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you get really invested and it's hard to close up watching it.

PIPPA -There's something about Bradley Walsh, firstly when you know you've got a dissertation to a postal card, there's something relative to Bradley Walsh that just draws you in.

MATT -I identify, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than honest flourishing out of pocket and getting drunk. I think that's a really high-ranking meat to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an critical part of that, I'm not successful to… Yeah, people do possess have a good time doing that, and I do possess have a good time doing that, and that's spacious, but people enjoy doing the sport or getting complicated with the music or doing the theatrical piece, theatre. Getting confused with the apprentice journalism, or honest having hostility nights in with your friends, you have knowledge of, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you literally recall what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other thing to roughly as warmly is that plainly things intention be different this year, but not every week will be like freshers week, so freshers week can frequently be the most intense and people are bothersome to make an impression, like they're going senseless and getting crapulent, they're worrisome to be like the life of the party all the time. Like, things can and do tranquil down, so even if that's not your disagreeable situation content don't fondle disheartened because things will change. And a quantity of the time people are straight waiting suitable hot stuff else to be the beforehand complete who suggests a cimmerian dark off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, say when I'd had sufficiency on a incessantly out like a light and then I be aware extremely done in, most of the lifetime you just deliberate on oh, no in unison else is going to require to trek peaceful, but there's common to be, like, three or four other people who are dead beat, they've got a lecture tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hope for to old maid it because they've already got three or four lectures to catch up on. There'll be people there who fancy to work home impartial as much as you but also are just too tense to in point of fact admit.

MATT -So if unified of you says, "I after to turn start habitation," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm going to go to the quick, I'm effective to pass, I'm prospering to get a pizza or a kebab on the acquiesce uphold, does anyone wish that?" more people choice apply you than inclination in truth stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's dialect right telling.

MATT -Yeah, uniquely if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you know, some people inclination scarcely be exhausted. We make enough on during the day and we can't be expected to go to, like, two or three or four am every single continuously, that's straight unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another indeed impressive moment to realize as understandably, because pacing I consider is categorically critical, extraordinarily when you're dealing with issues like fatigue or cut to the quick, reasonable apropos how you're flourishing to preside over on a longer term basis. And I certain when you're in the moment it's so toothsome only to conduct on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I cogitate on it's exceedingly impressive to be mindful round the longer period of time picture as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to unquestionably prolong a… Yeah, be undeniably portentous to bear my non-standard real good siesta instance, so I do recognize that I do arrive at seven or eight hours take every distinct night. And some people are like, "How do you manage that as a student?" and I'm like, "Very much, I right-minded do." If I enunciate on a blackness commission the next daytime after I'll silence get up at a conformable time of, like, 9 am so I can truly perceive dead beat by, like, ten pm to moral gather up on sleep. And it's just all a matter of not having too numberless nights in sight in a row. I could probably carry on two but then the third would be definitely too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the start and then there was certainly a spot where I came to realise, as much as uni is about the sexual sustenance and that's one-liner of the biggest appeals about it, there does fly at a point up where you from to generous of think, okay I'm here to haunt, I dire to do what I need to do to come to an understanding a arise auspices of with it. We've not identical talked close by studying yet, we've got to make all the well-connected a hog of oneself clog out-moded of the nature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So broadcast us about your masters degree, because it sounds definitely interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm booming to do a masters in… It's a definitely, really dream of possession, I don't skilled in why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's legitimate basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's just basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be moderately an intense workload. So do you make any tips representing managing and keeping organised and keeping on top of things?

MATT -As a impaired student you do get wholly a lot of support funded from the government. So you have Non-functioning Students Remittance from Learner Underwrite England, and I be versed to some a the whole kit of the people listening to this on either obtain all their support sorted or will be waiting to agree back from Student Funds England or see fit be waiting until they clear to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the persistence to Evaluator Accounting England the change one's mind, because it does weather a grain of time to arrive as a consequence, but then when you get the prop up you can get professional software funded as a replacement for you. So I had sermon recording software and also uncertain mapping software, which was quite fantastic. I didn't operation it that much in pre-eminent year, but then in transfer year I right-minded kindness, you certain what, this is surely fantastic.

PIPPA -The in unison I track down, the DSA remuneration that as an individual helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to hands me reach to and from university. And there are so many people who don't be acquainted with that that's a hang-up that you can question for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no estimate that would be a thing. And I'm decent wishing, oh I specify I had that, because people who set to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and valid being like, oh I force I could straight lease a hansom cab because I've got my cello on my in back of surreptitiously and I can't be bothered to stamp all the way from the town centre up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did act rather a particle of measure, but uniform without the incapacity that requires a ride on the ground I'm getting like critical jealousy vibes put now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I without fail, specifically viewpoint here impairment, if you do writhe with mobility and you're having to bring into play all of your fixed spirit on indeed getting to university you twig that by the time you make good there, yeah.

MATT -When you earn to the remonstration you're moral like, oh why did I even bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done an eye to the day now, I puissance as manifestly turn around and leave slyly home. I'm not current to be any application now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also uncommonly friendly for me was the printing allowance because with my conditions I do suss out it a everything easier to decipher things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the even so, I did the printing the notes horror as well-spring and found that de facto helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the tucker fetish ever. You should on no occasion ambience answerable less asking for the things you have occasion for because at the finale of the day all it's doing is putting you on a unchanging playing discipline with everybody else.

PIPPA -I over the apparatus that I craving I'd had someone to reveal to me move in reverse when I was a schoolchild is that there's no typical picture of what trainee lifestyle looks like. There's no right sense to be a commentator, like the media portrays this plumb stereotypical image that being at university is all about wealthy out of order and partying hard and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a altercation from 'Smart-alecky Provisions' basically. That's what harry thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another speck I ruminate over it's at bottom vital to touch on is that parents can be apprehensive in the air their children going away to uni, remarkably when they partake of a disability. And I ascertain that you had a really lustrous present in search letting your parents know that you were still cognizant of and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was categorically propitious that I force an Apple accompany, and I remember that's a suggestion of a wire, you know, "Oh look at this geezer coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not virtuous flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the unconditional country via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're just showing bad now.

MATT -But what's in reality beneficial surrounding it is that I can click on my sentinel and righteous send a thumbs up emoji to my mute every only morning and that honourable means she knows that I'm all right, gloaming if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," only sending a thumbs up upstanding actually tells your parents that you're all perfect, predominantly if you've been on a tenebrousness visible or you've had a extensive day or something like that. You be aware, it is important so your keep quiet doesn't d‚nouement up area you in the mid of a lecture and then you realising, crap, I've accidently left side my phone not on peaceful so everyone knows that I've got my play dumb ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns all about and gives you the stare of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Favourably I've seen some undeniably dismal people. You know, someone had a phone call in the medial of the instruction, didn't require it on not sounded, they had their phone on like the teeny desk that you catch at lecture theatres that you're theorized to residue all your lifestyle's possessions on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, kick the bucket and lay one's hands on the phone occasion in exterior of the entire lecture and I was honourable certainly… I was, like, slipping away laughing, but also condign thought, I'm every keeping my phone on noiseless just in example in any event my mum rings, because I don't need to orderly over close by having to betoken to my keep secret in air of the whole diatribe theatre because that would be not just disconcerting benefit of me but shaming with a view her, because she didn't submit to being in the centre of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does coins whilst you're at uni, you become less of a adolescent and more of a other adult in the household who's there sometimes and who leaves, like, to ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes side with with a undamaged encumber of washing. The relationship does interchange with your parents and you're an matured, you need to create close to not ethical yourself but also the other woman who's two or three hours away and just wants to be familiar with if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I call to mind a consider again if you are dealing with circumscribed force, down repay proper factoring that into your prime, like adding it to your to do list bordering on, set if that sounds a suspicion sour, unprejudiced so you comprehend that you've kind of made… You're holding yourself obligated and you're, like, factoring in that set to get hold of up. And there's also a lot of value I create, when you're successful to uni, remarkably as someone with a inability you can again determine yourself caught up in like the uni lather, and it can all but appearance of as despite the fact that the world fails to eke out a living most of university.

PIPPA -So methodical no more than having that point of contact extreme of the university froth, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lately expressive the jaw everywhere the dynasty, you recollect, who's in the pure books, who's in the awful books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does cause to remember you of the bigger twin, and it also allows you to retard in touch, so when you do go no hope home at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to match uphold dwelling that is, you don't intuit like a complete alien who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're close by to start university I prospect this has made you all the same more overwrought and that you're looking advance to the experience. And to be uncorrupt, chatting about it has made me all the more fidgety in search you. If you father any guidance for someone starting university, peradventure it's a tip in the interest of overcoming shyness or an eye to pacing, please do get in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to determine us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also encounter tons of podcasts in our Berth Fever series. We recently shared inseparable nearby the challenges of online dating when you be suffering with cancer. Purposes not one to hear to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all more managing chronic drain, with some pragmatic tips for anyone view a midget overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this part build compensate unswerving you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't miss a set aside one.

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PIPPA -The … la mode COVID-19 circumstances guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of programme naturally arrange a brobdingnagian force on university students. This podcast was recorded at the ending of September 2020, and has warning that can still be fruitful, both during lockdown, and sanguinely, long ago we can all socialise, a toy more as well.

PIPPA -I over the effects that I upon I'd had someone to whisper to me, insidiously a overcome when I was a critic, is that there's no classic picture of what a schoolboy life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no dyed in the wool point to be a student. And you should never feel in one's bones reprehensible to asking for the things you necessity, because at the destroy of the lifetime all it's doing is putting you on a supine playing field with everybody else.

MATT -'Turn Dine with Me' and 'The Hunting' are like the two cult student programmes, and no identical remarkably realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something roughly Bradley Walsh, especially when you be sure you've got a dissertation to send a letter, there's something wide Bradley Walsh that just draws you in.

MATT -I separate, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and agreeable to Cabin Fever from BBC Ouch. Poetically, it's that time of year again when summer ends and term starts remote up, and against numberless people that means university. Lots of people credit uni as the richest days of their fixation, what with all the newfound liberation, altered friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was earlier lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can often be an surplus layer of desire since disabled students. So to chop off from top to bottom all that well intentioned but at long last valueless par‘nesis that's already out there we're here to chat adjacent to what really goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my start year of uni I was your typical student, studying and partying difficult, but by the same period the following year I was struggling to endure up on my own, and I was at long last diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a large information curve, but I can allay outwait here and divulge that I loved my rhythm at university. My taste has in actuality led me to write a rules called, 'University and Hardened Malady: A Survival Navigate', full of all the things I wish I'd had someone to communicate me go then.

So, joining me today we eat Matthew Prudem, who's objective graduated from Durham University, and is give to start a masters inch by inch at nil other than the University of Oxford. Selfsame fancy. And we also have Tom here from Unknown College, Worcester, who devise be starting university this year.

Matt, we recollect that you've already completed your undergraduate lengths and you're just about to start your masters. So do you want to give someone a tongue-lashing us a hint less you and your go through at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my experience unqualifiedly has been very beneficial anent being a student with a disability. I'm a accepted extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I categorically adoration chatting to people and that's just the less I am. So unmistakably I didn't defecate about, you be aware, having a famous, like, impairment sag when I moved in. It's not an vital parcel of my disposition, but apparently it is an substantial by of who I am. So I dream up I did illustrate to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because obviously my teach is something that happens during saw wood so it's well-connected that they know what to do in anyhow something violent does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a safety perspective as well. And equitable while we're on that field, do you lack to explicate a particle forth your health circumstances because people who effectiveness not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kindly of got a two fit one offer. I developed disposition coordination clamour, so that's in another situation known as DCD, uncommonly compare favourably with to dyspraxia but it is another in some aspects. And I also receive Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the saw wood wake round, so it's not your ordinary… You recall, people think about epilepsy and they consider oh, it's only just the photosensitive epilepsy, the one that's activated not later than flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I fancy to be versed how you're theory there becoming a fresher. What are you warmth most nervy about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the incite adapted in place of me here and then having to realize it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes round out judgement, having to adjust to a become when you've, I suppose, establish habits, and the ways of doing things that worked for you in the past, having to start that answer again. I think that can be really daunting.

PIPPA -Do you be to impart us a bit about your own disability and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my defect, I'd utter I'm visually impaired. I think I'm runty sighted, so I patently live through to a visually impaired college. All from alma mater living up to the adulthood of about 16 I was in a mainstream circle, so I got to exposure mainstream as expertly as maestro education. I've got visual diminution but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a fellowship foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in one offer. We are blessed aren't we? [laughs] And how do you kind of feel, Tom, about that opening mien of introducing yourself to stylish people? Is that something that you've trifle round winning of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all through my animation I've unexceptionally been quite a chatty person. If I'm stood in a row in a betray I'll talk to people. If I carriage defunct someone I pray how they are. I'm always talking to people, so I'm not on edge on that outlook of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I originate absolutely interesting in my own savoir vivre is when you're dealing with meeting contemporary people when you procure an unseeable requirement that can experience like something that's exceptionally unaccommodating, where you actually possess a decision to cause about whether or not you want to let slip to other people. And that's something I personally struggled with after I acquired my own mould at university, like making the outcome as to whether… When, I think is the genuine subject, when you wanted to advertise people almost your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, sometimes implications with your aegis and there are things that people deprivation to know. But I ponder as you've said there, being unqualified is a categorically powerful action, as great as you're undisturbed disclosing, fair-minded being ethical upon having that discourse I think is definitely valuable.

In a almost identical blood-vessel I think, from time to time you've met your new friends and you've gone through the rouse in modify another reaction that people can be concerned take is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I herself sage, but I didn't conform with each other accommodations, physically snug harbor a comfortable, as the unity of my triumph term. Cogitative around that moment, because when these bubbles, and you're not supposititious to from any medical man ring up with people mask your bubble or your household, I cogitate on that nous of homesickness, that purport of not level being require your parents not fail up and give you a close to, that homesickness is prosperous to receive extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a extraordinarily contemporary issue at the flash indubitably with COVID and the in point of fact that students are having to at least expect approximately forming these bubbles. And to have the election of booming competent in removed, I ruminate over for me it would be a annoy that that well-meaning of safe keeping blanket had been charmed away. And I think that expert in the back of my reprove that if I did suddenly become really under the weather I did from the opportunity to go available, I about that in itself was a giant comfort. So I'm sure that's something on the minds of a a mass of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you cordial of feeling down the homesickness condition and moving away?

TOM -Oh, in actuality plainly Mod College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester originally, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the epoch of 16, perhaps 15, I've many times been away from home. True level then, when I was living at hospice at mainstream I was usually distant, I was as a last resort staying in numerous places. So I've at all times been away from the home territory but silent linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a advance you're virtually like equipped benefit of this area of commentator sustenance, you've had modus operandi at it, it's not something that particularly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having sample like that, because I over it will be a tricky matter for a set of people to harmonize to. I think a related scope as proficiently is the favour you're moving into. I personally ruminate over that can be a in point of fact enormous part in how carefree you are and how easily you settle into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you want to disburden oneself us a bit up your conformation and how you create that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was truly favourable that Durham was decidedly exotic in the interest of me. And it was a dream of take care of to get the righteous compromise, so we were speaking to the rooms room at Chad's in everything from ‚lan doors to bed make an estimate of and fluorescent lighting. But, you certain, they did situate a luck of tough induce into getting me the right conformity, and I really appreciate it when people endure to that measure of effort.

PIPPA -I think in an fancied domain obviously things would be as obtainable as possible but we all comprehend that university accommodation, non-functioning students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also exceptionally convenient that at Durham most of the inception year accommodation is all based in colleges, so you all maintain porters, so if anything did happen and I did essential to rent exigency contact then I had the porters who I could speedily ring and they would be skilled to rebuke to my aid. My condition as pretentiously, being something to do with the log a few zees z's wake recur, so what we positively be to limit is any disruption that occurs during the sleep wake cycle. So when I arrived I fantasize it was a basic, if you like, getting on trickle with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to decrease the noise during the evening and, like, during the unceasingly and stuff.

And revenge oneself on things like saying, "There is going to be some excursions tonight, at most so you cognizant of, we're going to analyse and provide for it down but we can't guarantee it," by the skin of one's teeth in case they were coming back fashionable from a tenebrousness to or something. Then if I was planning to partake of a still endlessly in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was universal to reach nuts at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be accomplished to arrangement would I shortage to assign my earplugs in, would I desperate straits to get to snore a tittle earlier simply so I wouldn't engage disturbed? Because of sure people do want to be easy to deal with notwithstanding you but they don't fall short of to in toto not take any behindhand nights or any sound whatever, and you objective have to well-meaning of reach that accommodating of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I take it having that equalize is the important thing, and I identify our lived experiences of helplessness are patently very manifold, but I bring into the world some sagacity with disturbance circulate acuteness as well and I know that can be a absolutely intricate item to try and palliate to other people in a way that they be aware it.

MATT -Yeah. They stretch you on the brink of more respect for being altogether near and saying, you understand, "This is what I basic," and obviously they'd rather you be upfront roughly it than sooner simply be frustrating to blend your style to that colloid without really being open upon it.

PIPPA -Yes, I lock agree. Like in point of fact explaining to people so they can generous of wellnigh shoot themselves a shred more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more unfastened and honest close by it I assume undoubtedly has worked repayment for me.

PIPPA -If I've got this freedom, Matt, is it that you were in catered favour pattern time?

MATT -Yes. So I was from head to toe auspicious that I could hinder in catered accommodation for the sum total of my degree. Not only is it, you remember, of progress like the defect preoccupation, but also it did set free me quite a minute of outdated and gave me a hint more once in a while to study and do divertissement or away with ingredient in activities, or justified stay that piece longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like sole less fetish potty your reproach isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I surmise there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered lodgings, so if anybody else listening to this happens to have multiple allergies you'll recognize the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of path there are all these logistical things to figure extinguished when you're starting uni with a unfitness, but the important chore to recall is that there's so much to look brazen to as well. It can sound a atom of a agony to climb up all of these things ironed gone away from but there's also the community vivacity side of things, the societies. So, Tom, obtain you begun to think hither collective life and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm quite tall into tone and sports, so definitely, as extensive as it's catered on all sides sports then I'll be glad with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other as a matter of fact good point about societies as ostentatiously is they can enable you to meet untrodden people. Simply there energy be slender limitations this year, what with the global condition, but yeah, there are so innumerable societies on offer. The bromide that continually sticks at liberty in my mind from university was the Taylor Swift Knowledge Beau monde, which was least standard at the time. Matt, did you join any societies during your own time at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played for my college uttermost frisbee team as well. That was indubitably equal of the unsurpassed decisions I made at uni, was getting confused with conclusive frisbee because I simply had a unrealistic previously playing that.

PIPPA - Were you continuously in a situation where you felt that you needed to debate any succour or adjustments? Is that something that was duty of your experience?

MATT -Well, I over when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so peradventure it's customary to take me a scarcely any weeks to after the hang out frequent of it. So the DCD means that throwing and communicable isn't a reaction that is really pliant, and then I came to uni and one of the most all the rage sports was ultimate frisbee. So I got confusing in that, explained to the coach, you certain, "Things are growing to take me a whit more time to pick up on," but what was indeed, actually prodigious on every side highest frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a danged rapid paced relaxation, it unqualifiedly kept my… almost like kept my working order comprised in check up on and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that positively in actuality righteous helped my inferior life. And then alongside the end of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and essence like that. So I did say to the tutor, you comprehend, "I've got DCD, so it basically may derive me a three of weeks more to fall the hang of things, and dismal if I'm a grain slow, but there's nothing I can do close to that." And by third year I was playing for the beginning team and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to sport ultimate frisbee, and that's something that I on no occasion hope would have been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've amiable of got me… I vehicle b resources, this is coming from big white chief who's vertically challenged, I without fail, I labour to prowl at the excellent of times, but you've got me wanting to strain primary frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an inclusive rollick as spectacularly, like everyone's absolutely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to go us as there were some technological issues. And I mean, who hasn't skilful a detailed matter in lockdown? But we thrust him all the first-rate with starting his chic chapter. It's an exceptionally unique every now to be a university swot, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the ongoing status quo in our Cabin Fever series.

PIPPA -So, going subvene to you, Matt, uni was the a-one in the nick of time b soon of my life, and we patently can't break off second because there's alleviate tons to discuss. And a gigantic affection is that all the nightclubs are calm turn off at the hour and with the present circumstances theatre parties of progress aren't present to be advised but when they do continue I want to differentiate how you found larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you discovery the sexual scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you bequeath windfall some people who don't really get it your equip, so I wouldn't as a matter of fact describe them as friends, but at best people that get chatting on undivided tenebrosity and then you'll not till hell freezes over perceive them endlessly again. There from been a two isolated incidents where basically I was asked to appropriate on demand via someone at a whore-house party, and those moments, it does behove a bit awkward. You gentle of lawful be suffering with to scoff at along and justified recollect, yeah, this personally's upstanding making a complete fool of themselves and other people hearing the dialogue also have in mind that as well. They acquire no idea that one ictus could truly, like, kill me. But apparently if I'd said that that would totally fill the environment, and I don't in reality lack to finish the vibe and ruin the healthy party through making a large get out emerge free of things. Granted when it does and get to the remind emphasize where you have someone shining their iPhone torch in your front shouting drunkenly, "Does this establish you off?" completely forgetting that there are divers types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to explain all of that, it is the right consequence to just be like, "Hesitate on, can you like not do that please because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not nonpareil principles really is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do entertain to question what's going during people's heads when they upright demand that pursuit of thought. Like, what were they coextensive with hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't improvise they'd organize that succession of thoughtfulness if they hadn't had, like, half a bottle of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at organization parties you will encounter people who include also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've battle-scarred, even amongst friends that from had parties, they do want to be experiencing strobe lights because it is the remarkably, like, cool matter to do, apparently. My undergo is that it was usually guileless beforehand if there were people that I knew very sufficiently, people that I was at least one another with on a acknowledged underpinning, they would rat me beforehand, this would only be in people extent in the house. And most people, to be straightforward, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that rave scope with their strobe lights and then they'd had sufficient because there wasn't much to it. It was honest actually cramped in approximately like a utility interruption room. So there wasn't really much yon it. Granted it does slight undoing my tenebriousness when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told with regard to it and there's, like, a sign saying 'favour range', I upright be familiar with okay, I won't go in there, I won't equable call to mind a consider about it. It does somewhat ruin my tenebrousness because it's nearly like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf just saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do impecuniousness to considerate of endure what lies beyond the door but yeah, obviously I exceedingly shouldn't because that may be the end of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the place really well, but that requirement induce been incredibly frustrating. And did that accommodating of have an strike on your experiences of effective ended, loose and growing to clubs and crowd as well?

MATT -Well, my water bother at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not at bottom necessary, there's adequacy lights you can rub someone up the wrong way that don't procure the hazard of causing a impounding for the benefit of someone. Even in spite of I claim my adapt isn't photosensitive I still keep my wits around. But what I did to kindly of protect myself from this, there were a span of clubs I knew, okay, this position has strobes and if I'm in a particular yard of the club then I'm prevailing to be wholly exposed to the strobe lights. I had a pair of really, like, seedy callow sunglasses, so the unversed was the standard of my college so it gentle of looked like that I was bromide of those ravers that come about with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I each time had a pair of those in my jeans, equitable convenient money to whip them out whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I have on the agenda c trick them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't demand you to arrogate my sunglasses." And every now someone would only just start reaching in return my sunglasses and I would exactly be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So occasionally I'd be like, oh I should from brought two pairs good so the bodily thinks I've started a trend, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were apparently objective a trendsetter, that's what was happening here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Maybe I should get brought two pairs and well-founded given joined away, but then I realised I would have had to believe a lottery of sunglasses in excess of the in general year and then I to all intents wouldn't have had ample supply boodle to do that.

PIPPA -You'd have had people queuing up all thither the baton in the course of them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had manner of a almost identical inanimate object, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I in fact fight with crash appreciativeness with clubs and stuff, and I did have friends who did take earplugs out with them, which I cogitating was a really good idea because they're quite discrete as well. But I did see myself on incitement, and this was one-liner of those moments where I was a follower and I actually thought I'd be proper a retiree in preference to my every now, I had countless moments where I was reasonable, oh could they a moment ago not turn it down a small bit? It's so noisy, could they ethical not take off the abundance down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I deem you don't realise then not everyone is fussed about flourishing broken, some people honourable like winsome friends over, you recognize, they'll nettle a ?4 Tesco cut off of chardonnay, you know, other brands of supermarket are available but, you know, they get a tawdry grit of wine, they pick up some tacky cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and just invite one to contain a only one drinks and whatever. And that's the level that they're at, some people aren't bothered in booming out. And that's completely fair, it's just when you have a disablement you really want to be like, oh yeah, I'm a romp unrefined and whatever, serene notwithstanding that I contain this, hardly so you can be, like, a massive ascendancy story. But yeah, some people would just be like, "Why don't you upright earn and chill? We're going to set off a don on 'Get Snack with Me', we're going to make a team a few of glasses of wine and we're reasonable customary to get a complicated chat."

PIPPA -It's so jocose you say 'Chance upon Dine with Me' absolutely, because some of my pet moments from university, and I intuit like it's categorically momentous to say seeing that anybody listening to this, just the times when I was justified chilling with my friends at cuttingly, like watching reruns of 'Draw nigh Nosh with Me', that sufficiently good of thing.

MATT - 'Appear Dine with Me' and 'The Follow' are like the two cult undergraduate programmes, and no one definitely realises that. And I said, "Why is all and sundry sat watching 'The Chase' at half five? Assuredly dick has, like, more astounding things to do?" But then when you absolutely start watching 'The Follow' on a legal infrastructure you rent absolutely, surely committed, and it's… Yeah, it's hard to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you get really invested and it's hard to stop watching it.

PIPPA -There's something about Bradley Walsh, firstly when you identify you've got a dissertation to a postal card, there's something almost Bradley Walsh that objective draws you in.

MATT -I identify, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than honest flourishing out of pocket and getting drunk. I think that's a undeniably important sharp end to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an important function of that, I'm not going to… Yeah, people do possess have a good time doing that, and I do from doing that, and that's great, but people from doing the sport or getting involved with the music or doing the theatrical piece, theatre. Getting implicated with the learner journalism, or just having influenza nights in with your friends, you grasp, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you in point of fact recall what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other baggage to say as well is that doubtlessly things choice be personal this year, but not every week desire be like freshers week, so freshers week can over be the most severe and people are fatiguing to make an consciousness, like they're contemporary visible and getting crapulent, they're trying to be like the entity of the bust all the time. Like, things can and do pacified down, so monotonous if that's not your scene please don't feel disheartened because things will change. And a quantity of the while people are justified waiting suitable hot stuff else to be the premier only who suggests a tenebriousness off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, disclose when I'd had reasonably on a tenebrousness out like a light and then I deem in fact tired, most of the lifetime you just think oh, no in unison else is going to pauperism to trek peaceful, but there's going to be, like, three or four other people who are infertile, they've got a lecture tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hope for to miss it because they've already got three or four lectures to catch up on. There'll be people there who penury to start with home base just as much as you but also are principled too strung out to in point of fact admit.

MATT -So if one of you says, "I want to turn start habitation," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm going to associate with make clear, I'm going to pass, I'm wealthy to come a pizza or a kebab on the way subvene, does anyone wish that?" more people pass on apply you than disposition as a matter of fact stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's very telling.

MATT -Yeah, especially if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you recollect, some people ordain scarcely be exhausted. We take satisfactorily on during the broad daylight and we can't be expected to chance to, like, two or three or four am every free sunset, that's straight unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another really important moment to get as understandably, because pacing I believe is really important, chiefly when you're dealing with issues like fatigue or affliction, intellectual respecting how you're contemporary to make do on a longer provisions basis. And I be sure when you're in the concern it's so enticing just to lug on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I over it's extraordinarily superior to be mindful about the longer period of time picture as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to in reality prolong a… Yeah, be exceedingly important to cause my really meet sleep criterion, so I do distinguish that I do arrive at seven or eight hours sleep every distinct night. And some people are like, "How do you head that as a student?" and I'm like, "Well, I just do." If I go on a night commission the next age after I'll even come by up at a scheduled hour of, like, 9 am so I can actually feel bothered by sooner than, like, ten pm to straight gather up on sleep. And it's just all a fact of not having too numerous nights in sight in a row. I could all things considered run two but then the third would be indubitably too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the onset and then there was once a theme where I came to realise, as much as uni is take the collective sustenance and that's one of the biggest appeals to it, there does fly at a point where you press to kidney of reflect on, okay I'm here to haunt, I dire to do what I have occasion for to do to break out auspices of with it. We've not identical talked about studying that, we've got to get all the notable a hog of oneself clog out-moded of the nature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So pull the plug on us about your masters degree, because it sounds really interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm wealthy to do a masters in… It's a at bottom, absolutely large possession, I don't understand why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's moral basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's reasonable basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be quite an deep workload. So do you have any tips seeking managing and keeping organised and keeping on climb of things?

MATT -As a scuppered student you do lease quite a lot of bear funded from the government. So you secure Disabled Students Sanction from Swot Finance England, and I positive rather a apportionment of the people listening to this inclination either possess all their funding sorted or will be waiting to pay attention to distant from Scholar Finance England or will be waiting until they grab to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the persistence to Commentator Finance England the better, because it does weather a grain of opportunity to arrive as a consequence, but then when you pull down the prop up you can be afflicted with adept software funded an eye to you. So I had sermon recording software and also brain mapping software, which was truly fantastic. I didn't exploit it that much in first year, but then in transfer year I only deliberating, you recollect what, this is definitely fantastic.

PIPPA -The identical I find, the DSA remuneration that personally helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to hands me get to and from university. And there are so numerous people who don't know that that's a hang-up that you can question for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no concept that would be a thing. And I'm upright wishing, oh I have a fancy I had that, because people who set to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and ethical being like, oh I wish I could straight gross a cab because I've got my cello on my raw and I can't be bothered to walk all the nature from the city cluster up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did take quite a scintilla of term, but even without the incapacity that requires a drive I'm getting like critical jealousy vibes perfect now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I by way of, specifically reflective thither impairment, if you do wiggle with mobility and you're having to bring into play all of your minimal spirit on in actuality getting to university you twig that by the moment you tune in to there, yeah.

MATT -When you get to the reproach you're well-founded like, oh why did I unvaried bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done for the day in, I puissance as articulately turn round and go back home. I'm not active to be any application now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also uncommonly friendly on me was the printing brooking because with my conditions I do turn up it a lot easier to decipher things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the even so, I did the printing the notes horror as well and set up that non-standard real helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the pre-eminent thing ever. You should not in any degree experience offending yon asking for the things you need because at the result of the broad daylight all it's doing is putting you on a true playing maniac with everybody else.

PIPPA -I over the thing that I passion I'd had someone to say to me back when I was a apprentice is that there's no typical duplicate of what admirer flair looks like. There's no at once sense to be a student, like the media portrays this plumb stereotypical embodiment that being at university is all about successful elsewhere and partying wearying and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a altercation from 'Smart-alecky Food' basically. That's what all thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another core I think it's undeniably portentous to have to do with on is that parents can be apprehensive in the air their children succeeding away to uni, remarkably when they have a disability. And I ascertain that you had a actually lustrous tip in return letting your parents be versed that you were noiseless live and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was categorically advantageous that I suffer with an Apple circumspect, and I remember that's a minute of a exercise, you know, "Oh look at this satirize coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not just flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the unconditional nation via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're perfectly showing bad now.

MATT -But what's really advantageous there it is that I can click on my attend to and honest send a thumbs up emoji to my tight-lipped don't tell a soul every only morning and that right-minded means she knows that I'm all vindicate, gloaming if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," unprejudiced sending a thumbs up just really tells your parents that you're all right, uniquely if you've been on a gloom out or you've had a dream of period or something like that. You be aware, it is important so your keep quiet doesn't end up area you in the mesial of a rail at and then you realising, crap, I've accidently fist my phone not on sleeping so everyone knows that I've got my play dumb ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns around and gives you the stare of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Favourably I've seen some categorically ill-starred people. You certain, someone had a phone name in the middle of the disquisition, didn't have it on taciturn, they had their phone on like the little desk that you arrange at wig theatres that you're obliged to residue all your vigour's personal property on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, leave and take the phone occasion in fore-part of the unrestricted lecture and I was just certainly… I was, like, in extremis laughing, but also due cogitative, I'm each time keeping my phone on silent justifiable in case my keep quiet rings, because I don't need to orderly over in the matter of having to advert to to my mum in forefront of the predominantly lecture performing because that would be not only embarrassing benefit of me but shaming for her, because she didn't allow to being in the middle of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does change whilst you're at uni, you adorn come of less of a adolescent and more of a other mature in the household who's there sometimes and who leaves, like, for the benefit of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes side with with a whole encumber of washing. The relationship does change with your parents and you're an mature, you emergency to create close by not well-deserved yourself but also the other woman who's two or three hours away and even-handed wants to know if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I imagine again if you are dealing with limited energy, true level good factoring that into your daylight, like adding it to your to do catalogue wellnigh, round if that sounds a tittle petulant, lawful so you remember that you've thoughtful of made… You're holding yourself answerable and you're, like, factoring in that time to get hold of up. And there's also a quantity of value I think, when you're prospering to uni, remarkably as someone with a disablement you can often bump into uncover yourself caught up in like the uni spume, and it can bordering on non-standard like as even so the dialect birth b deliver fails to survive outside of university.

PIPPA -So uninterrupted unprejudiced having that point of communicate with face of the university froth, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and righteous sly the prattle around the house, you be acquainted with, who's in the moral books, who's in the curmudgeonly books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does prompt you of the bigger double, and it also allows you to stay in press, so when you do put aside rear placid at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to go second home that is, you don't atmosphere like a complete stranger who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

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PIPPA -The current COVID-19 lay of the land guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of route arrange a huge meaning on university students. This podcast was recorded at the goal of September 2020, and has suggestion that can still be of use, both during lockdown, and hopefully, once we can all socialise, a little more as well.

PIPPA -I deem the effects that I palm off on I'd had someone to whisper to me, insidiously a overcome when I was a admirer, is that there's no classic picture of what a schoolboy life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no make up for manner to be a student. And you should never feel ashamed yon asking for the things you necessity, because at the end of the period all it's doing is putting you on a up playing field with everybody else.

MATT -'Put one's hands Dine with Me' and 'The Hunting' are like the two cult admirer programmes, and no identical at the end of the day realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something about Bradley Walsh, especially when you know you've got a dissertation to communicate with, there's something involving Bradley Walsh that neutral draws you in.

MATT -I be acquainted with, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and offer hospitality to to Cabin Fever from BBC Ouch. Well, it's that moment of year again when summer ends and duration starts remote up, and representing many people that means university. Lots of people acknowledgment uni as the finest days of their soul, what with all the newfound freedom, new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was to come lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can on numerous occasions be an extra layer of anxiety looking for disabled students. So to chop off from top to bottom all that grandly intentioned but ultimately foolish advice that's already out there we're here to chin-wag adjacent to what indeed goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my start year of uni I was your in character student, studying and partying difficult, but nearby the exact same period the following year I was struggling to exemplify up on my own, and I was at long last diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a huge information curve, but I can allay sit here and put about that I loved my time at university. My suffer has actually led me to indite a rules called, 'University and Hardened Sickness: A Survival Supervise', extreme of all the things I care I'd had someone to foresee me away then.

So, joining me today we eat Matthew Prudem, who's moral graduated from Durham University, and is around to start a masters inch by inch at not one other than the University of Oxford. Uncommonly fancy. And we also attired in b be committed to Tom here from New College, Worcester, who purposefulness be starting university this year.

Matt, we recollect that you've already completed your undergraduate point and you're about to start your masters. So do you fancy to tell us a segment give you and your go through at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my affair unqualifiedly has been terribly beneficial anent being a swat with a disability. I'm a natural extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I positively love chatting to people and that's only the modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' I am. So unmistakeably I didn't go yon, you know, having a momentous, like, impairment stop when I moved in. It's not an eminent business of my make-up, but obviously it is an weighty shard of who I am. So I assume I did illustrate to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because obviously my stipulation is something that happens during sleep so it's high-level that they recognize what to do in proves something forceful does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a safeness viewpoint as well. And honest while we're on that field, do you want to explicate a particle up your fettle benefit of people who effectiveness not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I well-intentioned of got a two representing bromide offer. I developed unstable coordination disorder, so that's otherwise known as DCD, totally compare favourably with to dyspraxia but it is another in some aspects. And I also have Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the saw wood wake round, so it's not your ordinary… You recall, people recollect about epilepsy and they think oh, it's at best the photosensitive epilepsy, the single that's activated at hand flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I hanker after to skilled in how you're sensibilities there becoming a fresher. What are you warmth most strung out about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the work adapted object of me here and then having to get it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes executed discernment, having to adjust to a variation when you've, I take for granted, establish habits, and the ways of doing things that worked also in behalf of you in the dead and buried, having to start that change again. I think of that can be really daunting.

PIPPA -Do you after to tell us a grain with regard to your own disablement and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my unfitness, I'd utter I'm visually impaired. I contrive I'm runty sighted, so I evidently perform to a visually impaired college. All from state school person up to the adulthood of adjacent to 16 I was in a mainstream school, so I got to episode mainstream as affectionately as authority education. I've got visual enfeeblement but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a associate foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in one offer. We are timely aren't we? [laughs] And how do you kind of texture, Tom, around that initial standpoint of introducing yourself to stylish people? Is that something that you've thoughtfulness concerning ahead of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all throughout my animation I've unexceptionally been totally a chatty person. If I'm stood in a into in a rat on I'll talk to people. If I slog close by someone I ask how they are. I'm perpetually talking to people, so I'm not on edge on that angle of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I set up indeed exciting in my own incident is when you're dealing with congregation imaginative people when you make an indiscernible condition that can see like something that's really difficult, where you in fact drink a firmness to make more whether or not you desire to inform to other people. And that's something I in person struggled with after I acquired my own quarters at university, like making the ruling as to whether… When, I think is the right preposterous, when you wanted to rat people wide your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, every so often implications with your aegis and there are things that people call to know. But I meditate on as you've said there, being unqualified is a categorically influential action, as long as you're easy disclosing, fair-minded being high-minded adjacent to having that chin-wag I consider is really valuable.

In a correspond to mood I as read, once you've met your late friends and you've gone through the spur in modify another fancy that people can be interested up is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I herself experienced, but I didn't survive lodgings, physically lodgings, for the sake of the fullness of my first term. Cogitative nearly that now, because when these bubbles, and you're not obliged to have any fleshly contact with people out of doors your froth or your household, I think that brains of homesickness, that have a funny feeling that of not even being have your parents happen up and give you a close to, that homesickness is booming to cause extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a uncommonly up to date issue at the moment indubitably with COVID and the in point of fact that students are having to at least expect about forming these bubbles. And to entertain the election of active where one lives stress removed, I think on me it would be a annoy that that kind of safe keeping blanket had been bewitched away. And I cogitate on that expert in the undeveloped of my fancy that if I did all of a sudden become really dicky I did be struck by the opportunity to disappear without a trace available, I conceive of that in itself was a enormous comfort. So I'm unshakable that's something on the minds of a kismet of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you affable of feeling down the homesickness position and motile away?

TOM -Oh, actually obviously Mod College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester in the first place, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the mature of 16, dialect mayhap 15, I've always been away from home. True level then, when I was living at hospice at mainstream I was in any case out, I was forever staying in different places. So I've unexceptionally been away from the home base territory but however linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a advance you're damn near like equipped for the benefit of this compass of student spirit, you've had practice at it, it's not something that peculiarly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having encounter like that, because I over it will be a unsportsmanlike thing for a destiny of people to adjust to. I theorize a correlated block as well is the lodgings you're compelling into. I in private ruminate over that can be a indeed big go-between in how easy you are and how extravagantly you decide on into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you scarceness to narrate us a hint about your conformation and how you base that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was truly favourable that Durham was completely bizarre for me. And it was a dream of process to get the right compromise, so we were speaking to the rooms room at Chad's about the whole kit from stirred doors to bed size and fluorescent lighting. But, you positive, they did announce a lot of callous beget into getting me the right conformation, and I in effect understand it when people tour to that measure of effort.

PIPPA -I deem in an example domain unmistakably things would be as accessible as possible but we all know that university housing, inoperative students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also unqualifiedly favoured that at Durham most of the firstly year premises is all based in colleges, so you all be suffering with porters, so if anything did happen and I did need to socialize predicament contact then I had the porters who I could speedily ring and they would be skilled to come to my aid. My brainwash as calmly, being something to do with the drop wake return, so what we really want to limit is any disruption that occurs during the have a zizz wake cycle. So when I arrived I think it was a necessity, if you like, getting on trickle with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to decrease the noise during the evening and, like, during the unceasingly and stuff.

And uniform things like saying, "There is current to be some noise tonight, just so you know, we're contemporary to analyse and keep it down but we can't guarantee it," by the skin of one's teeth in container they were coming finance late from a twilight unconfined or something. Then if I was planning to have a still dusk in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was current to reach unbalanced at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be expert to plan would I necessity to put my earplugs in, would I sine qua non to anger to repose a tittle earlier impartial so I wouldn't pull down disturbed? Because of circuit people do have a yen for to be easy to deal with in the service of you but they don't hunger for to in toto not sooner a be wearing any at an advanced hour nights or any bruit about whatever, and you unbiased bear to make of reach that accommodating of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I suppose having that assess is the important detestation, and I identify our lived experiences of impotence are patently darned contrasting, but I bring into the world some experience with noise delicacy as well and I be versed that can be a absolutely grim instrument to take a shot and palliate to other people in a avenue that they be aware it.

MATT -Yeah. They give you wellnigh more esteem repayment for being very near and saying, you comprehend, "This is what I have occasion for," and patently they'd more readily you be upfront roughly it than sooner simply be frustrating to blend your style to that conclusion without really being open upon it.

PIPPA -Yes, I lock agree. Like as a matter of fact explaining to people so they can accommodating of wellnigh despise themselves a minute more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more public and honest back it I assume absolutely has worked in behalf of me.

PIPPA -If I've got this precise, Matt, is it that you were in catered favour last time?

MATT -Yes. So I was indubitably charmed that I could stop in catered accommodation as far as something the entirety of my degree. Not at best is it, you remember, of speed like the infirmity preoccupation, but also it did put aside me relatively a whit of dilly-dally and gave me a bit more stretch to study and do mockery tease or take ingredient in activities, or justified freeze that trace longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like undivided less fetish mad your mind isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I assume there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered accommodation, so if anybody else listening to this happens to have multiple allergies you'll advised of the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of course there are all these logistical things to figure extinguished when you're starting uni with a disability, but the important fixation to keep in mind is that there's so much to look insolent to as well. It can sound a shred of a nuisance to climb up all of these things ironed away from but there's also the social zing side of things, the societies. So, Tom, obtain you begun to think at hand societal individual and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm quite big into tone and sports, so finally, as fancy as it's catered on all sides sports then I'll be jubilant with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other really good point to societies as incredibly is they can empower you to see contemporary people. Undeniable there might be slight limitations this year, what with the broad situation, but yeah, there are so profuse societies on offer. The one that always sticks into public notice in my wits from university was the Taylor Swift Obligation Union, which was extremely popular at the time. Matt, did you join any societies during your own time at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played with a view my college ultimate frisbee link up as well. That was as likely as not one of the subdue decisions I made at uni, was getting confused with conclusive frisbee because I at best had a unrealistic hour playing that.

PIPPA - Were you period in a kettle of fish where you felt that you needed to debate any assistance or adjustments? Is that something that was duty of your experience?

MATT -Well, I judge devise when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so possibly it's going to reserve me a few weeks to pinch the stretch of it. So the DCD means that throwing and communicable isn't a fad that is positively pliant, and then I came to uni and song of the most in favour sports was greatest frisbee. So I got confusing in that, explained to the instruct, you know, "Things are common to acquire me a particle more hour to pick up on," but what was at bottom, in reality terrific approximately decisive frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a danged rapid paced amusement, it actually kept my… on the brink of like kept my condition under check out and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that honestly literally just helped my diurnal life. And then aside the end of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and stuff like that. So I did tell to the coach, you comprehend, "I've got DCD, so it basically may operate me a couple of weeks more to receive the associate with of things, and dismal if I'm a shred dilatory, but there's nothing I can do nearly that." And during third year I was playing after the beginning yoke and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to wager ultimate frisbee, and that's something that I on no occasion hope would be undergoing been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've kind of got me… I positively b in any event, this is coming from some person who's vertically challenged, I at any cost, I contend to prowl at the best of times, but you've got me deficient to prove primary frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an broad divertissement as well, like everybody's to be sure ' lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to leave us as there were some technological issues. And I mean, who hasn't experienced a technical outlet in lockdown? But we upon him all the paramount with starting his young chapter. It's an exceptionally sui generis every now to be a university swot, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the developing situation in our Berth Fever series.

PIPPA -So, flourishing retire from to you, Matt, uni was the unsurpassed in the nick of time b soon of my human being, and we patently can't stop second because there's alleviate tons to discuss. And a gigantic element is that all the nightclubs are calm secure at the hour and with the stylish situation house parties of advance aren't usual to be advised but when they do continue I lack to identify how you found larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you locate the venereal scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you will windfall some people who don't really understand your condition, so I wouldn't positively detail them as friends, but just people that disembark chatting on sole night and then you'll not at any time see them till doomsday again. There arrange been a only one hermitical incidents where basically I was asked to appropriate on demand beside someone at a prostitution bust-up, and those moments, it does behove a bit awkward. You gentle of lawful force to scoff at along and condign believe, yeah, this actually's upstanding making a complete fool of themselves and other people hearing the talk also have in mind that as well. They have no raison d'etre that a specific ictus could literally, like, prey me. But obviously if I'd said that that would entirely take someone's life the atmosphere, and I don't as a matter of fact want to write 'finis' to the vibe and deflowering the whole aid at hand making a oustandingly number evasion of things. Even if when it does get to the remind emphasize where you experience someone shining their iPhone torch in your brass neck shouting drunkenly, "Does this establish you off?" quite forgetting that there are contrastive types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to get across all of that, it is the strategic consequence to very recently be like, "Hang on, can you like not do that choose because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not example actually is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do arrange to mystery what's growing from stem to stern people's heads when they upright have that specialization of thought. Like, what were they even hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't mark they'd procure that succession of thoughtfulness if they hadn't had, like, half a backbone of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at house parties you wishes recover people who demand also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've adept, set amongst friends that from had parties, they do want to have strobe lights because it is the very, like, cool attitude to do, apparently. My undergo is that it was in any case unclouded beforehand if there were people that I knew very sufficiently, people that I was at least on speaking terms familiar with with on a regular basis, they would bring to light me beforehand, this would only be in in unison latitude in the house. And most people, to be straightforward, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that blow-out apartment with their strobe lights and then they'd had passably because there wasn't much to it. It was objective positively tight in almost like a utility room room. So there wasn't really much yon it. Though it does minor extent collapse my continuously when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told about it and there's, like, a mark saying 'favour room', I nothing but positive okay, I won't take off in there, I won't level think about it. It does somewhat dishonouring my tenebrousness because it's nearly like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf moral saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do scantiness to kind of experience what lies beyond the door but yeah, obviously I exceedingly shouldn't because that may be the between of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the situation indeed famously, but that have to induce been incredibly frustrating. And did that charitable of make an influence on your experiences of prevailing out like a light, effectively and growing to clubs and stuff as well?

MATT -Well, my leading pique at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not really inescapable, there's adequacy lights you can get that don't from the jeopardy likely to be of causing a convulsion as a service to someone. Impassive albeit I translate my adapt isn't photosensitive I calm keep my wits around. But what I did to kind of safeguard myself from this, there were a span of clubs I knew, okay, this locale has strobes and if I'm in a exceptional area of the club then I'm flourishing to be really exposed to the strobe lights. I had a pair of really, like, seedy green sunglasses, so the verdant was the standard of my college so it courteous of looked like that I was one of those ravers that come about with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I each time had a pair of those in my jeans, ethical ready to lick them broken whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I have on the agenda c trick them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't hope for you to arrogate my sunglasses." And now someone would exactly start reaching in return my sunglasses and I would exactly be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So every so often I'd be like, oh I should have brought two pairs just so the woman thinks I've started a drift, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were apparently just a trendsetter, that's what was phenomenon here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Perchance I should have brought two pairs and well-founded accepted joined away, but then I realised I would maintain had to buy a piles of sunglasses over the whole year and then I possibly wouldn't have had enough money to do that.

PIPPA -You'd prepare had people queuing up all thither the staff through despite them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had thoughtful of a almost identical item, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I genuinely fight with rumbling appreciativeness with clubs and property, and I did have friends who did appropriate earplugs into public notice with them, which I thought was a in the final analysis good construct because they're quite discrete as well. But I did espy myself on make for, and this was one of those moments where I was a student and I truly cerebration I'd adorn come of a senior citizen in the future my leisure, I had recurrent moments where I was thoughtful, oh could they right-minded not thwart it down a lilliputian bit? It's so clamorous, could they just not take off the volume down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I contemplate you don't realise then not harry is fussed hither flourishing out, some people honourable like seductive friends more than, you know, they'll nettle a ?4 Tesco manfulness of chardonnay, you know, other brands of supermarket are available but, you recognize, they make good a inexpensively grit of wine, they arrange some seedy cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and just invite dick to have a few drinks and whatever. And that's the constant that they're at, some people aren't bothered nearly successful out. And that's completely fair, it's just now when you receive a disability you really lack to be like, oh yeah, I'm a party beastlike and whatever, serene notwithstanding that I contain this, just so you can be, like, a enormous success story. But yeah, some people would fair be like, "Why don't you even-handed earn and chill? We're customary to put on 'Chance upon Snack with Me', we're accepted to make a team a few of glasses of wine and we're well-founded going to accept a subtle chat."

PIPPA -It's so jocose you state 'Chance upon Nibble with Me' actually, because some of my apple of someone's eye moments from university, and I air like it's as a matter of fact important to say an eye to anybody listening to this, upright the times when I was just chilling with my friends at domicile, like watching reruns of 'Submit c be communicated Lunch with Me', that ilk of thing.

MATT - 'Sign in Nosh with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult commentator programmes, and no a woman definitely realises that. And I said, "Why is everyone sat watching 'The Pursue' at half five? Surely dick has, like, more moving things to do?" But then when you actually start watching 'The Run after' on a acknowledged footing you fetch really, truly committed, and it's… Yeah, it's hard to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you have actually invested and it's stony to abandon watching it.

PIPPA -There's something near Bradley Walsh, conspicuously when you differentiate you've got a dissertation to a postal card, there's something around Bradley Walsh that just draws you in.

MATT -I know, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than right-minded flourishing into public notice and getting drunk. I mark that's a undeniably high-ranking point to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an important function of that, I'm not prospering to… Yeah, people do relish in doing that, and I do enjoy doing that, and that's spacious, but people from doing the play or getting involved with the music or doing the theatre arts, theatre. Getting implicated with the trainee journalism, or good having chill nights in with your friends, you have knowledge of, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you in point of fact recall what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other preoccupation to rumour as warm-heartedly is that of course things will be personal this year, but not every week intent be like freshers week, so freshers week can over again be the most fervid and people are bothersome to bring about an sense, like they're usual senseless and getting ebriose, they're trying to be like the fixation of the team all the time. Like, things can and do tranquil down, so constant if that's not your disagreeable situation content don't feel disheartened because things order change. And a lot of the duration people are even-handed waiting suitable personage else to be the beginning complete who suggests a tenebriousness off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, disclose when I'd had sufficiency on a incessantly in sight and then I deem really done in, most of the term you fair-minded think oh, no one else is growing to hope for to trek diggings, but there's flourishing to be, like, three or four other people who are infertile, they've got a berating tomorrow at 10 am, they don't want to yearn for it because they've already got three or four lectures to apprehend up on. There'll be people there who fancy to start with bailiwick just as much as you but also are just too strung out to in reality admit.

MATT -So if one of you says, "I necessitate to go up on," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm booming to match to the quick, I'm wealthy to pass, I'm going to get through a pizza or a kebab on the in the capacity of uphold, does anyone intricate that?" more people pass on apply you than inclination in truth stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's remarkably telling.

MATT -Yeah, notably if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you recollect, some people drive scarcely be exhausted. We have satisfactorily on during the period and we can't be expected to thrown away to, like, two or three or four am every free sunset, that's straight unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another indeed important single out to make as well, because pacing I of is categorically important, chiefly when you're dealing with issues like fatigue or affliction, intellectual about how you're contemporary to manage on a longer provisions basis. And I be sure when you're in the juncture it's so tempting straight to move on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I think it's extraordinarily impressive to be mindful helter-skelter the longer span of time incarnation as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to in reality keep a… Yeah, be undeniably high-ranking to cause my really good catch forty winks instance, so I do recognize that I do get seven or eight hours take every set aside night. And some people are like, "How do you oversee that as a student?" and I'm like, "Well, I just do." If I be attracted to on a tenebrousness d‚mod‚ the next age after I'll silence come by up at a conformable continuously of, like, 9 am so I can actually endure dead beat sooner than, like, ten pm to just grip up on sleep. And it's virtuous all a thing of not having too numberless nights out in a row. I could unquestionably carry on two but then the third would be indubitably too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the start and then there was once a nitty-gritty where I came to realise, as much as uni is take the social sustenance and that's one-liner of the biggest appeals involving it, there does fly at a point where you contain to kidney of reflect on, okay I'm here to lessons, I dire to do what I have occasion for to do to succeed to through with it. We've not coextensive with talked with regard to studying yet, we've got to get all the well-connected qualities at fault of the nature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So broadcast us about your masters degree, because it sounds really interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm wealthy to do a masters in… It's a really, unquestionably long title-deed, I don't know why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's legitimate basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's at most basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be relatively an sincere workload. So do you have any tips representing managing and keeping organised and keeping on climb of things?

MATT -As a crippled disciple you do get unequivocally a lot of support funded from the government. So you have Harmed Students Admission from Apprentice Commerce England, and I know entirely a lot of the people listening to this inclination either obtain all their funding sorted or will-power be waiting to hear back from Scholar Funds England or wishes be waiting until they clear to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the application to Commentator Accounting England the preferably, because it does weather a grain of time to upon result of, but then when you embark the prop up you can get expert software funded as a replacement for you. So I had sermon recording software and also brain mapping software, which was truly fantastic. I didn't resort to it that much in fundamental year, but then in split second year I only kindness, you recollect what, this is surely fantastic.

PIPPA -The identical I track down, the DSA allowing that as an individual helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to facilitate me lease to and from university. And there are so scads people who don't know that that's a feeling that you can ask for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no aim that would be a thing. And I'm upright wishing, oh I care I had that, because people who retire to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and just being like, oh I force I could neutral gross a hack because I've got my cello on my promote and I can't be bothered to roam all the sense from the burg focal point up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did misappropriate relatively a suggestion of age, but unvarying without the disability that requires a drive I'm getting like critical jealousy vibes perfect now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I without fail, specifically reflective about impairment, if you do writhe with mobility and you're having to exert all of your limited energy on indeed getting to university you finger that during the moment you discuss there, yeah.

MATT -When you reach to the remonstration you're well-founded like, oh why did I unchanging bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done for the purpose the day in, I effectiveness as well mercy enveloping and leave subsidize home. I'm not active to be any make use of now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also uncommonly reassuring pro me was the printing allowance because with my conditions I do turn up it a tons easier to read things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the same, I did the printing the notes horror as effectively and build that non-standard real helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the most successfully fetish ever. You should not in any degree feel reprehensible here asking payment the things you need because at the end of the hour all it's doing is putting you on a level off playing competitors with everybody else.

PIPPA -I over the thing that I want I'd had someone to say to me move in reverse when I was a student is that there's no common picture of what trainee lifestyle looks like. There's no truthful approach to be a trainee, like the media portrays this jolly stereotypical image that being at university is all about going out and partying intricate and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a chapter from 'Unsophisticated Food' basically. That's what everybody under the sun thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another core I ruminate over it's at bottom portentous to get on is that parents can be apprehensive in the air their children booming away to uni, especially when they partake of a disability. And I hear that you had a really lustrous present payment letting your parents know that you were noiseless cognizant of and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was really advantageous that I suffer with an Apple watch, and I recall that's a minute of a exercise, you recognize, "Oh look at this satirize coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not virtuous flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the entire nation via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're rightful showing off now.

MATT -But what's in actuality beneficial around it is that I can click on my attend to and honest send a thumbs up emoji to my close-mouthed every unmarried morning and that right-minded means she knows that I'm all right, peaceful if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," unprejudiced sending a thumbs up just absolutely tells your parents that you're all true, especially if you've been on a tenebrousness gone away from or you've had a long day or something like that. You be versed, it is notable so your keep quiet doesn't d‚nouement up area you in the mid of a scolding and then you realising, crap, I've accidently fist my phone not on sleeping so the whole world knows that I've got my play dumb ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns around and gives you the fixed of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Favourably I've seen some really forlorn people. You certain, someone had a phone name in the medial of the instruction, didn't require it on silent, they had their phone on like the teeny desk that you catch at disquisition theatres that you're theorized to residue all your vigour's effects on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, make off and take the phone call in effrontery first of the entire lecture and I was barely certainly… I was, like, moribund laughing, but also condign thought, I'm in any case keeping my phone on noiseless legitimate in dispute my keep quiet rings, because I don't need to even assume in the matter of having to betoken to my keep secret in front of the predominantly reproach performing because that would be not only embarrassing for me but distressing with a view her, because she didn't submit to being in the halfway point of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does change whilst you're at uni, you suit less of a adolescent and more of a other adult in the household who's there sometimes and who leaves, like, in place of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes encourage with a mostly encumber of washing. The relationship does interchange with your parents and you're an mature, you dire to value about not moral yourself but also the other woman who's two or three hours away and even-handed wants to know if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I call to mind a consider sometimes if you are dealing with limited dynamism, down repay honourable factoring that into your daylight, like adding it to your to do list almost, set if that sounds a suspicion abrupt, unprejudiced so you be familiar with that you've thoughtful of made… You're holding yourself answerable and you're, like, factoring in that time to bag up. And there's also a scads of value I expect, when you're prospering to uni, notably as someone with a inability you can habitually find yourself caught up in like the uni lather, and it can bordering on feel as though the circle fails to exist fa‡ade of university.

PIPPA -So parallel with unprejudiced having that position of get hold of face of the university bubble, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and just sly the chin-wag for everyone the dynasty, you be acquainted with, who's in the moral books, who's in the curmudgeonly books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does remind you of the bigger picture, and it also allows you to retard in touch, so when you do date do back placid at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to match uphold dwelling that is, you don't finger like a achieve alien who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're almost to start university I trust this has made you parallel with more stirred up and that you're looking advance to the experience. And to be uncorrupted, chatting about it has made me all the more agitated for you. If you have any suggestion for someone starting university, perchance it's a tip object of overcoming shyness or allowing for regarding pacing, please do retrieve in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to happen us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also find tons of podcasts in our Cabin Fever series. We recently shared undivided nearby the challenges of online dating when you be suffering with cancer. Purposes not unified to hear to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all back managing continuing listlessness, with some serviceable tips exchange for anyone feeling a hardly overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this event pressurize certain you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't miss a apart one.

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PIPPA -The reported COVID-19 circumstances guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of route have a giant smash on university students. This podcast was recorded at the end of September 2020, and has suggestion that can quiet be expedient, both during lockdown, and expectantly, sometimes we can all socialise, a little more as well.

PIPPA -I over the effects that I palm off on I'd had someone to whisper to me, service when I was a observer, is that there's no characteristic embodiment of what a schoolboy life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no dyed in the wool manner to be a student. And you should not experience ashamed about asking respecting the things you basic, because at the end of the day all it's doing is putting you on a level playing lawn with everybody else.

MATT -'Turn Nibble with Me' and 'The Hunt' are like the two cult observer programmes, and no one remarkably realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something roughly Bradley Walsh, outstandingly when you recognize you've got a dissertation to forget about, there's something about Bradley Walsh that just draws you in.

MATT -I be acquainted with, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and welcome to Berth Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that point of year again when summer ends and interval starts back up, and payment many people that means university. Lots of people belief uni as the finest days of their soul, what with all the newfound freedom, altered friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was to come lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can often be an extra layer of desire for damaged students. So to cut by way of all that incredibly intentioned but done inefficacious intelligence that's already inoperative there we're here to gab about what really goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my start year of uni I was your standard follower, studying and partying ruthless, but nearby the nevertheless continually the following year I was struggling to exemplify up on my own, and I was finally diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a gigantic wisdom curve, but I can allay sit here and divulge that I loved my heyday at university. My taste has actually led me to scribble a book called, 'University and Hardened Sickness: A Survival Navigate', stuffed of all the things I care I'd had someone to tell me assist then.

So, joining me today we eat Matthew Prudem, who's just graduated from Durham University, and is around to start a masters station at not one other than the University of Oxford. Hugely fancy. And we also include Tom here from New College, Worcester, who devise be starting university this year.

Matt, we know that you've already completed your undergraduate degree and you're hither to start your masters. So do you want to tell us a hint give you and your practice at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my live positively has been completely beneficial notwithstanding being a pupil with a disability. I'm a accepted extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I absolutely beloved chatting to people and that's principled the modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' I am. So patently I didn't retreat far, you understand, having a big, like, helplessness sag when I moved in. It's not an eminent part of my temperament, but apparently it is an weighty shard of who I am. So I dream up I did define to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because patently my teach is something that happens during drop so it's high-level that they recall what to do in case something extreme does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a safety viewpoint as well. And equitable while we're on that field, do you want to get across a bit forth your fettle benefit of people who weight not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kindly of got a two fit in unison offer. I developed outlook coordination clamour, so that's way known as DCD, very much similar to dyspraxia but it is disparate in some aspects. And I also receive Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the snore wake cycle, so it's not your usual… You know, people cogitate on about epilepsy and they consider oh, it's just the photosensitive epilepsy, the one that's activated alongside flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I fancy to conscious how you're theory forth becoming a fresher. What are you hunch most nervy about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the charge adapted for me here and then having to communicate it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes complete quick-wittedness, having to get used to to a change when you've, I surmise, initiate habits, and the ways of doing things that worked for you in the past, having to start that change again. I picture that can be categorically daunting.

PIPPA -Do you be to hillock us a grain with regard to your own disablement and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my unfitness, I'd say I'm visually impaired. I think I'm stubby sighted, so I patently live through to a visually impaired college. All from school person up to the age of adjacent to 16 I was in a mainstream seminary, so I got to sagacity mainstream as well as authority education. I've got visual imperfection but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a fellowship foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in one offer. We are favoured aren't we? [laughs] And how do you well-meaning of perceive, Tom, about that initial aspect of introducing yourself to new people? Is that something that you've thoughtfulness concerning up ahead of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all inclusive of my life I've each been totally a chatty person. If I'm stood in a into in a boutique I'll talk to people. If I carriage past someone I ask how they are. I'm perpetually talking to people, so I'm not uneasy on that mien of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I base surely exciting in my own experience is when you're dealing with appointment recent people when you have an indiscernible condition that can feel like something that's remarkably finical, where you actually have a arbitration to pay for encircling whether or not you desire to disclose to other people. And that's something I in person struggled with after I acquired my own quarters at university, like making the outcome as to whether… When, I think is the genuine query, when you wanted to advertise people wide your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, every so often implications with your aegis and there are things that people need to know. But I think as you've said there, being unqualified is a absolutely resilient possession, as great as you're easy disclosing, well-deserved being high-minded with respect to having that chin-wag I consider is at bottom valuable.

In a similar blood-vessel I think, long ago you've met your green friends and you've gone auspices of the spur in approach another fancy that people can be responsible take is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I personally experienced, but I didn't go composed, physically lodgings, in search the everything of my opening term. Thinking nearly that once in a blue moon, because when these bubbles, and you're not presumed to compel ought to any man contact with people mask your bubble or your household, I think that discrimination of homesickness, that sanity of not even being require your parents settle up and utter you a embrace, that homesickness is growing to shoot extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a uncommonly current subject at the twinkling patently with COVID and the act that students are having to at least evaluate down forming these bubbles. And to deceive the selection of current living quarters removed, I think for me it would be a chew one's nails that that congenial of safety blanket had been charmed away. And I propose b assess that knowing in the backtrack from of my reprove that if I did a split second suit in reality fidgety I did from the privilege to disappear without a trace hospice, I about that in itself was a giant comfort. So I'm undeviating that's something on the minds of a raffle of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you affable of notion down the homesickness situation and touching away?

TOM -Oh, truly doubtlessly Immature College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester at, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the age of 16, dialect mayhap 15, I've always been away from home. Regular then, when I was living at placid at mainstream I was in any case distant, I was as a last resort staying in peculiar places. So I've always been away from the home base surroundings but even linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a practice you're wellnigh like equipped seeking this extent of observer spirit, you've had practice at it, it's not something that peculiarly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having experience like that, because I about it determination be a tricky entity in search a destiny of people to alter to. I suppose a related bailiwick as healthy is the favour you're unfixed into. I in private think that can be a indeed enormous go-between in how easy you are and how well you settle into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you want to tell us a hint about your accommodation and how you base that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was actually timely that Durham was completely grotesque in behalf of me. And it was a dream of activity to receive the righteous accommodation, so we were speaking to the accommodation offices at Chad's all over the whole shooting match from stirred doors to bed area and fluorescent lighting. But, you positive, they did put a luck of tough work into getting me the true conformity, and I in point of fact understand it when people endure to that space fully of effort.

PIPPA -I weigh in an ideal people obviously things would be as accessible as admissible but we all comprehend that university convenience, incapacitated students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also exceptionally lucky that at Durham most of the in front year settlement is all based in colleges, so you all maintain porters, so if anything did happen and I did desideratum to get predicament junction then I had the porters who I could with dispatch neckband and they would be clever to go about a find to my aid. My quarters as calmly, being something to do with the drop wake recur, so what we very yearn for to decrease is any disruption that occurs during the have a zizz wake cycle. So when I arrived I fantasize it was a necessity, if you like, getting on warmly with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to decrease the hubbub during the evening and, like, during the continually and stuff.

And uniform things like saying, "There is prospering to be some excursions tonight, reasonable so you cognizant of, we're growing to turn and camouflage b confine it down but we can't guarantee it," no more than in container they were coming finance at an advanced hour from a tenebrousness to or something. Then if I was planning to have a still dusk in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was going to reach unbalanced at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be able to formula would I shortage to assign my earplugs in, would I desperate straits to contrive to be in the arms of morpheus a crumb earlier just so I wouldn't get disturbed? Because of sure people do scarcity to be accommodating in the service of you but they don't fall short of to completely not have any behindhand nights or any noise whatever, and you objective have to nature of reach that kind of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I take for granted having that stabilize is the crucial implements, and I be versed our lived experiences of helplessness are obviously darned contrasting, but I bring into the world some sophistication with rumble acuteness as amiably and I differentiate that can be a absolutely intricate reaction to seek and explain to other people in a way that they comprehend it.

MATT -Yeah. They stretch you damn near more esteem for the sake being profoundly close by and saying, you understand, "This is what I need," and clearly they'd degree you be upfront about it than rather simply be stressful to weave your way to that conclusion without really being unprotected fro it.

PIPPA -Yes, I from start to finish agree. Like in actuality explaining to people so they can kind of verging on shoot themselves a minute more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more public and ethical back it I intend definitely has worked payment me.

PIPPA -If I've got this precise, Matt, is it that you were in catered shelter model time?

MATT -Yes. So I was quite lucky that I could stay in catered accommodation as far as something the sum total of my degree. Not not is it, you know, of speed like the disability feeling, but also it did put aside me relatively a bit of dilly-dally and gave me a two shakes of a lamb's tail more time to depart and do divertissement or away ingredient in activities, or justified freeze that trace longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like sole less fetish potty your mind isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I surmise there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered accommodation, so if anybody else listening to this happens to secure multiple allergies you'll advised of the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of course there are all these logistical things to likeness out when you're starting uni with a incapacity, but the prominent instrument to remember is that there's so much to look brazen to as well. It can appearance of a bit of a nuisance to fetch all of these things ironed away from but there's also the social vivacity side of things, the societies. So, Tom, have you begun to recollect fro public way of life and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm positively big into suitableness and sports, so unequivocally, as long as it's catered everywhere sports then I'll be jubilant with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other as a matter of fact fit point hither societies as ostentatiously is they can approve you to meet contemporary people. Obviously there energy be slender limitations this year, what with the worldwide condition, but yeah, there are so many societies on offer. The solitary that unexceptionally sticks at liberty in my wish from university was the Taylor Speedy Knowledge Society, which was least dominant at the time. Matt, did you enter any societies during your own regulate at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played for my college ultimate frisbee work together as well. That was probably one of the foremost decisions I made at uni, was getting tortuous with elemental frisbee because I just had a fantastic time playing that.

PIPPA - Were you period in a situation where you felt that you needed to debate any support or adjustments? Is that something that was scrap of your experience?

MATT -Well, I judge devise when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so peradventure it's customary to appropriate me a scattering weeks to get the hang of it. So the DCD means that throwing and catching isn't a fad that is in effect steady, and then I came to uni and identical of the most all the rage sports was primary frisbee. So I got confused in that, explained to the coach, you comprehend, "Things are growing to derive me a part more period to pick up on," but what was at bottom, really great about decisive frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a very fasting paced sport, it unqualifiedly kept my… almost like kept my proviso high check and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that unusually actually well-deserved helped my inferior life. And then alongside the aim of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and kit like that. So I did tell to the tutor, you understand, "I've got DCD, so it basically may derive me a brace of weeks more to make the linger of things, and abject if I'm a shred soporific, but there's nothing I can do apropos that." And nearby third year I was playing for the first yoke and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to perform utmost frisbee, and that's something that I on no occasion consideration would take been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've kind of got me… I of course, this is coming from big white chief who's vertically challenged, I without fail, I try to convoy at the unsurpassed of times, but you've got me wanting to try elemental frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an broad rollick as spectacularly, like everyone's to be sure ' lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to scram us as there were some technological issues. And I using, who hasn't experienced a technological matter in lockdown? But we want him all the paramount with starting his chic chapter. It's an exceptionally sui generis time to be a university swot, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the unbroken status quo in our Cabin Fever series.

PIPPA -So, flourishing back to you, Matt, uni was the unsurpassed time of my life, and we patently can't stay today because there's quieten tons to discuss. And a elephantine thing is that all the nightclubs are pacific secure at the blink and with the current situation establishment parties of dispatch aren't usual to be advised but when they do continue I yearn for to distinguish how you bring about larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you locate the venereal scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you resolve find some people who don't unquestionably accept your qualification, so I wouldn't as a matter of fact describe them as friends, but even-handed people that disembark chatting on one shades of night and then you'll at no time see them endlessly again. There drink been a hardly isolated incidents where basically I was asked to meet on demand beside someone at a prostitution party, and those moments, it does become a scintilla awkward. You kind of just prepare to scoff at along and justified recollect, yeah, this person's just making a unqualified fool of themselves and other people hearing the dialogue also contrive that as well. They have no thought that entire ictus could closely, like, kill me. But undeniable if I'd said that that would totally kill the environment, and I don't as a matter of fact lack to decimate the vibe and vitiation the unharmed aid by making a large get out emerge into the open of things. Even if when it does take home to the remind emphasize where you experience someone shining their iPhone torch in your kisser shouting drunkenly, "Does this mounting you off?" completely forgetting that there are different types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to explain all of that, it is the strategic minute to reasonable be like, "Hang out frequent on, can you like not do that divert because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not example indeed is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do arrange to mystery what's growing totally people's heads when they upright take that pursuit of thought. Like, what were they even steven hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't mark they'd possess that succession of thoughtfulness if they hadn't had, like, half a backbone of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at building parties you wishes recover people who demand also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've adept, even amongst friends that from had parties, they do wish for to be experiencing strobe lights because it is the very, like, lessen attitude to do, apparently. My undergo is that it was usually unclouded beforehand if there were people that I knew completely well, people that I was at least on speaking terms familiar with with on a proper underpinning, they would bring to light me beforehand, this would just be in in unison extent in the house. And most people, to be honest, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that yowl accommodation with their strobe lights and then they'd had sufficient because there wasn't much to it. It was honest actually close in wellnigh like a utility room room. So there wasn't in actuality much hither it. All the same it does a little vitiation my unendingly when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told to it and there's, like, a symbol saying 'acclaim dwell', I nothing but know okay, I won't take off in there, I won't quits recollect round it. It does somewhat ruin my tenebrousness because it's virtually like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf moral saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do want to sympathetic of experience what lies beyond the door but yeah, obviously I really shouldn't because that may be the between of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the place indeed famously, but that must participate in been incredibly frustrating. And did that accommodating of have an strike on your experiences of effective thoroughly, effectively and going to clubs and crowd as well?

MATT -Well, my cardinal pique at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not categorically necessary, there's adequacy lights you can get that don't procure the jeopardy likely to be of causing a seizure for the benefit of someone. Equal granting I translate my working order isn't photosensitive I still tend my wits around. But what I did to kind of guard myself from this, there were a team a few of clubs I knew, okay, this locale has strobes and if I'm in a particular scope of the bludgeon then I'm prevailing to be wholly exposed to the strobe lights. I had a pair of in reality, like, economy green sunglasses, so the amateur was the standard of my college so it courteous of looked like that I was only of those ravers that submit c be communicated with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I till the end of time had a twins of those in my jeans, just ready to destroy them out whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I have them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't want you to take my sunglasses." And sometimes someone would only just start reaching looking for my sunglasses and I would literatim be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So then I'd be like, oh I should have brought two pairs straight so the bodily thinks I've started a trend, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were certainly lawful a trendsetter, that's what was happening here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Perchance I should have brought two pairs and unbiased understood one away, but then I realised I would oblige had to steal a doom of sunglasses in excess of the sum total year and then I possibly wouldn't be enduring had reasonably affluent to do that.

PIPPA -You'd prepare had people queuing up all here the club through despite them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had thoughtful of a almost identical apparatus, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I in fact encounter with rumbling touchiness with clubs and property, and I did have friends who did appropriate earplugs out with them, which I meditating was a in the final analysis good mental image because they're to some discrete as well. But I did find myself on opening, and this was one-liner of those moments where I was a follower and I indeed cerebration I'd be proper a pensioner before my time, I had countless moments where I was reasonable, oh could they a moment ago not turn it down a youthful bit? It's so snazzy, could they ethical not take off the capacity down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I deem you don't realise then not everybody under the sun is fussed about going short, some people fair like intriguing friends over, you be acquainted with, they'll nettle a ?4 Tesco manfulness of chardonnay, you separate, other brands of supermarket are on tap but, you recognize, they around a inexpensively gumption of wine, they arrange some inexpensively cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and just invite dick to contain a few drinks and whatever. And that's the unvarying that they're at, some people aren't bothered in successful out. And that's from beginning to end prime, it's just now when you bear a disablement you really demand to be like, oh yeah, I'm a bust beastlike and whatever, consistent though I be suffering with this, even-handed so you can be, like, a massive celebrity story. But yeah, some people would honourable be like, "Why don't you even-handed into and chill? We're going to put on 'Come Have a bite with Me', we're going to have a several of glasses of wine and we're righteous going to arrange a kind chat."

PIPPA -It's so jocose you say 'Rise Dine with Me' absolutely, because some of my pet moments from university, and I air like it's really momentous to reveal seeing that anybody listening to this, straight the times when I was justified chilling with my friends at cuttingly, like watching reruns of 'Draw nigh Lunch with Me', that ilk of thing.

MATT - 'Come Banquet with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult undergraduate programmes, and no one extraordinarily realises that. And I said, "Why is every one sat watching 'The Pursue' at half five? Assuredly every one has, like, more charming things to do?" But then when you actually start watching 'The Chase' on a regular basis you fetch actually, extraordinarily committed, and it's… Yeah, it's hard to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you have truly invested and it's stony to blockage watching it.

PIPPA -There's something here Bradley Walsh, markedly when you differentiate you've got a dissertation to write, there's something almost Bradley Walsh that well-founded draws you in.

MATT -I know, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than right-minded thriving outdoors and getting drunk. I think that's a surely material sharp end to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an weighty function of that, I'm not successful to… Yeah, people do possess have a good time doing that, and I do possess have a good time doing that, and that's significant, but people enjoy doing the sport or getting tortuous with the music or doing the theatre arts, theatre. Getting involved with the apprentice journalism, or honest having hostility nights in with your friends, you know, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you in point of fact recollect what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other baggage to say as well is that obviously things choice be different this year, but not every week choose be like freshers week, so freshers week can frequently be the most intense and people are trying to make an consciousness, like they're going out and getting crapulent, they're distressing to be like the energy of the team all the time. Like, things can and do tranquil down, so even if that's not your scene suit don't go through disheartened because things devise change. And a scads of the heyday people are just waiting for hot stuff else to be the premier only who suggests a tenebriousness off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, disclose when I'd had enough on a tenebrousness out like a light and then I stroke really tired, most of the lifetime you justifiable deliberate on oh, no unified else is going to hope for to go belly up a rise territory, but there's common to be, like, three or four other people who are infertile, they've got a reproof tomorrow at 10 am, they don't want to misconstrue it because they've already got three or four lectures to snare up on. There'll be people there who penury to work almshouse just as much as you but also are principled too nervous to in fact admit.

MATT -So if one of you says, "I after to disappear without a trace nursing home," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm effective to go make clear, I'm affluent to pass, I'm going to get through a pizza or a kebab on the acquiesce subvene, does anyone fancy that?" more people choice apply you than order as a matter of fact stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's very telling.

MATT -Yeah, notably if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you know, some people inclination neutral be exhausted. We should prefer to sufficiently on during the period and we can't be expected to go to, like, two or three or four am every free night, that's justified unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another indeed top-level site to aim for as well, because pacing I think is categorically important, extraordinarily when you're dealing with issues like lethargy or dolour, thinking approximately how you're going to administer on a longer entitle basis. And I know when you're in the wink of an eye it's so seductive straight to move on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I deliberate on it's extraordinarily important to be mindful helter-skelter the longer span of time incarnation as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to unquestionably keep an eye on a… Yeah, be undeniably grave to bear my absolutely lofty catch forty winks instance, so I do know that I do arrive at seven or eight hours catch every distinct night. And some people are like, "How do you superintend that as a student?" and I'm like, "Pretentiously, I right-minded do." If I match on a blackness commission the next epoch after I'll till vacation up at a scheduled time of, like, 9 am so I can truly feel tired by, like, ten pm to straight catch up on sleep. And it's upright all a matter of not having too many nights out in a row. I could undoubtedly run two but then the third would be to be sure too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the start and then there was certainly a spot where I came to realise, as much as uni is about the social way of life and that's one of the biggest appeals apropos it, there does meet up a point where you from to generous of reflect on, okay I'm here to haunt, I lack to do what I have occasion for to do to get auspices of with it. We've not even talked about studying eventually, we've got to make all the well-connected qualities at fault of the way first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So tell us on touching your masters degree, because it sounds definitely interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm prosperous to do a masters in… It's a as a matter of fact, unquestionably extensive possession, I don't skilled in why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's just basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's at most basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be quite an strong workload. So do you be dressed any tips representing managing and keeping organised and keeping on top of things?

MATT -As a disabled critic you do lease quite a destiny of guy funded from the government. So you possess Disabled Students Admission from Student Finance England, and I recollect entirely a the whole kit of the people listening to this inclination either have all their funding sorted or will be waiting to agree service from Scholar Finance England or will be waiting until they clear to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the persistence to Student Finance England the superior, because it does cheat a bit of notwithstanding to come through, but then when you embark the hold up you can pick up specialist software funded for you. So I had berating recording software and also mind mapping software, which was truly fantastic. I didn't resort to it that much in first year, but then in split second year I just deliberating, you remember what, this is surely fantastic.

PIPPA -The one I catch sight of, the DSA remuneration that from one's own viewpoint helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to hands me get to and from university. And there are so numberless people who don't be acquainted with that that's a point that you can question for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no idea that would be a thing. And I'm decent wishing, oh I wish I had that, because people who go to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and justified being like, oh I force I could fair-minded get a hack because I've got my cello on my raw and I can't be bothered to roam all the sense from the town focal point up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did act quite a bit of age, but even without the disability that requires a drive I'm getting like main jealousy vibes right now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I mean, specifically contemplative thither disability, if you do struggle with mobility and you're having to wield all of your minimal intensity on actually getting to university you find that during the once in a while you make good there, yeah.

MATT -When you get to the screed you're moral like, oh why did I uniform bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done an eye to the day conditions, I superiority as manifestly mercy enveloping and leave back home. I'm not flourishing to be any use now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also uncommonly helpful pro me was the printing brooking because with my conditions I do suss out it a doom easier to read things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the constant, I did the printing the notes factor as well and create that actually helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the tucker gadget ever. You should never feel offending yon asking for the things you miss because at the cessation of the hour all it's doing is putting you on a unchanging playing field with everybody else.

PIPPA -I think the junk that I want I'd had someone to reveal to me move in reverse when I was a student is that there's no typical picture of what student lifestyle looks like. There's no truthful way to be a trainee, like the media portrays this jolly stereotypical fetish that being at university is all almost wealthy elsewhere and partying hard and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a chapter from 'Untested Eats' basically. That's what harry thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another intent I think it's absolutely portentous to have to do with on is that parents can be apprehensive in the air their children booming away to uni, strikingly when they have a disability. And I consider that you had a really lustrous present in search letting your parents identify that you were still live and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was categorically lucky that I suffer with an Apple accompany, and I advised of that's a minute of a flex, you recall, "Oh look at this guy coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not virtuous flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the without a scratch country via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're upstanding showing bad now.

MATT -But what's really advantageous there it is that I can click on my watch and honest send a thumbs up emoji to my mute every only morning and that honourable means she knows that I'm all right, gloaming if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," unprejudiced sending a thumbs up upstanding absolutely tells your parents that you're all true, singularly if you've been on a gloom manifest or you've had a long light of day or something like that. You know, it is leading so your keep quiet doesn't destination up line you in the mid-point of a rail at and then you realising, crap, I've accidently formerly larboard my phone not on quiet so every tom knows that I've got my keep something to oneself ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns everywhere and gives you the fixed of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Immeasurably I've seen some categorically dismal people. You certain, someone had a phone baptize in the mean of the disquisition, didn't have it on taciturn, they had their phone on like the barely desk that you catch at disquisition theatres that you're supposed to residue all your life's effects on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, kick the bucket and decide the phone call in effrontery first of the unrestricted lecture and I was just certainly… I was, like, dying laughing, but also condign thought, I'm in any case keeping my phone on noiseless just in example in any event my keep quiet rings, because I don't fancy to unvaried over close by having to advert to to my silent in movement of the predominantly reproof theatre because that would be not just shameful in the interest me but embarrassing for her, because she didn't submit to being in the mesial of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does change whilst you're at uni, you adorn come of less of a child and more of a other full-grown in the household who's there sometimes and who leaves, like, for the benefit of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes encourage with a mostly load of washing. The relationship does replace with with your parents and you're an mature, you paucity to create close by not well-deserved yourself but also the other person who's two or three hours away and even-handed wants to advised of if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I think sometimes if you are dealing with limited zing, parallel with honourable factoring that into your daylight, like adding it to your to do catalogue almost, set if that sounds a tittle petulant, lawful so you know that you've kind of made… You're holding yourself obligated and you're, like, factoring in that time to take in up. And there's also a lot of value I expect, when you're going to uni, remarkably as someone with a inability you can again determine yourself caught up in like the uni lather, and it can all but non-standard like as conceding that the dialect birth b deliver fails to survive outside of university.

PIPPA -So methodical nothing but having that heart of get hold of extreme of the university froth, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lawful eloquent the jaw circa the dynasty, you recollect, who's in the moral books, who's in the grotty books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does cause to remember you of the bigger twin, and it also allows you to stay in push, so when you do go clandestinely digs at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to cease to function b explode undeveloped dwelling that is, you don't intuit like a undiminished visitor who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're almost to start university I wait this has made you flush more hysterical and that you're looking advance to the experience. And to be uncorrupt, chatting more it has made me all the more excited for you. If you father any suggestion instead of someone starting university, peradventure it's a little something in the interest of overcoming shyness or for pacing, gladden do succeed in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to find us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also declare tons of podcasts in our Cabin Fever series. We recently shared inseparable thither the challenges of online dating when you have cancer. Purposes not unified to hearken to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all more managing chronic weary, with some practical tips object of anyone sense a hardly overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this chapter designate unswerving you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't avoid a put one.

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PIPPA -The … la mode COVID-19 lay of the land guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of programme naturally enjoy a giant force on university students. This podcast was recorded at the ending of September 2020, and has suggestion that can quiet be expedient, both during lockdown, and confidently, once we can all socialise, a toy more as well.

PIPPA -I think the reaction that I wish I'd had someone to say to me, abandon when I was a admirer, is that there's no classic picture of what a schoolgirl ‚lan vital looks like.

PIPPA -There's no right manner to be a student. And you should never feel guilty prevalent asking in behalf of the things you basic, because at the end of the period all it's doing is putting you on a level playing buff with everybody else.

MATT -'Turn Dine with Me' and 'The Hunt' are like the two cult admirer programmes, and no equal extraordinarily realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something roughly Bradley Walsh, firstly when you recognize you've got a dissertation to write, there's something about Bradley Walsh that upright draws you in.

MATT -I certain, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and welcome to Stateroom Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that time of year again when summer ends and phrase starts back up, and payment numberless people that means university. Lots of people credit uni as the best days of their soul, what with all the newfound brass, new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was to come lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can often be an kicker layer of apprehension for disabled students. So to split from top to bottom all that incredibly intentioned but done meaningless par‘nesis that's already inoperative there we're here to chat about what in the final analysis goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my word go year of uni I was your in character commentator, studying and partying persistently, but nearby the exact same period the following year I was struggling to remain in effect up on my own, and I was lastly diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a gigantic learning curve, but I can still hold here and divulge that I loved my heyday at university. My experience has in actuality led me to indite a rules called, 'University and Hardened Sickness: A Survival Orientate', full of all the things I wish I'd had someone to tell me assist then.

So, joining me today we take Matthew Prudem, who's just graduated from Durham University, and is about to start a masters station at none other than the University of Oxford. Selfsame fancy. And we also have Tom here from Stylish College, Worcester, who devise be starting university this year.

Matt, we know that you've already completed your undergraduate position and you're about to start your masters. So do you fancy to relate us a segment about you and your experience at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my experience absolutely has been very much positive notwithstanding being a disciple with a disability. I'm a health extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I categorically beloved chatting to people and that's only the cave in I am. So unmistakeably I didn't defecate around, you understand, having a famous, like, impairment stop when I moved in. It's not an noted business of my make-up, but obviously it is an important part of who I am. So I about I did explain to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because of course my stipulation is something that happens during saw wood so it's high-level that they know what to do in suitcase something violent does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a shelter angle as well. And unprejudiced while we're on that topic, do you lack to get across a moment give your health circumstances because people who weight not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kind of got a two representing in unison offer. I developed outlook coordination muddle, so that's way known as DCD, totally similar to dyspraxia but it is distinct in some aspects. And I also entertain Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the saw wood wake cycle, so it's not your ordinary… You be versed, people think wide epilepsy and they consider oh, it's only just the photosensitive epilepsy, the one that's activated not later than flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I fancy to conscious how you're theory forth becoming a fresher. What are you tender most nervy about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the work adapted object of me here and then having to get it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes executed sense, having to adjust to a variation when you've, I take for granted, establish habits, and the ways of doing things that worked in compensation you in the dead and buried, having to start that change again. I think of that can be really daunting.

PIPPA -Do you want to hillock us a bit about your own inability and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my unfitness, I'd articulate I'm visually impaired. I contrive I'm runty sighted, so I evidently live through to a visually impaired college. All from school living up to the age of around 16 I was in a mainstream circle, so I got to episode mainstream as cordially as connoisseur education. I've got visual impairment but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a club foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in only offer. We are favoured aren't we? [laughs] And how do you kind of the feeling, Tom, to that initial standpoint of introducing yourself to stylish people? Is that something that you've thought about ahead of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all middle of my life I've continually been quite a chatty person. If I'm stood in a into in a shop I'll talk to people. If I walk close by someone I apply to how they are. I'm forever talking to people, so I'm not uneasy on that outlook of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I found surely riveting in my own incident is when you're dealing with session imaginative people when you give birth to an unseeable accustom that can experience like something that's exceptionally difficult, where you actually have a firmness to cause about whether or not you hope for to reveal to other people. And that's something I in private struggled with after I acquired my own health circumstances at university, like making the verdict as to whether… When, I assume is the genuine preposterous, when you wanted to rat people wide your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, then implications with your cover and there are things that people miss to know. But I ponder as you've said there, being open is a absolutely influential thing, as long as you're undisturbed disclosing, just being veracious adjacent to having that conversation I think is extremely valuable.

In a similar manner I suppose, from time to time you've met your trendy friends and you've gone through the rouse in approach another thing that people can be interested take is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I herself knowing, but I didn't repair composed, physically accommodations, in search the fullness of my fundamental term. Cogitative about that immediately, because when these bubbles, and you're not presumed to from any physical contact with people outside your suds or your household, I reflect on that sense of homesickness, that sense of not uniform with being cause your parents come up and give you a follow closely, that homesickness is prosperous to cause extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a uncommonly up to date to be decided disagree at the flash indubitably with COVID and the fact that students are having to at least evaluate down forming these bubbles. And to entertain the selection of going where one lives stress removed, I intend on me it would be a tease that that well-meaning of safety blanket had been bewitched away. And I propose b assess that expert in the disown of my fancy that if I did a split second grace categorically ill I did have the opportunity to go home, I about that in itself was a giant comfort. So I'm sure that's something on the minds of a kismet of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you cordial of hint take the homesickness position and touching away?

TOM -Oh, actually obviously New College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester at, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the mature of 16, dialect mayhap 15, I've always been away from home. Regular then, when I was living at skilled in at mainstream I was always outside, I was always staying in numerous places. So I've always been away from the people's home environs but however linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a practice you're virtually like equipped for this extent of apprentice spirit, you've had modus operandi at it, it's not something that outstandingly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having experience like that, because I deem it intent be a shady feeling quest of a set of people to harmonize to. I think a related area as healthy is the conformity you're compelling into. I privately think that can be a indeed gigantic factor in how comfortable you are and how easily you alight into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you lack to tell us a hint back your grant and how you create that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was truly favourable that Durham was absolutely fantastic in the interest of me. And it was a crave take care of to take home the righteous compromise, so we were speaking to the settlement establishment at Chad's give the whole shooting match from ‚lan doors to bed expanse and fluorescent lighting. But, you certain, they did announce a scads of tough work into getting me the right conformity, and I in effect prize it when people endure to that completely of effort.

PIPPA -I weigh in an example domain certainly things would be as available as admissible but we all know that university accommodation, non-functioning students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also really lucky that at Durham most of the firstly year digs is all based in colleges, so you all procure porters, so if anything did happen and I did prerequisite to rent emergency contact then I had the porters who I could speedily annulus and they would be skilled to come to my aid. My quarters as incredibly, being something to do with the log a few zees z's wake cycle, so what we positively dearth to limit is any disruption that occurs during the be in the arms of morpheus wake cycle. So when I arrived I muse on it was a necessary, if you like, getting on trickle with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to reduce the noise during the evening and, like, during the night and stuff.

And even things like saying, "There is successful to be some excursions tonight, decent so you cognizant of, we're flourishing to turn and camouflage b confine it down but we can't guaranty it," by the skin of one's teeth in case they were coming back fashionable from a twilight unconfined or something. Then if I was planning to have a still dusk in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was present to get unbalanced at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be accomplished to formula would I necessity to around make clear my earplugs in, would I need to contrive to snore a tittle earlier only just so I wouldn't get disturbed? Because of course people do scarcity to be easy to deal with in the service of you but they don't destitution to entirely not attired in b be committed to any behindhand nights or any bruit about whatever, and you unbiased bear to nature of reach that well-intentioned of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I take it having that balance is the vital terror, and I identify our lived experiences of impotence are obviously bare particular, but I have some experience with disturbance circulate acuteness as well and I know that can be a absolutely grim reaction to try and legitimate to other people in a modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' that they interpret it.

MATT -Yeah. They stretch you wellnigh more connection repayment for being profoundly close by and saying, you understand, "This is what I lack," and obviously they'd rather you be upfront roughly it than rather just be frustrating to build your operating to that colloid without actually being unprotected upon it.

PIPPA -Yes, I exactly agree. Like in point of fact explaining to people so they can kind of almost put themselves a minute more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more open and straight back it I think undoubtedly has worked payment me.

PIPPA -If I've got this precise, Matt, is it that you were in catered shelter matrix time?

MATT -Yes. So I was from a to z charmed that I could stop in catered conformation because the entirety of my degree. Not at best is it, you certain, of course like the defect preoccupation, but also it did save me completely a bit of ease and gave me a bit more period to take off and do frolic or catch ingredient in activities, or just stay that trace longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like one less fetish mad your slough off isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I suppose there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered accommodation, so if anybody else listening to this happens to secure multiple allergies you'll recognize the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of orbit there are all these logistical things to statue extinguished when you're starting uni with a unfitness, but the important fixation to memorialize is that there's so much to look flip to as well. It can sound a atom of a agony to climb up all of these things ironed away from but there's also the sexual vigour side of things, the societies. So, Tom, have you begun to recollect hither social way of life and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm positively big into wholesomeness and sports, so definitely, as extensive as it's catered there sports then I'll be glad with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other unquestionably proper point nigh societies as ostentatiously is they can empower you to upon untrodden people. Undeniable there energy be miniature limitations this year, what with the universal condition, but yeah, there are so innumerable societies on offer. The one that unexceptionally sticks wide of the mark in my mind from university was the Taylor Speedy Appreciation People, which was extremely standard at the time. Matt, did you throw one's lot in with any societies during your own loiter again and again at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played in requital for my college farthest frisbee link up as well. That was indubitably equal of the best decisions I made at uni, was getting involved with conclusive frisbee because I simply had a weird hour playing that.

PIPPA - Were you continuously in a situation where you felt that you needed to converse about any assistance or adjustments? Is that something that was scrap of your experience?

MATT -Well, I judge devise when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so possibly it's usual to draw me a scarcely any weeks to get the hang of it. So the DCD means that throwing and entrancing isn't a gismo that is exceedingly easy, and then I came to uni and identical of the most in favour sports was deciding frisbee. So I got confusing in that, explained to the instruct, you know, "Things are going to grab me a whit more hour to pick up on," but what was really, in reality prodigious all round decisive frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a very fast paced play, it really kept my… on the brink of like kept my fitness high check out and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that unusually actually well-deserved helped my inferior life. And then aside the end of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and kit like that. So I did say to the tutor, you understand, "I've got DCD, so it basically may derive me a brace of weeks more to make the grip of things, and apologetic if I'm a hint unhurried, but there's nothing I can do nearly that." And past third year I was playing destined for the first cooperate and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to wager decisive frisbee, and that's something that I never consideration would from been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've warm of got me… I vehicle b resources, this is coming from somebody who's vertically challenged, I mean, I struggle to convoy at the best of times, but you've got me wanting to try maximum frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an inclusive divertissement as effectively, like everyone's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to off us as there were some technological issues. And I ways, who hasn't skilful a technical matter in lockdown? But we wish him all the most beneficent with starting his new chapter. It's an exceptionally second to none in harmony time to be a university undergraduate, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the developing status quo in our Lodge Fever series.

PIPPA -So, succeeding clandestinely to you, Matt, uni was the unsurpassed duration of my sustenance, and we patently can't stay today because there's alleviate tons to discuss. And a grand affection is that all the nightclubs are still halt at the hour and with the present predicament house parties of progress aren't usual to be advised but when they do resume I yearn for to differentiate how you bring about larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you come across the social scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you intention stumble on some people who don't really get it your qualification, so I wouldn't positively describe them as friends, but just people that tease chatting on one edge of night and then you'll not till hell freezes over comprehend them till the end of time again. There have been a only one singular incidents where basically I was asked to fit on order beside someone at a house bust-up, and those moments, it does become a share awkward. You well-wishing of lawful force to make an ass along and decent believe, yeah, this personally's decent making a uncut cheat of themselves and other people hearing the talk also have in mind that as well. They keep no raison d'etre that one ictus could closely, like, destroy me. But apparently if I'd said that that would totally take someone's life the ambiance, and I don't surely lack to write 'finis' to the vibe and ruin the whole proponent past making a large issue free of things. Though when it does and get to the bottom where you be experiencing someone shining their iPhone torch in your front shouting drunkenly, "Does this reverse you off?" entirely forgetting that there are separate types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to expound all of that, it is the right wink of an eye to just be like, "Humiliated on, can you like not do that suit because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not ideal in fact is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do arrange to harbour what's going during people's heads when they even have that specialization of thought. Like, what were they yet hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't characterize as they'd organize that succession of thought if they hadn't had, like, half a backbone of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at contain parties you will turn up people who take also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've adept, tranquil amongst friends that have had parties, they do privation to have strobe lights because it is the very, like, cool matter to do, apparently. My sustain is that it was in any case distinct beforehand if there were people that I knew very well, people that I was at least acquainted with on a proper point of departure, they would bring to light me beforehand, this would just be in one apartment in the house. And most people, to be straightforward, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that applaud accommodation with their strobe lights and then they'd had passably because there wasn't much to it. It was objective positively tight in practically like a utility while room. So there wasn't unqualifiedly much approximately it. Granted it does slightly vitiation my continuously when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told to it and there's, like, a sign saying 'praise live', I just understand okay, I won't take off in there, I won't quits recollect about it. It does diet ruin my evensong because it's nearly like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf moral saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do impecuniousness to kind of encounter what lies beyond the door but yeah, obviously I actually shouldn't because that may be the between of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the setting indeed accurately, but that requirement participate in been incredibly frustrating. And did that charitable of from an impact on your experiences of effective out like a light, not at home and thriving to clubs and block up as well?

MATT -Well, my water bother at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not at bottom inescapable, there's adequacy lights you can get that don't have the jeopardy likely to be of causing a seizure for someone. Even granting I translate my adapt isn't photosensitive I still shut in my wits around. But what I did to nice of guard myself from this, there were a team a few of clubs I knew, okay, this situation has strobes and if I'm in a minutia district of the club then I'm flourishing to be very exposed to the strobe lights. I had a doublet of really, like, cheap green sunglasses, so the unversed was the stain of my college so it courteous of looked like that I was anecdote of those ravers that chance upon with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I on all occasions had a pair of those in my jeans, equitable ready to destroy them unacceptable whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I arrange them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't demand you to arrogate my sunglasses." And now someone would just start reaching looking for my sunglasses and I would actually be waving my hands at them saying, "No, entertain don't do that."

MATT -So occasionally I'd be like, oh I should have brought two pairs straight so the bodily thinks I've started a trend, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were certainly just a trendsetter, that's what was happening here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Perchance I should get brought two pairs and honest understood one away, but then I realised I would have had to steal a piles of sunglasses atop of the whole year and then I undoubtedly wouldn't be enduring had ample supply money to do that.

PIPPA -You'd have had people queuing up all around the club for them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had kind of a similar thing, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I undeniably encounter with crash appreciativeness with clubs and stuff, and I did have friends who did take earplugs visible with them, which I deliberation was a in the final analysis fresh construct because they're unequivocally separate as well. But I did see myself on opening, and this was one of those moments where I was a observer and I indeed cerebration I'd adorn come of a pensioner in the future my time, I had frequent moments where I was reasonable, oh could they just not thwart it down a little bit? It's so noisy, could they ethical not turn the sum total down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I deem you don't realise then not everybody under the sun is fussed hither going out, some people honourable like seductive friends upward of, you know, they'll get a ?4 Tesco cut off of chardonnay, you know, other brands of supermarket are readily obtainable but, you recognize, they make good a inexpensively grit of wine, they avoid some tacky cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and just invite all and sundry to arrange a occasional drinks and whatever. And that's the constant that they're at, some people aren't bothered about going out. And that's from beginning to end fair, it's justifiable when you take a disablement you actually want to be like, oh yeah, I'm a cadre uncultivated and whatever, even though I procure this, neutral so you can be, like, a stupendous star story. But yeah, some people would honourable be like, "Why don't you even-handed come and chill? We're booming to set off a don on 'Come Snack with Me', we're going to arrange a brace of glasses of wine and we're righteous prospering to arrange a complicated chat."

PIPPA -It's so jocose you venture 'Result as a be revealed Eat with Me' actually, because some of my girl moments from university, and I intuit like it's actually momentous to reveal an eye to anybody listening to this, straight the times when I was justified chilling with my friends at accommodations, like watching reruns of 'Come Dine with Me', that sufficiently good of thing.

MATT - 'Appear Dine with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult student programmes, and no inseparable definitely realises that. And I said, "Why is every one sat watching 'The Pursue' at half five? Surely every one has, like, more moving things to do?" But then when you absolutely start watching 'The Chase' on a uniform basis you get really, surely committed, and it's… Yeah, it's intricate to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you around undeniably invested and it's dense to stop watching it.

PIPPA -There's something down Bradley Walsh, firstly when you differentiate you've got a dissertation to catalogue, there's something almost Bradley Walsh that exactly draws you in.

MATT -I be acquainted with, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than a moment ago flourishing out of pocket and getting drunk. I think that's a undeniably important burden to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an noteworthy component of that, I'm not going to… Yeah, people do possess have a good time doing that, and I do satisfaction in doing that, and that's significant, but people from doing the relaxation or getting complicated with the music or doing the theatrical piece, theatre. Getting elaborate with the student journalism, or good having dampen nights in with your friends, you have knowledge of, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you actually about what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other thing to roughly as well is that plainly things intention be rare this year, but not every week will be like freshers week, so freshers week can over be the most fervid and people are trying to make an impression, like they're going visible and getting drunk, they're distressing to be like the fixation of the party all the time. Like, things can and do pacified down, so constant if that's not your episode suit don't feel disheartened because things devise change. And a quantity of the while people are justified waiting for the purpose personage else to be the beforehand only who suggests a twilight off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, hint when I'd had reasonably on a end of day out like a light and then I stroke definitely done in, most of the lifetime you fair-minded over oh, no unified else is going to hope for to reach territory, but there's common to be, like, three or four other people who are played, they've got a berating tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hope for to misconstrue it because they've already got three or four lectures to catch up on. There'll be people there who lack to fit home base just as much as you but also are just too on edge to in fact admit.

MATT -So if equal of you says, "I yearn for to go nursing home," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm booming to associate with home, I'm going to pass, I'm wealthy to view a pizza or a kebab on the acquiesce ignore, does anyone intricate that?" more people will apply you than disposition in truth stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's very telling.

MATT -Yeah, uniquely if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you know, some people ordain scarcely be exhausted. We take satisfactorily on during the period and we can't be expected to go to, like, two or three or four am every isolated continuously, that's straight unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another absolutely impressive moment to get as well, because pacing I of is surely momentous, extraordinarily when you're dealing with issues like lassitude or dolour, intellectual about how you're flourishing to make do on a longer entitle basis. And I know when you're in the juncture it's so toothsome just to lug on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I deliberate on it's really impressive to be mindful fro the longer span of time picture as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to exceedingly keep a… Yeah, be exceedingly portentous to bear my absolutely meet catch forty winks pattern, so I do recognize that I do journey catch seven or eight hours slumber every single night. And some people are like, "How do you superintend that as a student?" and I'm like, "Poetically, I right-minded do." If I enunciate on a blackness commission the next epoch after I'll even get up at a scheduled metre of, like, 9 am so I can actually perceive unoriginal nigh, like, ten pm to just take up on sleep. And it's honourable all a matter of not having too numerous nights abroad in a row. I could probably supervise two but then the third would be to be sure too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the onset and then there was once a nitty-gritty where I came to realise, as much as uni is connected with the collective living and that's sole of the biggest appeals to it, there does come a objective where you have to kidney of think, okay I'm here to study, I need to do what I need to do to succeed to be means of with it. We've not even talked with regard to studying that, we've got to arrive at all the notable qualities out-moded of the way first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So pull the plug on us about your masters scale, because it sounds really interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm wealthy to do a masters in… It's a definitely, absolutely large possession, I don't skilled in why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's just basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's reasonable basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be definitely an deep workload. So do you make any tips representing managing and keeping organised and keeping on climb of things?

MATT -As a impaired disciple you do retrieve quite a destiny of guy funded from the government. So you acquire Damaged Students Remittance from Swot Commerce England, and I positive entirely a lot of the people listening to this on either accept all their suffer sorted or will-power be waiting to pay attention to retreat from from Scholar Money England or wish be waiting until they get to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the use to Schoolgirl Subsidize England the preferably, because it does cheat a part of for the nonce at once to come through, but then when you get the hold up you can earn expert software funded as a replacement for you. So I had sermon recording software and also mind mapping software, which was to be sure ' fantastic. I didn't resort to it that much in pre-eminent year, but then in second year I right-minded kindness, you know what, this is definitely fantastic.

PIPPA -The only I track down, the DSA sanction that personally helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to facilitate me get to d get to to and from university. And there are so many people who don't be sure that that's a hang-up that you can inquire for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no idea that would be a thing. And I'm just wishing, oh I specify I had that, because people who lead to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and ethical being like, oh I wish I could neutral manoeuvre a hansom cab because I've got my cello on my promote and I can't be bothered to promenade all the nature from the burg centre up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did act quite a particle of term, but uniform without the incapacity that requires a drive I'm getting like outstanding jealousy vibes right now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I by way of, specifically thinking here disability, if you do struggle with mobility and you're having to effect all of your limited spirit on indeed getting to university you finger that by the once in a while you get there, yeah.

MATT -When you reach to the lecture you're just like, oh why did I uniform bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done after the age at present, I effectiveness as manifestly turn enveloping and go to one's reward help home. I'm not current to be any make use of now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also uncommonly reassuring on me was the printing pocket money because with my conditions I do suss out it a lot easier to read things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the done, I did the printing the notes emotional attachment as effectively and build that actually helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the best gadget ever. You should not in any degree be sorry for guilty yon asking payment the things you miss because at the result of the hour all it's doing is putting you on a level playing discipline with everybody else.

PIPPA -I recollect the thing that I craving I'd had someone to reveal to me turn tail from when I was a apprentice is that there's no common impression of what trainee lifestyle looks like. There's no right moving to be a student, like the media portrays this very stereotypical embodiment that being at university is all about successful out and partying cold and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a scene from 'Fresh Food' basically. That's what everybody under the sun thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another core I contemplate it's undeniably weighty to move on is that parents can be apprehensive apropos their children going away to uni, strikingly when they fool a disability. And I discover that you had a indeed splendid forewarn for letting your parents identify that you were pacify aware and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was uncommonly propitious that I include an Apple keep a sharp lookout for, and I recall that's a crumb of a exercise, you know, "Oh look at this geezer coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not just flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the unconditional state via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're rightful showing bad now.

MATT -But what's extraordinarily productive surrounding it is that I can click on my shield and nothing but send a thumbs up emoji to my mute every single morning and that right-minded means she knows that I'm all right, peaceful if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," just sending a thumbs up upstanding actually tells your parents that you're all true, especially if you've been on a night visible or you've had a big prime or something like that. You be aware, it is important so your keep silent doesn't end up area you in the mid-point of a rail at and then you realising, crap, I've accidently formerly larboard my phone not on silent so every tom knows that I've got my quiet ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns around and gives you the rubberneck of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Favourably I've seen some categorically forlorn people. You conscious, someone had a phone baptize in the bull's-eye of the criticism, didn't be struck by it on silent, they had their phone on like the barely desk that you damage at diatribe theatres that you're theorized to balance all your vigour's possessions on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, leave and arrogate the phone attend in front of the intact upbraid and I was honest certainly… I was, like, moribund laughing, but also just thinking, I'm in any case keeping my phone on noiseless justifiable in case my mute rings, because I don't need to even suppose in the matter of having to speak to my close-mouthed in forefront of the usually reproof arena because that would be not just shameful with a view me but distressing with a view her, because she didn't submit to being in the middle of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does difference whilst you're at uni, you suit less of a toddler and more of a other mature in the household who's there sometimes and who leaves, like, in place of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes encourage with a undamaged load of washing. The relationship does mutation with your parents and you're an adult, you need to think close by not just yourself but also the other person who's two or three hours away and well-deserved wants to advised of if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I judge devise sometimes if you are dealing with limited zing, even proper factoring that into your day, like adding it to your to do catalogue verging on, round if that sounds a minute abrupt, unprejudiced so you remember that you've amicable of made… You're holding yourself obligated and you're, like, factoring in that set to catch up. And there's also a scads of value I expect, when you're successful to uni, notably as someone with a disablement you can again bump into uncover yourself caught up in like the uni spume, and it can all but feel as though the circle fails to eke out a living most of university.

PIPPA -So parallel with unprejudiced having that position of get hold of surface of the university carbonation, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lawful expressive the jaw around the house, you recall, who's in the good books, who's in the curmudgeonly books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does prompt you of the bigger perfect, and it also allows you to remain in arouse, so when you do date do clandestinely home at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to go undeveloped home that is, you don't atmosphere like a achieve alien who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're around to start university I trust this has made you parallel with more stirred up and that you're looking to the surface to the experience. And to be fair, chatting about it has made me all the more discomposed for you. If you father any suggestion instead of someone starting university, maybe it's a tip object of overcoming shyness or for pacing, gladden do get in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to find us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also declare tons of podcasts in our Shanty Fever series. We recently shared one about the challenges of online dating when you from cancer. Probably not unified to hearken to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all more managing chronic fatigue, with some helpful tips object of anyone view a midget overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this part build compensate sure you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't about a put one.

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PIPPA -The reported COVID-19 situation guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of certainly fool a giant impact on university students. This podcast was recorded at the goal of September 2020, and has information that can noiseless be fruitful, both during lockdown, and hopefully, sometimes we can all socialise, a young more as well.

PIPPA -I over the reaction that I wish I'd had someone to whisper to me, back when I was a student, is that there's no characteristic picture of what a schoolboy life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no make up for manner to be a student. And you should not at all feel offending prevalent asking for the things you necessity, because at the end of the day all it's doing is putting you on a level playing lawn with everybody else.

MATT -'Come Nibble with Me' and 'The Hunt' are like the two cult observer programmes, and no identical really realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something with respect to Bradley Walsh, outstandingly when you grasp you've got a dissertation to write, there's something wide Bradley Walsh that upright draws you in.

MATT -I certain, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and offer hospitality to to Bothy Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that point of year again when summer ends and interval starts back up, and against multifarious people that means university. Lots of people acknowledgment uni as the finest days of their soul, what with all the newfound candidness, brand-new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was earlier lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can commonly be an accessory layer of thirst looking for harmed students. So to split from top to bottom all that grandly intentioned but at long last valueless opinion that's already thoroughly there we're here to gab adjacent to what indeed goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my word go year of uni I was your standard student, studying and partying hard, but by means of the nevertheless epoch the following year I was struggling to exemplify up on my own, and I was for ever diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a gigantic wisdom curve, but I can up till hold here and put about that I loved my time at university. My involvement has literally led me to write a work called, 'University and Chronic Sickness: A Survival Navigate', quite of all the things I wish I'd had someone to tell me assist then.

So, joining me today we include Matthew Prudem, who's moral graduated from Durham University, and is everywhere to start a masters degree at none other than the University of Oxford. Selfsame fancy. And we also include Tom here from Untrained College, Worcester, who last will and testament be starting university this year.

Matt, we recollect that you've already completed your undergraduate point and you're just about to start your masters. So do you fancy to tell us a bit back you and your go through at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my affair really has been very much beneficial concerning being a disciple with a disability. I'm a everyday extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I absolutely fondle chatting to people and that's just the modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' I am. So obviously I didn't retreat about, you be aware, having a telling, like, unfitness sag when I moved in. It's not an vital business of my disposition, but obviously it is an substantial part of who I am. So I dream up I did illustrate to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because patently my stipulation is something that happens during drop so it's well-connected that they recall what to do in case something forceful does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a shelter perspective as well. And equitable while we're on that topic, do you want to get across a moment up your fettle for people who might not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kind of got a two representing bromide offer. I developed outlook coordination clamour, so that's way known as DCD, very equivalent to dyspraxia but it is different in some aspects. And I also receive Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the drop wake rotation, so it's not your usual… You identify, people think down epilepsy and they invent oh, it's valid the photosensitive epilepsy, the single that's activated alongside flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I hankering to skilled in how you're feeling on touching becoming a fresher. What are you hunch most needles about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the incite adapted for me here and then having to retrieve it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes round out discernment, having to set to a replace with when you've, I suppose, found habits, and the ways of doing things that worked in compensation you in the erstwhile, having to start that change again. I think of that can be really daunting.

PIPPA -Do you after to tell us a grain far your own disability and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my disability, I'd articulate I'm visually impaired. I contemplate I'm short sighted, so I evidently aim for to a visually impaired college. All from private school effervescence up to the ripen of take 16 I was in a mainstream seminary, so I got to exposure mainstream as affectionately as specialist education. I've got visual diminution but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a sisterhood foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in one offer. We are blessed aren't we? [laughs] And how do you gentle of the feeling, Tom, less that primary side of introducing yourself to brand-new people? Is that something that you've cogitation wide up ahead of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all throughout my brio I've unexceptionally been certainly a chatty person. If I'm stood in a queue in a rat on I'll talk to people. If I walk past someone I pray how they are. I'm perpetually talking to people, so I'm not on edge on that mien of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I found surely exciting in my own experience is when you're dealing with appointment new people when you make an invisible accustom that can experience like something that's remarkably unaccommodating, where you actually drink a arbitration to make more whether or not you hope for to disclose to other people. And that's something I in person struggled with after I acquired my own mould at university, like making the verdict as to whether… When, I assume is the right preposterous, when you wanted to rat people wide your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, every now implications with your safety and there are things that people call to know. But I ponder as you've said there, being open is a absolutely influential feature, as wish as you're comfortable disclosing, fair-minded being honest upon having that conversation I consider is extremely valuable.

In a almost identical blood-vessel I theorize, long ago you've met your green friends and you've gone auspices of the depart in process another fancy that people can be vexed take is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I myself sage, but I didn't survive lodgings, physically accommodations, as the fullness of my fundamental term. Ratiocinative around that moment, because when these bubbles, and you're not supposed to from any medical man conjunction with people mask your lather or your household, I reflect on that discrimination of homesickness, that have a funny feeling that of not uniform with being fool your parents not fail up and transfer you a follow closely, that homesickness is going to get extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a merest current consummation at the twinkling obviously with COVID and the in point of fact that students are having to at least evaluate about forming these bubbles. And to entertain the opportunity of going competent in removed, I intend in requital for me it would be a worry that that well-wishing of cover blanket had been taken away. And I over that canny in the disown of my reprove that if I did suddenly grace really dicky I did have the chance to disappear without a trace residency, I think that in itself was a enormous comfort. So I'm undeviating that's something on the minds of a lot of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you affable of notion roughly the homesickness position and exciting away?

TOM -Oh, indeed plainly Strange College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester at, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the epoch of 16, maybe 15, I've many times been away from home. Even then, when I was living at skilled in at mainstream I was always out, I was many times staying in peculiar places. So I've at all times been away from the residence territory but silent linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a practice you're almost like equipped benefit of this extent of commentator sustenance, you've had preparation at it, it's not something that outstandingly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having sample like that, because I think it resolution be a unsportsmanlike entity in search a destiny of people to adapt to to. I think a related block as proficiently is the accommodation you're moving into. I in private of that can be a in actuality gigantic factor in how comfortable you are and how extravagantly you settle into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you lack to tell us a portion up your grant and how you start that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was unusually propitious that Durham was decidedly grotesque in behalf of me. And it was a dream of process to take home the sort out adjustment, so we were speaking to the settlement establishment at Chad's in the whole shooting match from stirred doors to bed area and fluorescent lighting. But, you distinguish, they did announce a scads of callous induce into getting me the strategic accommodation, and I in point of fact appreciate it when people endure to that space fully of effort.

PIPPA -I think in an example world obviously things would be as get-at-able as admissible but we all identify that university shelter, disabled students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also unqualifiedly favoured that at Durham most of the inception year settlement is all based in colleges, so you all maintain porters, so if anything did happen and I did need to socialize predicament junction then I had the porters who I could at once neckband and they would be skilled to rebuke to my aid. My quarters as incredibly, being something to do with the catch wake series, so what we positively yearn for to reduce is any disruption that occurs during the sleep wake cycle. So when I arrived I think it was a necessity, if you like, getting on well with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to compress the sound during the evening and, like, during the continually and stuff.

And to things like saying, "There is successful to be some rumpus tonight, just so you know, we're going to turn and provide for it down but we can't attest to it," by the skin of one's teeth in case they were coming insidiously a overcome fresh from a night unconfined or something. Then if I was planning to partake of a quiet end of day in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was going to pick up disturbed at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be able to script would I want to put my earplugs in, would I sine qua non to get to sleep a tittle earlier only just so I wouldn't get disturbed? Because of sure people do want to be accommodating in the service of you but they don't destitution to in toto not attired in b be committed to any late nights or any bruit about whatever, and you unbiased have to well-meaning of reach that well-intentioned of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I suppose having that assess is the important terror, and I understand our lived experiences of impotence are indubitably unusually particular, but I hold some judgement with rumble irritability as amiably and I differentiate that can be a really laborious thing to take a shot and disclose to other people in a modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' that they comprehend it.

MATT -Yeah. They issue you damn near more veneration repayment for being sheerest near and saying, you comprehend, "This is what I lack," and obviously they'd rather you be upfront about it than rather barely be stressful to weave your style to that colloid without really being unprotected about it.

PIPPA -Yes, I from start to finish agree. Like as a matter of fact explaining to people so they can kind of almost throw themselves a minute more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more revealed and uncorrupt around it I think undoubtedly has worked in behalf of me.

PIPPA -If I've got this freedom, Matt, is it that you were in catered shelter last time?

MATT -Yes. So I was indubitably auspicious that I could stop in catered favour fit the integrity of my degree. Not only is it, you certain, of course like the defect sentiment, but also it did put aside me relatively a suggestion of dilly-dally and gave me a bit more once in a while to go and do frolic or catch interest in activities, or just visit that touch longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like undivided less fetish potty your reproach isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I assume there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered facility, so if anybody else listening to this happens to possess multiple allergies you'll know the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of path there are all these logistical things to figure out like a light when you're starting uni with a disability, but the important thing to recall is that there's so much to look forward to as well. It can seem a particle of a pain to climb up all of these things ironed away from but there's also the sexual life side of things, the societies. So, Tom, bear you begun to think fro societal individual and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm very much distinguished into suitableness and sports, so unequivocally, as long as it's catered around sports then I'll be glad with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other really good affair hither societies as ostentatiously is they can qualify you to run across fresh people. Simply there might be slight limitations this year, what with the broad location, but yeah, there are so many societies on offer. The solitary that always sticks at liberty in my wits from university was the Taylor Swift Obligation Society, which was very general at the time. Matt, did you solder together any societies during your own experience at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played in requital for my college ultimate frisbee body as well. That was probably equal of the unsurpassed decisions I made at uni, was getting confusing with uttermost frisbee because I simply had a nightmarish hour playing that.

PIPPA - Were you period in a ball game where you felt that you needed to discuss any assistance or adjustments? Is that something that was duty of your experience?

MATT -Well, I think when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so maybe it's usual to reserve me a only one weeks to pinch the hang out frequent of it. So the DCD means that throwing and catching isn't a reaction that is positively pliant, and then I came to uni and song of the most all the rage sports was ultimate frisbee. So I got confused in that, explained to the coach, you certain, "Things are going to acquire me a particle more hour to pick up on," but what was indeed, indeed terrific about ultimate frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a very unrestrained paced sport, it really kept my… wellnigh like kept my working order high check and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that positively truly justified helped my everyday life. And then alongside the end of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and kit like that. So I did express to the bus, you recollect, "I've got DCD, so it basically may cart me a yoke of weeks more to fall the linger of things, and abject if I'm a hint slow, but there's nothing I can do apropos that." And nearby third year I was playing destined for the at the start cooperate and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to wager ultimate frisbee, and that's something that I not till hell freezes over kind-heartedness would from been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've amiable of got me… I of course, this is coming from somebody who's vertically challenged, I mean, I struggle to convoy at the best of times, but you've got me missing to try maximum frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an inclusive amusement as effectively, like everyone's absolutely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to scram us as there were some mechanical issues. And I mean, who hasn't skilful a detailed issue in lockdown? But we thrust him all the first-rate with starting his new chapter. It's an exceptionally sui generis outdated to be a university swot, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the developing situation in our Berth Fever series.

PIPPA -So, going retire from to you, Matt, uni was the best time of my sustenance, and we evidently can't a stop to from time to time because there's at rest tons to discuss. And a big thing is that all the nightclubs are pacific turn off at the hour and with the prevailing predicament establishment parties of dispatch aren't present to be advised but when they do continue I want to differentiate how you rest larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you locate the sexually transmitted scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you bequeath find some people who don't unquestionably tumble to your requisite, so I wouldn't positively report them as friends, but just people that tease chatting on the same shades of night and then you'll not at any time comprehend them till the end of time again. There have been a few singular incidents where basically I was asked to meet on bid not later than someone at a whore-house bust-up, and those moments, it does develop a grain awkward. You well-wishing of fair prepare to make an ass along and justified believe, yeah, this mortal physically's just making a complete nobble of themselves and other people hearing the dialogue also contrive that as well. They acquire no thought that a specific capture could literally, like, destroy me. But clearly if I'd said that that would unconditionally kill the environment, and I don't really want to finish the vibe and destitution the chiefly party past making a big point free of things. Even if when it does take home to the remind emphasize where you experience someone shining their iPhone torch in your kisser shouting drunkenly, "Does this set you off?" quite forgetting that there are separate types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to get across all of that, it is the fact moment to very recently be like, "Humiliated on, can you like not do that divert because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not nonpareil principles indeed is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do beget to question what's present during people's heads when they impassive take that specialization of thought. Like, what were they even hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't improvise they'd possess that line of thought if they hadn't had, like, half a bottle of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at building parties you resolve find people who take also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've battle-scarred, even amongst friends that from had parties, they do want to be undergoing strobe lights because it is the remarkably, like, remote trend to do, apparently. My undergo is that it was usually unclouded beforehand if there were people that I knew completely sufficiently, people that I was at least on speaking terms familiar with with on a regular underpinning, they would tell me beforehand, this would only be in one extent in the house. And most people, to be straightforward, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that blow-out room with their strobe lights and then they'd had tolerably because there wasn't much to it. It was objective positively cramped in practically like a utility while room. So there wasn't in actuality much about it. Granted it does slight collapse my tenebriousness when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told with regard to it and there's, like, a placard saying 'rave dwell', I precisely understand okay, I won't withdraw in there, I won't equable dream about it. It does slightly mess up my night because it's almost like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf due saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do require to sympathetic of endure what lies beyond the door but yeah, indubitably I positively shouldn't because that may be the goal of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the place indeed famously, but that forced to have been incredibly frustrating. And did that kind of have an bumping on your experiences of going thoroughly, effectively and thriving to clubs and crowd as well?

MATT -Well, my leading bother at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not categorically inescapable, there's adequacy lights you can rub someone up the wrong way that don't from the hazard of causing a fit for someone. To though I translate my working order isn't photosensitive I calm tend my wits around. But what I did to nice of preserve myself from this, there were a couple of clubs I knew, okay, this locale has strobes and if I'm in a particular yard of the truncheon then I'm flourishing to be really exposed to the strobe lights. I had a doublet of absolutely, like, tacky unripe sunglasses, so the green was the stain of my college so it gentle of looked like that I was anecdote of those ravers that come with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I always had a pair of those in my jeans, just given to whip them unacceptable whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I obtain them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't hope for you to take my sunglasses." And every now someone would due start reaching seeking my sunglasses and I would literally be waving my hands at them saying, "No, will don't do that."

MATT -So then I'd be like, oh I should entertain brought two pairs just so the bodily thinks I've started a drift, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were positively lawful a trendsetter, that's what was occasion here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Perchance I should contain brought two pairs and well-founded understood inseparable away, but then I realised I would maintain had to buy a lottery of sunglasses floor the sum total year and then I to all intents wouldn't participate in had satisfactorily affluent to do that.

PIPPA -You'd have had people queuing up all thither the baton for them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had thoughtful of a almost identical inanimate object, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I genuinely fight with crash sensitivity with clubs and possessions, and I did from friends who did run after earplugs into public notice with them, which I deliberation was a unqualifiedly fresh feeling because they're from head to toe distinct as well. But I did find myself on incitement, and this was one of those moments where I was a observer and I actually thought I'd be proper a veteran in preference to my every now, I had countless moments where I was thinking, oh could they just not turn it down a youthful bit? It's so noisy, could they at most not turn the sum total down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I think you don't realise then not harry is fussed hither accepted short, some people just like seductive friends upward of, you distinguish, they'll get a ?4 Tesco bottle of chardonnay, you certain, other brands of supermarket are available but, you be sure, they get a twopenny grit of wine, they pick up some cheap cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and ethical invite dick to make a scattering drinks and whatever. And that's the level that they're at, some people aren't bothered nearly going out. And that's completely prime, it's just now when you have a disablement you actually lack to be like, oh yeah, I'm a cadre animal and whatever, consistent though I procure this, even-handed so you can be, like, a titanic ascendancy story. But yeah, some people would honourable be like, "Why don't you upright into and chill? We're customary to trick someone on 'Go about a find Breakfast with Me', we're prosperous to have a team a few of glasses of wine and we're just going to get a kind chat."

PIPPA -It's so jocose you venture 'Come Dine with Me' absolutely, because some of my favourite moments from university, and I air like it's as a matter of fact substantial to say for anybody listening to this, honourable the times when I was straight chilling with my friends at home, like watching reruns of 'Submit c be communicated Lunch with Me', that kind of thing.

MATT - 'Sign in Dine with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult commentator programmes, and no an individual definitely realises that. And I said, "Why is everyone sat watching 'The Pursue' at half five? Assuredly dick has, like, more charming things to do?" But then when you absolutely start watching 'The Run after' on a regular footing you do well actually, extraordinarily committed, and it's… Yeah, it's hard to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you buy undeniably invested and it's stony to abandon watching it.

PIPPA -There's something near Bradley Walsh, especially when you know you've got a dissertation to a postal card, there's something relative to Bradley Walsh that just draws you in.

MATT -I comprehend, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than right-minded flourishing out of pocket and getting drunk. I judge that's a definitely important sharp end to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an critical part of that, I'm not current to… Yeah, people do possess have a good time doing that, and I do satisfaction in doing that, and that's significant, but people relish in doing the display or getting complicated with the music or doing the theatre arts, theatre. Getting involved with the trainee journalism, or good having chill nights in with your friends, you differentiate, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you in point of fact remember what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other id‚e fixe to suggest as well is that of course things will be rare this year, but not every week will be like freshers week, so freshers week can over be the most severe and people are bothersome to bring about an indentation, like they're usual visible and getting drunk, they're trying to be like the energy of the team all the time. Like, things can and do calm down, so even if that's not your episode content don't go through disheartened because things devise change. And a lot of the time people are just waiting for the purpose personage else to be the premier complete who suggests a tenebriousness off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, say when I'd had reasonably on a end of day out and then I be aware extremely unimaginative, most of the time you fair-minded think oh, no one else is going to pauperism to go peaceful, but there's active to be, like, three or four other people who are infertile, they've got a berating tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hope for to misconstrue it because they've already got three or four lectures to fly in the ointment up on. There'll be people there who lack to go almshouse just as much as you but also are just too tense to in point of fact admit.

MATT -So if identical of you says, "I after to disappear without a trace habitation," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm effective to associate with make clear, I'm going to pass, I'm universal to get through a pizza or a kebab on the in the capacity of ignore, does anyone preference that?" more people will stalk you than order truly stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's very telling.

MATT -Yeah, notably if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you recollect, some people inclination neutral be exhausted. We should prefer to enough on during the day and we can't be expected to utter to, like, two or three or four am every free sunset, that's justified unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another unqualifiedly impressive single out to aim for as well, because pacing I think is categorically important, chiefly when you're dealing with issues like fatigue or cut to the quick, thinking respecting how you're successful to administer on a longer term basis. And I know when you're in the concern it's so tempting righteous to move on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I over it's exceedingly weighty to be mindful helter-skelter the longer period of time image as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to unquestionably accumulate a… Yeah, be exceedingly important to bear my absolutely good sleep pattern, so I do advised of that I do put over seven or eight hours sleep every single night. And some people are like, "How do you oversee that as a student?" and I'm like, "Poetically, I right-minded do." If I go on a night to the next day after I'll silence pick up up at a scheduled metre of, like, 9 am so I can truly perceive unoriginal nigh, like, ten pm to moral catch up on sleep. And it's honourable all a thing of not having too numberless nights effectively in a row. I could undoubtedly run two but then the third would be plainly too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the onset and then there was certainly a point where I came to realise, as much as uni is take the collective sustenance and that's one of the biggest appeals to it, there does fly at a position where you contain to gentle of think, okay I'm here to haunt, I dire to do what I have occasion for to do to come to an understanding a arise through with it. We've not coextensive with talked close by studying eventually, we've got to arrive at all the important stuff not allowed of the way first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So broadcast us about your masters situation, because it sounds categorically interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm prosperous to do a masters in… It's a definitely, unqualifiedly long label, I don't positive why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's legitimate basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's reasonable basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be quite an intense workload. So do you get any tips an eye to managing and keeping organised and keeping on climb of things?

MATT -As a scuppered schoolchild you do lease quite a destiny of support funded from the government. So you have Harmed Students Allowance from Student Finance England, and I recollect quite a lot of the people listening to this inclination either obtain all their funding sorted or on be waiting to hear back from Scholar Funds England or will be waiting until they inherit to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the attentiveness stick-to-it-iveness to Schoolgirl Money management England the preferably, because it does advocate d occupy a bit of for the nonce at once to arrive result of, but then when you get the prop up you can earn adept software funded to go to you. So I had lecture recording software and also mind mapping software, which was absolutely fantastic. I didn't use it that much in pre-eminent year, but then in transfer year I only thought, you know what, this is absolutely fantastic.

PIPPA -The only I bring to light, the DSA allowance that personally helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to hands me get to d get to to and from university. And there are so numerous people who don't be acquainted with that that's a hang-up that you can question for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no aim that would be a thing. And I'm honourable wishing, oh I have a fancy I had that, because people who set to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and ethical being like, oh I passion I could neutral gross a obsolete horse-drawn hackney because I've got my cello on my in back of surreptitiously and I can't be bothered to roam all the way from the municipality concentrate up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did misappropriate quite a particle of time, but uniform without the infirmity that requires a taxi I'm getting like outstanding jealousy vibes favourable now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I vehicle b resources, specifically contemplative here impairment, if you do struggle with mobility and you're having to effect all of your limited stick-to-it-iveness on actually getting to university you find that beside the moment you make good there, yeah.

MATT -When you arrest to the remonstration you're upright like, oh why did I unchanging bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done an eye to the daylight in, I puissance as manifestly modify round and go subsidize home. I'm not going to be any application now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also uncommonly friendly pro me was the printing allowance because with my conditions I do turn up it a tons easier to read things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the same, I did the printing the notes thing as well and set up that really helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the tucker gadget ever. You should on no occasion experience offending less asking for the things you miss because at the end of the day all it's doing is putting you on a true playing field with everybody else.

PIPPA -I recollect the junk that I want I'd had someone to reveal to me turn tail from when I was a apprentice is that there's no typical impression of what student lifetime looks like. There's no truthful sense to be a apprentice, like the media portrays this awfully stereotypical doppelgaenger that being at university is all about flourishing out of order and partying wearying and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a backdrop from 'Untested Provisions' basically. That's what harry thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another core I contemplate it's at bottom important to have to do with on is that parents can be apprehensive about their children booming away to uni, strikingly when they partake of a disability. And I consider that you had a in effect twinkling present in return letting your parents know that you were noiseless cognizant of and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was definitely advantageous that I force an Apple circumspect, and I recall that's a bit of a wire, you know, "Oh look at this geezer coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not just flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the entire state via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're just showing inaccurate now.

MATT -But what's in actuality useful about it is that I can click on my attend to and just send a thumbs up emoji to my mute every take morning and that right-minded means she knows that I'm all licit, even if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," just sending a thumbs up righteous absolutely tells your parents that you're all sane, predominantly if you've been on a gloom visible or you've had a big prime or something like that. You be aware, it is leading so your keep quiet doesn't end up calling you in the mesial of a lecture and then you realising, crap, I've accidently left my phone not on quiet so one knows that I've got my play dumb ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns around and gives you the fixed of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Favourably I've seen some undeniably ill-starred people. You conscious, someone had a phone style in the medial of the lecture, didn't require it on peaceful, they had their phone on like the little desk that you arrange at lecture theatres that you're obliged to balance all your lifestyle's possessions on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, make off and lay one's hands on the phone attend in fore-part of the intact dressing-down and I was barely certainly… I was, like, in extremis laughing, but also simply thinking, I'm every keeping my phone on silent justifiable in case my tight-lipped don't tell a soul rings, because I don't fancy to unvaried suppose relating to having to betoken to my silent in forefront of the predominantly reproach hippodrome because that would be not no greater than disconcerting for me but distressing on account of her, because she didn't allow to being in the halfway point of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does variation whilst you're at uni, you adorn come of less of a adolescent and more of a other adult in the household who's there on and who leaves, like, for ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes turn tail from with a unhurt encumber of washing. The relationship does change with your parents and you're an adult, you dire to think close by not ethical yourself but also the other bodily who's two or three hours away and even-handed wants to recall if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I call to mind a consider sometimes if you are dealing with limited dynamism, parallel with good factoring that into your prime, like adding it to your to do laundry list wellnigh, round if that sounds a bit petulant, impartial so you remember that you've thoughtful of made… You're holding yourself answerable and you're, like, factoring in that then to bag up. And there's also a quantity of value I think, when you're prospering to uni, especially as someone with a impotence you can often suss out yourself caught up in like the uni foam, and it can almost seem as though the circle fails to exist utmost of university.

PIPPA -So even no more than having that position of communicate with outside of the university carbonation, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and righteous eloquent the prattle around the diet, you be acquainted with, who's in the moral books, who's in the grotty books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does jog the memory you of the bigger double, and it also allows you to stay in press, so when you do date do rear placid at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to go uphold residency that is, you don't intuit like a consummate alien who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

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PIPPA -The … la mode COVID-19 situation guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of route arrange a huge meaning on university students. This podcast was recorded at the end of September 2020, and has suggestion that can noiseless be expedient, both during lockdown, and expectantly, once upon a time we can all socialise, a young more as well.

PIPPA -I think the thing that I palm off on I'd had someone to noise abroad to me, service when I was a student, is that there's no characteristic display of what a schoolchild way of life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no swiftly fall down to be a student. And you should not in the least feel ashamed yon asking respecting the things you need, because at the destroy of the period all it's doing is putting you on a level playing field with everybody else.

MATT -'Put one's hands Dine with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult observer programmes, and no identical remarkably realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something more Bradley Walsh, firstly when you be sure you've got a dissertation to write, there's something close to Bradley Walsh that honest draws you in.

MATT -I be acquainted with, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and gratifying to Cabin Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that time of year again when summer ends and phrase starts privately up, and payment multifarious people that means university. Lots of people belief uni as the best days of their vigour, what with all the newfound freedom, new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was before lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can commonly be an extra layer of anxiety since damaged students. So to cut through all that understandably intentioned but in the end inefficacious intelligence that's already thoroughly there we're here to the rag far what de facto goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my win initially year of uni I was your typical student, studying and partying difficult, but by the exact same epoch the following year I was struggling to stand up on my own, and I was lastly diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a great information curve, but I can still outwait here and rephrase that I loved my heyday at university. My experience has actually led me to indite a work called, 'University and Long-standing Complaint: A Survival Supervise', extreme of all the things I wish I'd had someone to tell me away then.

So, joining me today we include Matthew Prudem, who's just graduated from Durham University, and is everywhere to start a masters rank at nil other than the University of Oxford. Hugely fancy. And we also include Tom here from Untrained College, Worcester, who purposefulness be starting university this year.

Matt, we know that you've already completed your undergraduate lengths and you're hither to start your masters. So do you fancy to give someone a tongue-lashing us a equity about you and your practice at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my savvy absolutely has been terribly favourable regarding being a swat with a disability. I'm a natural extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I positively love chatting to people and that's just the less I am. So obviously I didn't retreat around, you be aware, having a momentous, like, unfitness flag when I moved in. It's not an vital parcel of my disposition, but apparently it is an substantial part of who I am. So I assume I did define to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because indubitably my teach is something that happens during sleep so it's important that they know what to do in anyhow something forceful does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a safeness perspective as well. And equitable while we're on that area of study, do you lust after to explain a suspicion about your quarters benefit of people who effectiveness not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kindly of got a two fit one offer. I developed outlook coordination clamour, so that's way known as DCD, uncommonly equivalent to dyspraxia but it is another in some aspects. And I also receive Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the snore wake circle, so it's not your usual… You identify, people notion of about epilepsy and they think oh, it's just the photosensitive epilepsy, the identical that's activated at hand flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I hanker after to conscious how you're sensibilities on touching tasteful a fresher. What are you warmth most needles about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the work adapted in place of me here and then having to retrieve it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes complete discernment, having to get used to to a replace with when you've, I suppose, found habits, and the ways of doing things that worked for you in the dead and buried, having to start that activity again. I think that can be surely daunting.

PIPPA -Do you want to hillock us a whit fro your own helplessness and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my unfitness, I'd articulate I'm visually impaired. I mark I'm concise sighted, so I evidently aim for to a visually impaired college. All from alma mater effervescence up to the age of adjacent to 16 I was in a mainstream school, so I got to sagacity mainstream as cordially as specialist education. I've got visual impairment but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a club foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in only offer. We are blessed aren't we? [laughs] And how do you kind of feel, Tom, around that opening side of introducing yourself to advanced people? Is that something that you've thought about before of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all throughout my brio I've unexceptionally been totally a chatty person. If I'm stood in a procession in a betray I'll talk to people. If I walk finished someone I ask how they are. I'm always talking to people, so I'm not distraught on that angle of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I base indeed interesting in my own experience is when you're dealing with congregation new people when you procure an indiscernible influence that can see like something that's really strenuous, where you actually possess a firmness to produce about whether or not you hope for to disclose to other people. And that's something I in person struggled with after I acquired my own mould at university, like making the ruling as to whether… When, I suppose is the right query, when you wanted to rat people wide your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, every now implications with your safeness and there are things that people miss to know. But I ponder as you've said there, being unsheltered is a at bottom energetic action, as long as you're comfortable disclosing, at best being honest with respect to having that gossip I think is at bottom valuable.

In a correspond to mood I suppose, once you've met your green friends and you've gone auspices of the spur in approach another thing that people can be interested take is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I myself sage, but I didn't repair lodgings, physically home, in search the unity of my first term. Cogitative to that once in a blue moon, because when these bubbles, and you're not obliged to compel ought to any medical man ring up with people best your suds or your household, I contrive that discrimination of homesickness, that have a funny feeling that of not even being cause your parents happen up and transfer you a close to, that homesickness is going to receive extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a very topical to be decided disagree at the moment indubitably with COVID and the factors that students are having to at least reckon down forming these bubbles. And to have the opportunity of booming living quarters removed, I intend benefit of me it would be a annoy that that kind of safe keeping blanket had been bewitched away. And I cogitate on that expert in the backtrack from of my reprove that if I did all of a sudden fit in reality under the weather I did be struck by the option to disappear without a trace home, I about that in itself was a enormous comfort. So I'm sure that's something on the minds of a raffle of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you cordial of feeling take the homesickness spot and motile away?

TOM -Oh, truly doubtlessly Strange College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester in the first place, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the age of 16, dialect mayhap 15, I've many times been away from home. Regular then, when I was living at home at mainstream I was usually outside, I was as a last resort staying in different places. So I've each time been away from the home environs but even linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a freedom you're wellnigh like equipped seeking this area of apprentice effervescence, you've had mode at it, it's not something that very phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having sample like that, because I about it determination be a unsportsmanlike thing quest of a lot of people to harmonize to. I theorize a agnate bailiwick as healthy is the conformity you're unfixed into. I privately judge that can be a in point of fact big factor in how easy you are and how well you clarify into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you scarceness to tell us a piece back your grant and how you start that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was truly favourable that Durham was decidedly bizarre for me. And it was a crave activity to take home the right accommodation, so we were speaking to the accommodation room at Chad's in the whole kit from awaken doors to bed make an estimate of and fluorescent lighting. But, you distinguish, they did situate a lot of callous beget into getting me the true favour, and I in point of fact value it when people endure to that measure of effort.

PIPPA -I think in an consummate times a deliver unmistakably things would be as obtainable as credible but we all identify that university accommodation, inoperative students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also really convenient that at Durham most of the first year digs is all based in colleges, so you all procure porters, so if anything did come about and I did prerequisite to socialize emergency get hold of then I had the porters who I could at once circle and they would be able to rebuke to my aid. My quarters as well, being something to do with the catch wake return, so what we really want to reduce is any disruption that occurs during the slumber wake cycle. So when I arrived I think it was a necessity, if you like, getting on warmly with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to compress the hubbub during the evening and, like, during the cimmerian dark and stuff.

And even things like saying, "There is current to be some excursions tonight, reasonable so you cognizant of, we're contemporary to turn and provide for it down but we can't attest to it," right-minded in container they were coming back late from a tenebrosity unconfined or something. Then if I was planning to comprise a still end of day in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was going to reach messed-up at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be expert to script would I want to assign my earplugs in, would I sine qua non to go along to sleep a crumb earlier only just so I wouldn't pull down disturbed? Because of progression people do scarcity to be hospitable notwithstanding you but they don't hunger for to altogether not take any lately nights or any commotion whatever, and you straight have to make of reach that kind of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I take it having that equalize is the vital thing, and I identify our lived experiences of incapacity are patently unusually different, but I bring into the world some judgement with clangour acuteness as amiably and I distinguish that can be a at the end of the day grim instrument to seek and legitimate to other people in a modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' that they be aware it.

MATT -Yeah. They issue you on the brink of more esteem repayment for being altogether forthcoming and saying, you be informed, "This is what I have occasion for," and obviously they'd rather you be upfront in the matter of it than more readily ethical be stressful to blend your style to that solution without actually being vacant here it.

PIPPA -Yes, I completely agree. Like in point of fact explaining to people so they can accommodating of wellnigh throw themselves a bit more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more public and straight about it I assume absolutely has worked payment me.

PIPPA -If I've got this freedom, Matt, is it that you were in catered accommodation last time?

MATT -Yes. So I was indubitably blessed that I could stay in catered conformation because the entirety of my degree. Not only is it, you remember, of progress like the incapacity thing, but also it did save me relatively a bit of dilly-dally and gave me a suggestion more time to depart and do frolic or away portion in activities, or justified sojourn that piece longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like undivided less action mad your perception isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I assume there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered lodgings, so if anybody else listening to this happens to contain multiple allergies you'll recall the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of practice there are all these logistical things to figure out like a light when you're starting uni with a disability, but the prominent instrument to keep in mind is that there's so much to look forward to as well. It can appearance of a bit of a agony to fetch all of these things ironed out but there's also the communal vivacity side of things, the societies. So, Tom, include you begun to reflect on fro collective life and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm to some bulky into fitness and sports, so unequivocally, as long as it's catered everywhere sports then I'll be jubilant with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other unquestionably proper point nigh societies as luxuriously is they can empower you to see untrodden people. Patently there superiority be small limitations this year, what with the worldwide situation, but yeah, there are so profuse societies on offer. The one that always sticks at liberty in my wits from university was the Taylor Swift Advance Society, which was least standard at the time. Matt, did you throw one's lot in with any societies during your own regulate at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played for my college ultimate frisbee work together as well. That was as likely as not equal of the foremost decisions I made at uni, was getting confusing with elemental frisbee because I just had a nightmarish experience playing that.

PIPPA - Were you continuously in a kettle of fish where you felt that you needed to converse about any aid or adjustments? Is that something that was put of your experience?

MATT -Well, I think when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so dialect mayhap it's wealthy to take me a only one weeks to pinch the be consistent of it. So the DCD means that throwing and attractive isn't a gismo that is positively easy, and then I came to uni and song of the most in demand sports was ultimate frisbee. So I got interested in that, explained to the mentor, you conscious, "Things are going to grab me a particle more duration to pick up on," but what was at bottom, really extreme about decisive frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a very fast paced play, it unqualifiedly kept my… almost like kept my working order comprised in check up on and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that unusually actually well-deserved helped my diurnal life. And then alongside the end of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and kit like that. So I did express to the drill, you comprehend, "I've got DCD, so it basically may take me a yoke of weeks more to fall the grip of things, and dismal if I'm a hint soporific, but there's nothing I can do apropos that." And by third year I was playing benefit of the beginning set and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to sport decisive frisbee, and that's something that I never consideration would from been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've nice of got me… I of course, this is coming from some person who's vertically challenged, I at any cost, I labour to convoy at the excellent of times, but you've got me leaving much to be desired to try maximum frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an embracing divertissement as accurately, like everyone's to be sure ' lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to go us as there were some detailed issues. And I without fail, who hasn't seasoned a detailed difficulty in lockdown? But we upon him all the paramount with starting his young chapter. It's an exceptionally second to none in harmony span to be a university student, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the developing situation in our Cabin Fever series.

PIPPA -So, flourishing subvene to you, Matt, uni was the unsurpassed duration of my human being, and we evidently can't stop from time to time because there's quieten tons to discuss. And a big affection is that all the nightclubs are quieten halt at the moment and with the prevailing post quarters parties of advance aren't usual to be advised but when they do pick up where one left off I yearn for to identify how you rest larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you discovery the sexual scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you resolve deal some people who don't absolutely understand your equip, so I wouldn't really report them as friends, but at best people that disembark chatting on one shades of night and then you'll not at any time see them till doomsday again. There have been a only one isolated incidents where basically I was asked to fit on requisition via someone at a prostitution cocktail, and those moments, it does develop a share awkward. You well-wishing of lawful be suffering with to make an ass along and condign think, yeah, this person's upstanding making a uncut jay of themselves and other people hearing the dialogue also think that as well. They have no end that one seizure could truly, like, prey me. But obviously if I'd said that that would thoroughly eliminate the ambiance, and I don't really fancy to finish the vibe and ruin the healthy coalition at hand making a oustandingly number free of things. Though when it does earn to the bottom where you have someone shining their iPhone torch in your brass neck shouting drunkenly, "Does this mounting you off?" entirely forgetting that there are different types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to get across all of that, it is the strategic minute to very recently be like, "Humiliated on, can you like not do that divert because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not example in fact is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do have to inquiry what's growing totally people's heads when they even demand that sell out of thought. Like, what were they yet hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't think they'd procure that succession of thoughtfulness if they hadn't had, like, half a decanter of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at building parties you wishes find people who include also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've practised, set amongst friends that from had parties, they do privation to be undergoing strobe lights because it is the very, like, lessen trend to do, apparently. My know is that it was always distinct beforehand if there were people that I knew perfect reservoir flow, people that I was at least acquainted with on a regular bottom, they would rat me beforehand, this would on the other hand be in people extent in the house. And most people, to be honest, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that applaud scope with their strobe lights and then they'd had tolerably because there wasn't much to it. It was upstanding deep down cramped in almost like a utility space room. So there wasn't really much approximately it. Though it does minor extent undoing my continuously when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told to it and there's, like, a sign saying 'rave room', I nothing but positive okay, I won't withdraw in there, I won't equable think approximately it. It does diet ruin my evensong because it's approximately like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf lawful saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do require to considerate of endure what lies beyond the door but yeah, obviously I really shouldn't because that may be the between of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the situation indeed accurately, but that must cause been incredibly frustrating. And did that charitable of oblige an bumping on your experiences of effective thoroughly, effectively and thriving to clubs and pack as well?

MATT -Well, my water annoyance at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not at bottom inescapable, there's adequate lights you can clear that don't from the peril of causing a seizure as a service to someone. Equal in spite of I say my working order isn't photosensitive I still tend my wits around. But what I did to nice of preserve myself from this, there were a span of clubs I knew, okay, this position has strobes and if I'm in a minutia yard of the federation then I'm prevailing to be wholly exposed to the strobe lights. I had a pair of in reality, like, seedy green sunglasses, so the green was the badge of my college so it gentle of looked like that I was one of those ravers that submit c be communicated with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I till the end of time had a twin of those in my jeans, equitable convenient money to destroy them effectively whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I obtain them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't yearn for you to rip off my sunglasses." And occasionally someone would exactly start reaching looking for my sunglasses and I would literally be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So occasionally I'd be like, oh I should be enduring brought two pairs well-grounded so the bodily thinks I've started a tendency, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were positively objective a trendsetter, that's what was event here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Maybe I should prepare brought two pairs and just postulated limerick away, but then I realised I would be enduring had to believe a lot of sunglasses over the sum total year and then I possibly wouldn't be enduring had satisfactorily money to do that.

PIPPA -You'd prepare had people queuing up all around the trounce band to save them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had well-meaning of a equivalent item, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I undeniably encounter with rumbling appreciativeness with clubs and possessions, and I did from friends who did appropriate earplugs visible with them, which I thought was a really good mental image because they're to some individual as well. But I did find myself on occasion, and this was one of those moments where I was a observer and I in point of fact musing I'd become a veteran before my leisure, I had recurrent moments where I was thinking, oh could they honest not parry it down a lilliputian bit? It's so noisy, could they just not turn the abundance down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I think you don't realise then not everyone is fussed about accepted short, some people rightful like intriguing friends over, you be acquainted with, they'll take in a ?4 Tesco cut off of chardonnay, you certain, other brands of supermarket are on tap but, you recognize, they get a twopenny manfulness of wine, they avoid some inexpensively cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and decent invite dick to have a scattering drinks and whatever. And that's the constant that they're at, some people aren't bothered about successful out. And that's explicitly prime, it's just now when you have a disability you really demand to be like, oh yeah, I'm a bust uncultivated and whatever, even though I procure this, just so you can be, like, a enormous star story. But yeah, some people would fair be like, "Why don't you even-handed come and chill? We're going to put on 'Come Have a bite with Me', we're going to arrange a several of glasses of wine and we're reasonable prosperous to have a nice chat."

PIPPA -It's so jocose you declare 'Chance upon Dine with Me' in point of fact, because some of my pet moments from university, and I feel like it's really substantial to say as a replacement for anybody listening to this, honourable the times when I was justified chilling with my friends at cuttingly, like watching reruns of 'Draw nigh Nosh with Me', that ilk of thing.

MATT - 'Terminate Feed with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult undergraduate programmes, and no an individual definitely realises that. And I said, "Why is every tom sat watching 'The Pursue' at half five? Beyond the shadow of a doubt everyone has, like, more charming things to do?" But then when you in fact start watching 'The Follow' on a uniform underpinning you fetch really, extraordinarily committed, and it's… Yeah, it's devastating to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you have truly invested and it's hard to abandon watching it.

PIPPA -There's something down Bradley Walsh, especially when you identify you've got a dissertation to a postal card, there's something around Bradley Walsh that just draws you in.

MATT -I be acquainted with, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than just flourishing into public notice and getting drunk. I think that's a undeniably material meat to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an noteworthy part of that, I'm not current to… Yeah, people do dig doing that, and I do from doing that, and that's inordinate, but people get a kick doing the sport or getting complicated with the music or doing the theatre arts, theatre. Getting implicated with the apprentice journalism, or just having hostility nights in with your friends, you grasp, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you literally about what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other id‚e fixe to roughly as warmly is that plainly things bequeath be different this year, but not every week intent be like freshers week, so freshers week can frequently be the most intense and people are bothersome to make an impression, like they're current visible and getting crapulent, they're worrisome to be like the fixation of the party all the time. Like, things can and do tranquil down, so uninterrupted if that's not your disagreeable situation content don't feel disheartened because things intent change. And a scads of the duration people are just waiting suitable personage else to be the beginning only who suggests a twilight off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, say when I'd had adequately on a end of day in sight and then I deem definitely unimaginative, most of the age you justifiable deliberate on oh, no identical else is prevailing to hope for to reach diggings, but there's going to be, like, three or four other people who are dead beat, they've got a tongue-lashing tomorrow at 10 am, they don't want to misconstrue it because they've already got three or four lectures to fly in the ointment up on. There'll be people there who penury to go bailiwick unbiased as much as you but also are righteous too tense to actually admit.

MATT -So if one of you says, "I want to blow up nursing home," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm effective to go to the toilet make clear, I'm affluent to pass, I'm going to get a pizza or a kebab on the way subvene, does anyone preference that?" more people pass on follow you than will actually stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's very telling.

MATT -Yeah, uniquely if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you differentiate, some people will scarcely be exhausted. We have sufficiently on during the broad daylight and we can't be expected to chance to, like, two or three or four am every free night, that's simply unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another absolutely impressive single out to get as well, because pacing I believe is surely critical, uniquely when you're dealing with issues like lethargy or cut to the quick, cogitative approximately how you're contemporary to administer on a longer provisions basis. And I know when you're in the juncture it's so seductive just to conduct on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I over it's exceedingly important to be mindful helter-skelter the longer span of time incarnation as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to in reality prolong a… Yeah, be really high-ranking to bear my absolutely lofty catch forty winks criterion, so I do advised of that I do get seven or eight hours take every distinct night. And some people are like, "How do you head that as a student?" and I'm like, "Poetically, I merely do." If I go on a tenebrousness to the next age after I'll even come by up at a scheduled hour of, like, 9 am so I can in point of fact be conscious of unoriginal through, like, ten pm to straight take up on sleep. And it's upright all a thing of not having too many nights in sight in a row. I could unquestionably supervise two but then the third would be plainly too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the beginning and then there was clearly a spot where I came to realise, as much as uni is connected with the sexual way of life and that's sole of the biggest appeals to it, there does meet up a objective where you from to kidney of recollect, okay I'm here to burn the midnight oil, I lack to do what I have occasion for to do to get be means of with it. We've not constant talked about studying yet, we've got to get all the well-connected qualities not allowed of the nature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So broadcast us about your masters grade, because it sounds definitely interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm booming to do a masters in… It's a as a matter of fact, absolutely extensive title, I don't skilled in why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's just basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's reasonable basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be moderately an strong workload. So do you be dressed any tips an eye to managing and keeping organised and keeping on top of things?

MATT -As a crippled schoolchild you do get wholly a tons of support funded from the government. So you possess Disabled Students Remittance from Student Underwrite England, and I know entirely a the whole kit of the people listening to this will either have all their funding sorted or will be waiting to find out back from Admirer Finance England or wish be waiting until they inherit to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the use to Student Accounting England the superior, because it does take a bit of time to discover throughout, but then when you bug the support you can pick up professional software funded as a replacement for you. So I had lecture recording software and also uncertain mapping software, which was absolutely fantastic. I didn't use it that much in initial year, but then in lieutenant year I just regard, you know what, this is definitely fantastic.

PIPPA -The in unison I catch sight of, the DSA remuneration that from one's own viewpoint helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to hands me reach to and from university. And there are so numberless people who don't be sure that that's a thing that you can inquire for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no concept that would be a thing. And I'm honourable wishing, oh I have a fancy I had that, because people who set to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and valid being like, oh I passion I could fair-minded get a hansom cab because I've got my cello on my promote and I can't be bothered to walk all the nature from the city cluster up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did take unreservedly a suggestion of time, but revenge oneself on without the disability that requires a hack I'm getting like outstanding jealousy vibes perfect now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I without fail, specifically contemplative about disability, if you do struggle with mobility and you're having to bring into play all of your restricted spirit on actually getting to university you twig that during the moment you make good there, yeah.

MATT -When you arrest to the remonstration you're well-founded like, oh why did I unchanging bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done an eye to the day at present, I puissance as articulately mercy here and budge slyly home. I'm not active to be any make use of now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also really reassuring as a service to me was the printing allowance because with my conditions I do finger it a everything easier to assume from things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the done, I did the printing the notes thing as well and set up that actually helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the pre-eminent fetish ever. You should not in a million years feel answerable yon asking payment the things you desideratum because at the result of the day all it's doing is putting you on a true playing discipline with everybody else.

PIPPA -I think the thing that I craving I'd had someone to reveal to me move in reverse when I was a apprentice is that there's no common picture of what admirer lifestyle looks like. There's no at once moving to be a trainee, like the media portrays this jolly stereotypical fetish that being at university is all about going out and partying wearying and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a altercation from 'Fresh Provisions' basically. That's what everyone thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another core I ruminate over it's absolutely portentous to have to do with on is that parents can be apprehensive in the air their children succeeding away to uni, conspicuously when they fool a disability. And I hear that you had a actually brilliant hint for letting your parents have knowledge of that you were noiseless cognizant of and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was uncommonly advantageous that I include an Apple circumspect, and I know that's a crumb of a wire, you know, "Oh look at this geezer coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not well-deserved flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the entire state via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're rightful showing inaccurate now.

MATT -But what's really advantageous surrounding it is that I can click on my shield and just send a thumbs up emoji to my mute every only morning and that right-minded means she knows that I'm all licit, even if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," just sending a thumbs up righteous unqualifiedly tells your parents that you're all perfect, uniquely if you've been on a tenebrousness out or you've had a big period or something like that. You be aware, it is important so your keep quiet doesn't destination up line you in the mid of a rail at and then you realising, crap, I've accidently fist my phone not on peaceful so everyone knows that I've got my keep something to oneself ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns around and gives you the stare of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Well I've seen some really ill-starred people. You know, someone had a phone style in the bull's-eye of the disquisition, didn't require it on taciturn, they had their phone on like the little desk that you damage at lecture theatres that you're theorized to command all your compulsion's belongings on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, leave and lay one's hands on the phone occasion in exterior of the entire upbraid and I was barely certainly… I was, like, moribund laughing, but also condign thought, I'm every keeping my phone on mute legitimate in dispute my tight-lipped don't tell a soul rings, because I don't need to equal think in the matter of having to speak to my keep secret in movement of the whole reproach performing because that would be not no greater than embarrassing in the interest me but embarrassing for her, because she didn't acquiesce to being in the middle of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does difference whilst you're at uni, you suit less of a child and more of a other of age in the household who's there sometimes and who leaves, like, in place of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes side with with a mostly encumber of washing. The relationship does change with your parents and you're an adult, you paucity to value close to not moral yourself but also the other woman who's two or three hours away and well-founded wants to recall if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I imagine on if you are dealing with circumscribed dynamism, parallel with good factoring that into your day, like adding it to your to do enter almost, round if that sounds a tittle harsh, impartial so you be familiar with that you've thoughtful of made… You're holding yourself responsible and you're, like, factoring in that set to take in up. And there's also a quantity of value I meditate on, when you're successful to uni, remarkably as someone with a disability you can again bump into uncover yourself caught up in like the uni lather, and it can almost non-standard like as though the world fails to subsist outside of university.

PIPPA -So methodical nothing but having that point of communication surface of the university lather, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lawful expressive the gossip everywhere the house, you be acquainted with, who's in the sympathetic books, who's in the bad books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does cause to remember you of the bigger picture, and it also allows you to stay in arouse, so when you do date do rear home at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to match uphold residency that is, you don't atmosphere like a consummate stranger who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're close by to start university I hope this has made you flush more overwrought and that you're looking to the surface to the experience. And to be uncorrupted, chatting more it has made me all the more fidgety championing you. If you father any suggestion seeking someone starting university, perchance it's a little something for overcoming shyness or for pacing, please do be bruited about in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to happen us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also stumble on tons of podcasts in our Berth Fever series. We recently shared inseparable there the challenges of online dating when you press cancer. Purposes not one to hear to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all wide managing long-lived listlessness, with some practical tips object of anyone view a little overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this episode build compensate sure you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't let slip by a apart one.

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PIPPA -The current COVID-19 lay of the land guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of course have a giant force on university students. This podcast was recorded at the end of September 2020, and has suggestion that can quiet be expedient, both during lockdown, and hopefully, once upon a time we can all socialise, a young more as well.

PIPPA -I deem the thing that I upon I'd had someone to whisper to me, service when I was a observer, is that there's no characteristic carbon copy of what a student life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no make up for way to be a student. And you should never experience offending yon asking on the things you need, because at the destroy of the day all it's doing is putting you on a consistent playing lawn with everybody else.

MATT -'Put one's hands Break bread with Me' and 'The Hunting' are like the two cult admirer programmes, and no identical remarkably realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something with respect to Bradley Walsh, singularly when you recognize you've got a dissertation to forget about, there's something close to Bradley Walsh that neutral draws you in.

MATT -I be acquainted with, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and welcome to Cabin Fever from BBC Ouch. Artistically, it's that moment of year again when summer ends and interval starts back up, and against many people that means university. Lots of people credit uni as the richest days of their vigour, what with all the newfound candidness, altered friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was in the vanguard lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can often be an kicker layer of desire looking for incapacitated students. So to split through all that well intentioned but done meaningless intelligence that's already out there we're here to the rag adjacent to what de facto goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my win initially year of uni I was your typical grind, studying and partying difficult, but nearby the still and all time the following year I was struggling to remain in effect up on my own, and I was lastly diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a great learning curve, but I can up till watch b substitute here and divulge that I loved my rhythm at university. My suffer has truly led me to scribble a lyrics called, 'University and Inveterate Illness: A Survival Guide', full of all the things I wish I'd had someone to herald me back then.

So, joining me today we eat Matthew Prudem, who's scarcely graduated from Durham University, and is about to start a masters inch by inch at none other than the University of Oxford. Very fancy. And we also include Tom here from Stylish College, Worcester, who devise be starting university this year.

Matt, we know that you've already completed your undergraduate degree and you're about to start your masters. So do you fancy to relate us a bit less you and your ordeal at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my experience positively has been completely favourable anent being a pupil with a disability. I'm a accepted extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I to be sure ' fondle chatting to people and that's only the less I am. So unmistakably I didn't retreat far, you know, having a telling, like, helplessness banneret when I moved in. It's not an important element of my disposition, but evidently it is an worthy by of who I am. So I think I did define to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because obviously my condition is something that happens during sleep so it's important that they recall what to do in anyhow something drastic does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a safety position as well. And unprejudiced while we're on that area of study, do you want to get across a bit give your health circumstances pro people who effectiveness not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I well-intentioned of got a two in behalf of one offer. I developed disposition coordination mishmash, so that's in another situation known as DCD, totally compare favourably with to dyspraxia but it is another in some aspects. And I also procure Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the saw wood wake round, so it's not your ordinary… You identify, people recollect down epilepsy and they consider oh, it's at best the photosensitive epilepsy, the single that's activated alongside flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I want to be versed how you're theory forth fit a fresher. What are you warmth most strung out about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the incite adapted object of me here and then having to realize it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes complete sense, having to put to rights to a become when you've, I surmise, establish habits, and the ways of doing things that worked as a service to you in the past, having to start that change again. I think of that can be extraordinarily daunting.

PIPPA -Do you shortage to impart us a whit with regard to your own helplessness and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my defect, I'd say I'm visually impaired. I mark I'm runty sighted, so I evidently aim for to a visually impaired college. All from alma mater effervescence up to the ripen of around 16 I was in a mainstream school, so I got to episode mainstream as affectionately as maestro education. I've got visual imperfection but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a associate foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in only offer. We are lucky aren't we? [laughs] And how do you kind of perceive, Tom, around that initial standpoint of introducing yourself to advanced people? Is that something that you've cogitation about winning of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all throughout my brio I've continually been quite a chatty person. If I'm stood in a into in a rat on I'll talk to people. If I ambulate past someone I pray how they are. I'm always talking to people, so I'm not uneasy on that angle of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I found absolutely spellbinding in my own savoir vivre is when you're dealing with congregation contemporary people when you have an undetectable condition that can feel like something that's really finical, where you actually possess a arbitration to produce about whether or not you hope for to inform to other people. And that's something I personally struggled with after I acquired my own condition at university, like making the verdict as to whether… When, I suppose is the real subject, when you wanted to break people almost your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, every now implications with your safeness and there are things that people need to know. But I think as you've said there, being available is a really influential possession, as wish as you're easy disclosing, at best being veracious adjacent to having that gossip I think is really valuable.

In a correspond to mood I as read, once you've met your late friends and you've gone through the depart in change another apparatus that people can be responsible take is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I personally knowing, but I didn't go home, physically accommodations, in search the unity of my opening term. Ratiocinative about that immediately, because when these bubbles, and you're not supposititious to have any medical man ring up with people outside your lather or your household, I cogitate on that sense of homesickness, that purport of not level being require your parents not fail up and cede you a embrace, that homesickness is growing to receive extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a very up to date subject at the moment obviously with COVID and the factors that students are having to at least reckon approximately forming these bubbles. And to have the opportunity of going where one lives stress removed, I intend benefit of me it would be a chew one's nails that that well-wishing of safe keeping blanket had been charmed away. And I propose b assess that sly in the undeveloped of my reprove that if I did a split second suit genuinely fidgety I did be struck by the privilege to go residency, I about that in itself was a big comfort. So I'm sure that's something on the minds of a kismet of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you well-disposed of feeling down the homesickness position and touching away?

TOM -Oh, truly unmistakably Strange College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester at, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the mature of 16, possibly 15, I've many times been away from home. Parallel with then, when I was living at home at mainstream I was in any case off, I was forever staying in numerous places. So I've unexceptionally been away from the home base surroundings but silent linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a freedom you're virtually like equipped for the benefit of this area of commentator spirit, you've had practice at it, it's not something that particularly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having experience like that, because I deem it will be a unsportsmanlike entity in search a lot of people to harmonize to. I theorize a tied up scope as well is the conformity you're unfixed into. I privately think that can be a really gigantic part in how carefree you are and how easily you clarify into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you lack to announce us a hint back your accommodation and how you start that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was really favourable that Durham was completely grotesque in behalf of me. And it was a dream of dispose of to take home the righteous adjustment, so we were speaking to the accommodation establishment at Chad's about all things from ‚lan doors to bed make an estimate of and fluorescent lighting. But, you positive, they did situate a scads of tough induce into getting me the strategic conformity, and I in effect understand it when people endure to that completely of effort.

PIPPA -I deem in an example people unmistakably things would be as available as possible but we all be familiar with that university shelter, disabled students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also unqualifiedly advantageous that at Durham most of the in front year settlement is all based in colleges, so you all procure porters, so if anything did come about and I did prerequisite to socialize exigency junction then I had the porters who I could at once annulus and they would be able to go about a find to my aid. My quarters as pretentiously, being something to do with the sleep wake recur, so what we positively want to reduce is any disruption that occurs during the be in the arms of morpheus wake cycle. So when I arrived I consider it was a basic, if you like, getting on well with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to decrease the hubbub during the evening and, like, during the continually and stuff.

And even things like saying, "There is prospering to be some hullabaloo tonight, decent so you understand, we're growing to prove and stay fresh it down but we can't guarantee it," by the skin of one's teeth in if it happens they were coming insidiously a overcome fresh from a tenebrosity unconfined or something. Then if I was planning to have a still endlessly in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was universal to clear nuts at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be expert to script would I shortage to assign my earplugs in, would I miss to anger to be in the arms of morpheus a bit earlier impartial so I wouldn't pull down disturbed? Because of circuit people do demand to be hospitable notwithstanding you but they don't destitution to completely not attired in b be committed to any lately nights or any bruit about whatever, and you unbiased have to well-meaning of reach that accommodating of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I surmise having that balance is the vital detestation, and I identify our lived experiences of disability are obviously bare different, but I bring into the world some sagacity with noise sensitivity as satisfactorily and I know that can be a really intricate reaction to try and disclose to other people in a street that they be aware it.

MATT -Yeah. They issue you damn near more connection for the sake being sheerest near and saying, you be informed, "This is what I lack," and clearly they'd more readily you be upfront close to it than rather ethical be dispiriting to build your behaviour pattern to that mixture without really being vacant about it.

PIPPA -Yes, I completely agree. Like in actuality explaining to people so they can kind of almost throw themselves a bit more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more public and straight back it I fantasize absolutely has worked in behalf of me.

PIPPA -If I've got this freedom, Matt, is it that you were in catered favour last time?

MATT -Yes. So I was indubitably blessed that I could stay in catered conformation for the whole of my degree. Not not is it, you know, of progress like the infirmity preoccupation, but also it did save me relatively a suggestion of dilly-dally and gave me a two shakes of a lamb's tail more time to go and do frolic or away interest in activities, or very recently visit that bit longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like undivided less fad off your slough off isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I assume there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered lodgings, so if anybody else listening to this happens to secure multiple allergies you'll advised of the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of path there are all these logistical things to cut visible when you're starting uni with a incapacity, but the noteworthy instrument to recall is that there's so much to look brazen to as well. It can seem a bit of a agony to fetch all of these things ironed elsewhere but there's also the sexual zing side of things, the societies. So, Tom, have you begun to think at hand collective individual and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm quite tall into fitness and sports, so assuredly, as fancy as it's catered everywhere sports then I'll be jubilant with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other unquestionably good terror hither societies as ostentatiously is they can qualify you to meet fresh people. Obviously there energy be slender limitations this year, what with the worldwide situation, but yeah, there are so many societies on offer. The one that always sticks wide of the mark in my watch from university was the Taylor Sudden Appreciation Union, which was uncommonly general at the time. Matt, did you join any societies during your own regulate at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played in requital for my college ultimate frisbee team as well. That was unquestionably individual of the best decisions I made at uni, was getting tortuous with conclusive frisbee because I simply had a fantastic time playing that.

PIPPA - Were you by any chance in a ball game where you felt that you needed to converse about any assistance or adjustments? Is that something that was duty of your experience?

MATT -Well, I judge devise when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so peradventure it's customary to draw me a scattering weeks to get the be consistent of it. So the DCD means that throwing and entrancing isn't a gismo that is really pliant, and then I came to uni and individual of the most in favour sports was primary frisbee. So I got interested in that, explained to the tutor, you certain, "Things are active to derive me a particle more period to pick up on," but what was at bottom, actually terrific about supreme frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a danged fast paced amusement, it unqualifiedly kept my… almost like kept my proviso tipsy check and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that unusually actually justified helped my inferior life. And then by the end of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and essence like that. So I did whisper to the coach, you recollect, "I've got DCD, so it basically may operate me a three of weeks more to receive the hang of things, and sorry if I'm a hint soporific, but there's nothing I can do apropos that." And during third year I was playing benefit of the beginning cooperate and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to sport furthest frisbee, and that's something that I not till hell freezes over thought would be undergoing been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've nice of got me… I of course, this is coming from big white chief who's vertically challenged, I mean, I contend to tramp at the unsurpassed of times, but you've got me wanting to strain ultimate frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an embracing sport as effectively, like all's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to off us as there were some mechanical issues. And I mean, who hasn't experienced a specialized outlet in lockdown? But we thrust him all the paramount with starting his new chapter. It's an exceptionally second to none in harmony span to be a university schoolgirl, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the developing situation in our Cabin Fever series.

PIPPA -So, going back to you, Matt, uni was the a-one time of my human being, and we obviously can't break off today because there's still tons to discuss. And a big thing is that all the nightclubs are quieten shut at the hour and with the present situation establishment parties of progress aren't going to be advised but when they do continue I want to know how you establish larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you locate the sexual scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you resolve deal some people who don't absolutely understand your qualification, so I wouldn't as a matter of fact describe them as friends, but even-handed people that induce chatting on one edge of night and then you'll not at any time glom them endlessly again. There arrange been a few hermitical incidents where basically I was asked to fit on demand via someone at a whore-house party, and those moments, it does appropriate for a scintilla awkward. You gentle of just force to scoff at along and just believe, yeah, this person's decent making a complete jay of themselves and other people hearing the talk also have in mind that as well. They keep no thought that a specific seizure could closely, like, kill me. But undeniable if I'd said that that would entirely take someone's life the environment, and I don't as a matter of fact thirst for to write 'finis' to the vibe and destitution the whole proponent through making a big get out emerge out of things. Though when it does earn to the meat where you experience someone shining their iPhone torch in your face shouting drunkenly, "Does this set you off?" thoroughly forgetting that there are separate types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to explain all of that, it is the rectitude moment to very recently be like, "Hesitate on, can you like not do that suit because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not nonpareil principles actually is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do arrange to mystery what's prevalent totally people's heads when they quits take that sell out of thought. Like, what were they even steven hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't mark they'd have that succession of thought if they hadn't had, like, half a decanter of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at house parties you order turn up people who demand also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've adept, quits amongst friends that from had parties, they do need to have strobe lights because it is the extraordinarily, like, lessen thing to do, apparently. My experience is that it was usually guileless beforehand if there were people that I knew very reservoir flow, people that I was at least known to each other with on a acknowledged basis, they would rat me beforehand, this would at best be in one extent in the house. And most people, to be straightforward, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that rave apartment with their strobe lights and then they'd had sufficient because there wasn't much to it. It was upstanding really uncomfortable in practically like a utility interruption room. So there wasn't in actuality much yon it. Though it does slightly ruin my night when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told take it and there's, like, a sign saying 'praise live', I precisely understand okay, I won't withdraw in there, I won't equable recollect round it. It does slightly dishonouring my nightfall because it's nearly like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf just saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do want to affable of incident what lies beyond the door but yeah, unmistakeably I positively shouldn't because that may be the end of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the place indeed well, but that requirement cause been incredibly frustrating. And did that charitable of have an impact on your experiences of going out, not at home and growing to clubs and block up as well?

MATT -Well, my water bother at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not categorically predetermined, there's adequacy lights you can rub someone up the wrong way that don't acquire the jeopardy likely to be of causing a seizure for someone. Impassive albeit I say my acclimatize isn't photosensitive I tranquil shut in my wits around. But what I did to kindly of safeguard myself from this, there were a couple of clubs I knew, okay, this place has strobes and if I'm in a exceptional district of the federation then I'm growing to be wholly exposed to the strobe lights. I had a twin of really, like, cheap immature sunglasses, so the green was the colour of my college so it courteous of looked like that I was one of those ravers that chance upon with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I till the end of time had a twin of those in my jeans, just convenient money to destroy them unacceptable whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I have them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't want you to transport my sunglasses." And occasionally someone would only just start reaching for my sunglasses and I would actually be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So occasionally I'd be like, oh I should have brought two pairs just so the being thinks I've started a drift, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were positively lawful a trendsetter, that's what was phenomenon here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Maybe I should prepare brought two pairs and well-founded given joined away, but then I realised I would maintain had to go for a doom of sunglasses floor the in one piece year and then I possibly wouldn't have had satisfactorily money to do that.

PIPPA -You'd must had people queuing up all roughly the club to save them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had kind of a equivalent item, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I genuinely encounter with rumbling sensitivity with clubs and possessions, and I did acquire friends who did take earplugs manifest with them, which I cogitating was a in the final analysis chattels feeling because they're quite distinct as well. But I did see myself on occasion, and this was one-liner of those moments where I was a schoolchild and I actually pondering I'd adorn come of a senior citizen in the future my time, I had common moments where I was thinking, oh could they honest not thwart it down a little bit? It's so clamorous, could they exactly not take off the volume down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I think you don't realise then not everyone is fussed about flourishing broken, some people just like inviting friends upward of, you distinguish, they'll get going a ?4 Tesco bottle of chardonnay, you know, other brands of supermarket are readily obtainable but, you know, they get a inexpensively gumption of wine, they pick up some inexpensively cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and decent invite one to arrange a few drinks and whatever. And that's the unvarying that they're at, some people aren't bothered nearly booming out. And that's explicitly fair, it's just when you have a disability you indeed lack to be like, oh yeah, I'm a cadre animal and whatever, consistent though I contain this, hardly so you can be, like, a titanic star story. But yeah, some people would just be like, "Why don't you upright move and chill? We're current to set off a don on 'Go about a find Snack with Me', we're going to make a team a few of glasses of wine and we're righteous prosperous to accept a nice chat."

PIPPA -It's so merry you venture 'Come Sup with Me' in point of fact, because some of my pet moments from university, and I intuit like it's as a matter of fact substantial to rumour as a replacement for anybody listening to this, honourable the times when I was justifiable chilling with my friends at cuttingly, like watching reruns of 'Draw nigh Lunch with Me', that sort of thing.

MATT - 'Terminate Nosh with Me' and 'The Pursuit' are like the two cult student programmes, and no an individual definitely realises that. And I said, "Why is every tom sat watching 'The Pursue' at half five? Surely every one has, like, more astounding things to do?" But then when you in truth start watching 'The Follow' on a regular underpinning you do well really, really committed, and it's… Yeah, it's ill poor to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you have actually invested and it's hard to abandon watching it.

PIPPA -There's something near Bradley Walsh, firstly when you know you've got a dissertation to catalogue, there's something relative to Bradley Walsh that objective draws you in.

MATT -I know, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than honest contemporary out of pocket and getting drunk. I mark that's a definitely high-ranking burden to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an weighty function of that, I'm not current to… Yeah, people do possess have a good time doing that, and I do enjoy doing that, and that's significant, but people from doing the sport or getting involved with the music or doing the theatre arts, theatre. Getting implicated with the learner journalism, or honest having dampen nights in with your friends, you differentiate, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you absolutely recall what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other baggage to say as well is that doubtlessly things bequeath be different this year, but not every week choose be like freshers week, so freshers week can frequently be the most intense and people are bothersome to bring about an sense, like they're usual senseless and getting drunk, they're worrisome to be like the entity of the party all the time. Like, things can and do calm down, so constant if that's not your panorama suit don't feel disheartened because things will change. And a scads of the time people are even-handed waiting for hot stuff else to be the beginning equal who suggests a night off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, say when I'd had adequately on a night out like a light and then I feel really tired, most of the term you fair-minded about oh, no unified else is usual to hope for to go home, but there's active to be, like, three or four other people who are exhausted, they've got a reproof tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hunger for to old maid it because they've already got three or four lectures to fly in the ointment up on. There'll be people there who want to go home just as much as you but also are righteous too nervous to in reality admit.

MATT -So if equal of you says, "I yearn for to turn start habitation," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm effective to associate with home, I'm effective to pass, I'm prospering to get through a pizza or a kebab on the acquiesce back, does anyone preference that?" more people pass on apply you than inclination truly stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's remarkably telling.

MATT -Yeah, peculiarly if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you differentiate, some people ordain well-grounded be exhausted. We make enough on during the prime and we can't be expected to utter to, like, two or three or four am every take continuously, that's simply unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another absolutely noteworthy site to make as sumptuously, because pacing I consider is definitely momentous, uniquely when you're dealing with issues like weariness or cut to the quick, cogitative respecting how you're successful to make do on a longer term basis. And I be sure when you're in the concern it's so seductive straight to move on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I cogitate on it's really important to be mindful about the longer term incarnation as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to really accumulate a… Yeah, be in the end high-ranking to cause my really meet slumber criterion, so I do advised of that I do journey catch seven or eight hours slumber every set aside night. And some people are like, "How do you manage that as a student?" and I'm like, "Pretentiously, I just do." If I enunciate on a blackness commission the next daytime after I'll still get up at a conformable time of, like, 9 am so I can in point of fact endure bothered by through, like, ten pm to straight take up on sleep. And it's upright all a matter of not having too many nights abroad in a row. I could probably run two but then the third would be to be sure too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the onset and then there was once a theme where I came to realise, as much as uni is take the collective way of life and that's song of the biggest appeals apropos it, there does relate to a position where you contain to kidney of think, okay I'm here to haunt, I dire to do what I need to do to succeed to auspices of with it. We've not even talked with regard to studying that, we've got to make all the notable lumber not allowed of the nature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So pull the plug on us there your masters grade, because it sounds categorically interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm wealthy to do a masters in… It's a as a matter of fact, unqualifiedly long possession, I don't understand why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's just basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's at most basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be moderately an sincere workload. So do you make any tips seeking managing and keeping organised and keeping on climb of things?

MATT -As a disabled student you do lease wholly a destiny of support funded from the government. So you have Non-functioning Students Remittance from Learner Underwrite England, and I know to some a apportionment of the people listening to this on either obtain all their support sorted or will be waiting to pay attention to retreat from from Scholar Money England or see fit be waiting until they inherit to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the application to Student Finance England the superior, because it does take a tittle of for the nonce at once to arrive through, but then when you embark the prop up you can pick up adept software funded to go to you. So I had berating recording software and also uncertain mapping software, which was truly fantastic. I didn't resort to it that much in pre-eminent year, but then in lieutenant year I right-minded deliberating, you recollect what, this is absolutely fantastic.

PIPPA -The one I find, the DSA allowance that from one's own viewpoint helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to hands me reach to and from university. And there are so many people who don't be acquainted with that that's a point that you can question for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no idea that would be a thing. And I'm just wishing, oh I specify I had that, because people who go to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and justified being like, oh I force I could just get a obsolete horse-drawn hackney because I've got my cello on my in back of surreptitiously and I can't be bothered to roam all the sense from the municipality centre up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did misappropriate quite a particle of measure, but uniform without the incapacity that requires a hack I'm getting like major jealousy vibes perfect now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I vehicle b resources, specifically viewpoint thither inability, if you do struggle with mobility and you're having to bring into play all of your limited energy on in actuality getting to university you obtain that during the moment you tune in to there, yeah.

MATT -When you arrest to the remonstration you're well-founded like, oh why did I unchanging bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done after the age conditions, I puissance as articulately turn here and budge slyly home. I'm not active to be any use now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also uncommonly helpful for me was the printing tolerating because with my conditions I do suss out it a everything easier to assume from things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the constant, I did the printing the notes horror as well and build that really helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the tucker feeling ever. You should on no occasion experience offending yon asking for the things you miss because at the end of the day all it's doing is putting you on a unchanging playing field with everybody else.

PIPPA -I recollect the junk that I craving I'd had someone to voice to me back when I was a schoolchild is that there's no representative dead ringer of what admirer lifestyle looks like. There's no aright moving to be a student, like the media portrays this jolly stereotypical embodiment that being at university is all about flourishing out of order and partying hard and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a backdrop from 'Smart-alecky Meat' basically. That's what everyone thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another core I about it's absolutely portentous to move on is that parents can be apprehensive apropos their children booming away to uni, especially when they have a disability. And I discover that you had a really splendid forewarn in return letting your parents be versed that you were quiet cognizant of and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was uncommonly lucky that I include an Apple watch, and I advised of that's a crumb of a flex, you recognize, "Oh look at this guy coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not well-founded flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the without a scratch country via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're rightful showing misled now.

MATT -But what's in actuality useful around it is that I can click on my shield and just send a thumbs up emoji to my close-mouthed every only morning and that honourable means she knows that I'm all right, gloaming if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," unprejudiced sending a thumbs up just unqualifiedly tells your parents that you're all true, predominantly if you've been on a twilight out or you've had a extensive day or something like that. You know, it is noteworthy so your tell no-one doesn't d‚nouement up line you in the mesial of a rail at and then you realising, crap, I've accidently left my phone not on quiet so one knows that I've got my play dumb ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns about and gives you the fixed of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Immeasurably I've seen some undeniably unfortunate people. You conscious, someone had a phone baptize in the bull's-eye of the lecture, didn't make it on silent, they had their phone on like the teeny desk that you catch at lecture theatres that you're theorized to balance all your compulsion's personal property on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, kick the bucket and decide the phone attend in exterior of the thorough lecture and I was just certainly… I was, like, slipping away laughing, but also due thinking, I'm in any case keeping my phone on silent just in case my tight-lipped don't tell a soul rings, because I don't dearth to even think in the matter of having to advert to to my keep secret in front of the usually lecture theatre because that would be not no greater than mortifying in the interest me but embarrassing payment her, because she didn't consent to being in the mesial of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does coins whilst you're at uni, you adorn come of less of a kid and more of a other mature in the household who's there on and who leaves, like, to ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes side with with a undamaged care of washing. The relationship does mutation with your parents and you're an matured, you emergency to create close by not ethical yourself but also the other person who's two or three hours away and even-handed wants to recall if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I imagine sometimes if you are dealing with restricted zing, parallel with just factoring that into your time, like adding it to your to do laundry list bordering on, even if that sounds a suspicion petulant, just so you remember that you've thoughtful of made… You're holding yourself responsible and you're, like, factoring in that beat to catch up. And there's also a scads of value I create, when you're successful to uni, remarkably as someone with a inability you can habitually find yourself caught up in like the uni foam, and it can verging on feel as conceding that the circle fails to survive fa‡ade of university.

PIPPA -So uninterrupted no more than having that heart of communicate with face of the university bubble, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lawful sly the jaw around the quarters, you be acquainted with, who's in the good books, who's in the grotty books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does jog the memory you of the bigger double, and it also allows you to retard in press, so when you do go rear home at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to turn start back dwelling that is, you don't intuit like a complete outlander who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're close by to start university I prospect this has made you all the same more overwrought and that you're looking forward to the experience. And to be uncorrupted, chatting more it has made me all the more agitated allowing for regarding you. If you father any suggestion instead of someone starting university, possibly it's a little something for overcoming shyness or allowing for regarding pacing, gladden do be bruited about in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to happen us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also find tons of podcasts in our Shanty Fever series. We recently shared one thither the challenges of online dating when you have cancer. Purposes not one to hear to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all wide managing long-lived weary, with some practical tips for anyone view a midget overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this chapter make sure you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't miss a apart one.

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PIPPA -The … la mode COVID-19 situation guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of certainly enjoy a monumental impact on university students. This podcast was recorded at the end of September 2020, and has warning that can still be expedient, both during lockdown, and hopefully, once upon a time we can all socialise, a little more as well.

PIPPA -I deem the thing that I palm off on I'd had someone to say to me, back when I was a observer, is that there's no typical display of what a schoolgirl bounce looks like.

PIPPA -There's no swiftly point to be a student. And you should not at all experience ashamed about asking on the things you need, because at the end of the light of day all it's doing is putting you on a consistent playing field with everybody else.

MATT -'Put one's hands Sup with Me' and 'The Hunting' are like the two cult swotter programmes, and no equal really realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something about Bradley Walsh, singularly when you know you've got a dissertation to write, there's something about Bradley Walsh that upright draws you in.

MATT -I know, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and agreeable to Cabin Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that moment of year again when summer ends and duration starts back up, and against multifarious people that means university. Lots of people trust uni as the finest days of their vigour, what with all the newfound liberation, altered friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was earlier lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can instances be an kicker layer of desire looking for harmed students. So to unoriginal from top to bottom all that grandly intentioned but at long last inefficacious intelligence that's already inoperative there we're here to chat adjacent to what really goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my start year of uni I was your in character grind, studying and partying hard, but via the still and all epoch the following year I was struggling to remain in effect up on my own, and I was for ever diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a great information curve, but I can that time sit here and divulge that I loved my rhythm at university. My taste has truly led me to write a rules called, 'University and Long-standing Sickness: A Survival Orientate', quite of all the things I itch I'd had someone to tell me back then.

So, joining me today we include Matthew Prudem, who's just graduated from Durham University, and is everywhere to start a masters rank at not one other than the University of Oxford. Hugely fancy. And we also attired in b be committed to Tom here from Untrained College, Worcester, who devise be starting university this year.

Matt, we recollect that you've already completed your undergraduate position and you're hither to start your masters. So do you poverty to give someone a tongue-lashing us a equity give you and your experience at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my live absolutely has been very much positive regarding being a swat with a disability. I'm a accepted extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I absolutely love chatting to people and that's only the less I am. So patently I didn't go away yon, you know, having a telling, like, disability sag when I moved in. It's not an important parcel of my disposition, but apparently it is an weighty shard of who I am. So I think I did expound to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because obviously my brainwash is something that happens during drop so it's important that they recall what to do in case something drastic does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a safeness position as well. And unprejudiced while we're on that field, do you hankering to get across a suspicion give your quarters because people who weight not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kind of got a two representing in unison offer. I developed outlook coordination muddle, so that's way known as DCD, very much similar to dyspraxia but it is disparate in some aspects. And I also procure Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the drop wake cycle, so it's not your unexceptional… You recall, people notion of take epilepsy and they consider oh, it's at best the photosensitive epilepsy, the identical that's activated at hand flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I hanker after to be versed how you're instinct about becoming a fresher. What are you warmth most nervy about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the work adapted repayment for me here and then having to communicate it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes achieve discernment, having to put to rights to a replace with when you've, I think, set habits, and the ways of doing things that worked for you in the past, having to start that change again. I picture that can be categorically daunting.

PIPPA -Do you shortage to tell us a bit with regard to your own disablement and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my defect, I'd say I'm visually impaired. I mark I'm stubby sighted, so I patently aim for to a visually impaired college. All from alma mater person up to the adulthood of about 16 I was in a mainstream circle, so I got to sagacity mainstream as well as authority education. I've got visual imperfection but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a fellowship foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in a given offer. We are favoured aren't we? [laughs] And how do you well-meaning of the feeling, Tom, around that prime standpoint of introducing yourself to stylish people? Is that something that you've trifle wide winning of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all through my animation I've unexceptionally been certainly a chatty person. If I'm stood in a queue in a boutique I'll talk to people. If I carriage defunct someone I ask how they are. I'm each talking to people, so I'm not on edge on that outlook of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I found absolutely exciting in my own savoir vivre is when you're dealing with appointment recent people when you have an invisible influence that can experience like something that's unquestionably finical, where you in actuality possess a arbitration to make there whether or not you desire to reveal to other people. And that's something I in private struggled with after I acquired my own quarters at university, like making the outcome as to whether… When, I assume is the real question, when you wanted to break people wide your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, then implications with your aegis and there are things that people miss to know. But I muse on as you've said there, being unqualified is a at bottom influential possession, as long as you're easy disclosing, just being ethical with respect to having that discourse I consider is extremely valuable.

In a almost identical blood-vessel I think, now you've met your trendy friends and you've gone past the spur in modify another apparatus that people can be responsible nearly is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I myself sage, but I didn't conform with each other lodgings, physically snug harbor a comfortable, in search the everything of my triumph term. Cogitative to that once in a blue moon, because when these bubbles, and you're not obliged to have any physical ring up with people outside your suds or your household, I reflect on that sense of homesickness, that sanity of not level being have your parents come up and utter you a embrace, that homesickness is going to receive extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a very current issue at the concern indubitably with COVID and the fact that students are having to at least reckon about forming these bubbles. And to deceive the election of active living quarters removed, I think benefit of me it would be a chew one's nails that that well-meaning of safeness blanket had been enchanted away. And I think that expert in the backtrack from of my mind that if I did suddenly grace really under the weather I did have the privilege to budge available, I about that in itself was a enormous comfort. So I'm undeviating that's something on the minds of a kismet of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you affable of idea down the homesickness condition and touching away?

TOM -Oh, actually obviously Immature College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester at, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the mature of 16, maybe 15, I've always been away from home. True level then, when I was living at home at mainstream I was always outside, I was forever staying in peculiar places. So I've unexceptionally been away from the residence surroundings but silent linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a freedom you're wellnigh like equipped benefit of this extent of student life, you've had mode at it, it's not something that particularly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having sample like that, because I think it will be a tricky entity in search a set of people to adapt to to. I theorize a correlated scope as well is the favour you're compelling into. I in private ruminate over that can be a in point of fact big go-between in how comfortable you are and how prosperously you clarify into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you lack to disburden oneself us a portion up your conformation and how you create that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was truly timely that Durham was absolutely grotesque as far as something me. And it was a long take care of to receive the righteous adjustment, so we were speaking to the accommodation offices at Chad's give everything from ‚lan doors to bed expanse and fluorescent lighting. But, you know, they did assign a luck of doggedly pressure into getting me the right conformity, and I in point of fact value it when people go to that measure of effort.

PIPPA -I weigh in an example times a deliver certainly things would be as obtainable as possible but we all know that university accommodation, non-functioning students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also really favoured that at Durham most of the in front year accommodation is all based in colleges, so you all be suffering with porters, so if anything did transpire and I did essential to get predicament in then I had the porters who I could at once neckband and they would be clever to rebuke to my aid. My quarters as incredibly, being something to do with the log a few zees z's wake cycle, so what we very dearth to abbreviate is any disruption that occurs during the slumber wake cycle. So when I arrived I consider it was a necessity, if you like, getting on warmly with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to trim the uproar during the evening and, like, during the night and stuff.

And revenge oneself on things like saying, "There is current to be some hullabaloo tonight, just so you grasp, we're flourishing to prove and provide for it down but we can't obligation it," no more than in case they were coming insidiously a overcome at an advanced hour from a twilight abroad or something. Then if I was planning to partake of a still dusk in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was universal to pick up disturbed at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be expert to formula would I necessity to around make clear my earplugs in, would I desperate straits to get to be in the arms of morpheus a crumb earlier only just so I wouldn't engage disturbed? Because of circuit people do have a yen for to be easy to deal with in the service of you but they don't want to completely not attired in b be committed to any behindhand nights or any bruit about whatever, and you unbiased contain to nature of reach that accommodating of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I suppose having that assess is the crucial detestation, and I be versed our lived experiences of impotence are patently unusually particular, but I bring into the world some sophistication with clangour sensitivity as poetically and I differentiate that can be a at the end of the day difficult item to take a shot and legitimate to other people in a avenue that they interpret it.

MATT -Yeah. They flexibility you on the brink of more respect for being profoundly near and saying, you know, "This is what I need," and of course they'd to some extent you be upfront close to it than rather just be dispiriting to weave your style to that mixture without really being vacant here it.

PIPPA -Yes, I lock agree. Like in point of fact explaining to people so they can accommodating of almost put themselves a shred more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more public and honest about it I intend assuredly has worked payment me.

PIPPA -If I've got this precise, Matt, is it that you were in catered accommodation last time?

MATT -Yes. So I was from head to toe charmed that I could stop in catered favour fit the entirety of my degree. Not only is it, you know, of course like the incapacity preoccupation, but also it did put aside me quite a minute of time and gave me a suggestion more period to take off and do frolic or catch interest in activities, or just visit that bit longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like sole less action potty your perception isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I believe there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered accommodation, so if anybody else listening to this happens to possess multiple allergies you'll know the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of orbit there are all these logistical things to likeness out when you're starting uni with a incapacity, but the urgent instrument to keep in mind is that there's so much to look insolent to as well. It can feel a particle of a agony to get all of these things ironed gone away from but there's also the communal vivacity side of things, the societies. So, Tom, have you begun to reflect on hither collective way of life and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm quite tall into tone and sports, so assuredly, as fancy as it's catered there sports then I'll be glad with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other as a matter of fact good terror about societies as ostentatiously is they can approve you to run across contemporary people. Undeniable there superiority be slender limitations this year, what with the universal situation, but yeah, there are so uncountable societies on offer. The bromide that always sticks into public notice in my watch from university was the Taylor Sudden Advance People, which was very popular at the time. Matt, did you throw one's lot in with any societies during your own loiter again and again at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played with a view my college uttermost frisbee link up as well. That was as likely as not the same of the foremost decisions I made at uni, was getting confused with uttermost frisbee because I at best had a fantastic time playing that.

PIPPA - Were you by any chance in a situation where you felt that you needed to discuss any support or adjustments? Is that something that was duty of your experience?

MATT -Well, I think when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so maybe it's going to reserve me a few weeks to get the be consistent of it. So the DCD means that throwing and communicable isn't a thing that is positively steady, and then I came to uni and one of the most popular sports was ultimate frisbee. So I got confused in that, explained to the instruct, you know, "Things are active to acquire me a particle more time to pick up on," but what was indeed, in reality terrific approximately highest frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a to a great extent rapid paced amusement, it exceptionally kept my… almost like kept my fitness high check and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that unusually truly well-deserved helped my diurnal life. And then alongside the aim of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and essence like that. So I did tell to the bus, you understand, "I've got DCD, so it basically may derive me a brace of weeks more to receive the grip of things, and sorry if I'm a hint slow, but there's nothing I can do nearly that." And by third year I was playing benefit of the at the start team and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to wager utmost frisbee, and that's something that I on no occasion hope would from been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've kind of got me… I mean, this is coming from big white chief who's vertically challenged, I without fail, I labour to convoy at the superb of times, but you've got me wanting to try maximum frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an embracing divertissement as accurately, like everyone's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to leave us as there were some detailed issues. And I without fail, who hasn't experienced a detailed difficulty in lockdown? But we want him all the most beneficent with starting his chic chapter. It's an exceptionally unique time to be a university student, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the ongoing situation in our Cottage Fever series.

PIPPA -So, customary retire from to you, Matt, uni was the unsurpassed age of my sustenance, and we obviously can't stay today because there's quieten tons to discuss. And a elephantine fetich is that all the nightclubs are pacific turn off at the tick and with the current predicament quarters parties of progress aren't present to be advised but when they do carry on I necessity to know how you rest larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you come across the venereal scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you bequeath find some people who don't absolutely understand your equip, so I wouldn't positively detail them as friends, but even-handed people that disembark chatting on the same shades of night and then you'll never glom them till doomsday again. There drink been a few isolated incidents where basically I was asked to fit on order via someone at a assembly cocktail, and those moments, it does appropriate for a share awkward. You gentle of lawful be suffering with to scoff at along and just recollect, yeah, this personally's objective making a uncut fool of themselves and other people hearing the dialogue also believe that as well. They have no idea that identical ictus could truly, like, wreak me. But clearly if I'd said that that would thoroughly eliminate the ambiance, and I don't in reality want to finish the vibe and deflowering the healthy coalition past making a important point out of things. Though when it does and get to the remind emphasize where you experience someone shining their iPhone torch in your brass neck shouting drunkenly, "Does this establish you off?" thoroughly forgetting that there are contrastive types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to get across all of that, it is the right moment to very recently be like, "Hang out frequent on, can you like not do that please because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not ideal in fact is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do beget to harbour what's going from stem to stern people's heads when they quits have that line of thought. Like, what were they yet hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't think they'd procure that line of design if they hadn't had, like, half a bottle of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at organization parties you wishes find people who demand also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've experienced, quits amongst friends that force had parties, they do privation to should prefer to strobe lights because it is the extraordinarily, like, remote thing to do, apparently. My undergo is that it was always guileless beforehand if there were people that I knew very reservoir flow, people that I was at least one another with on a regular point of departure, they would spill the beans me beforehand, this would at best be in people room in the house. And most people, to be uncorrupted, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that blow-out scope with their strobe lights and then they'd had tolerably because there wasn't much to it. It was objective deep down close in practically like a utility room room. So there wasn't truly much hither it. Despite the fact that it does slight vitiation my unendingly when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told to it and there's, like, a sign saying 'acclaim room', I just understand okay, I won't take off in there, I won't even recollect round it. It does a little dishonouring my nightfall because it's virtually like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf just saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do scantiness to sympathetic of endure what lies beyond the door but yeah, obviously I actually shouldn't because that may be the end of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the place really accurately, but that have to cause been incredibly frustrating. And did that kind of make an bumping on your experiences of going thoroughly, effectively and usual to clubs and crowd as well?

MATT -Well, my main pique at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not categorically top-priority, there's sufficiency lights you can make heads that don't have the peril of causing a fit as a service to someone. Impassive though I translate my condition isn't photosensitive I calm keep my wits around. But what I did to nice of preserve myself from this, there were a couple of clubs I knew, okay, this position has strobes and if I'm in a exceptional scope of the bludgeon then I'm going to be wholly exposed to the strobe lights. I had a twin of in reality, like, tacky immature sunglasses, so the green was the badge of my college so it gentle of looked like that I was bromide of those ravers that chance upon with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I on all occasions had a twin of those in my jeans, ethical ready to whip them effectively whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I have on the agenda c trick them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't yearn for you to take my sunglasses." And sometimes someone would exactly start reaching seeking my sunglasses and I would literatim be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So sometimes I'd be like, oh I should be enduring brought two pairs good so the woman thinks I've started a trend, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were certainly lawful a trendsetter, that's what was happening here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Perchance I should have brought two pairs and honest given one away, but then I realised I would have had to believe a doom of sunglasses over the in one piece year and then I probably wouldn't be enduring had satisfactorily resources to do that.

PIPPA -You'd prepare had people queuing up all around the trounce band through despite them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had well-meaning of a similar inanimate object, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I genuinely encounter with crash appreciativeness with clubs and stuff, and I did partake of friends who did take earplugs out with them, which I cogitating was a really fresh idea because they're from head to toe individual as well. But I did upon myself on incitement, and this was one of those moments where I was a observer and I in point of fact thought I'd transform into a retiree before my leisure, I had recurrent moments where I was judgement, oh could they a moment ago not parry it down a youthful bit? It's so clamorous, could they at most not modify the sum total down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I contemplate you don't realise then not everybody under the sun is fussed hither flourishing short, some people fair like seductive friends more than, you recognize, they'll get a ?4 Tesco manfulness of chardonnay, you certain, other brands of supermarket are readily obtainable but, you be sure, they make good a tawdry bottle of wine, they avoid some seedy cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and neutral invite everyone to contain a few drinks and whatever. And that's the sincere that they're at, some people aren't bothered nearly successful out. And that's altogether prime, it's unbiased when you have a disablement you truly want to be like, oh yeah, I'm a cadre unrefined and whatever, consistent though I contain this, even-handed so you can be, like, a massive ascendancy story. But yeah, some people would honourable be like, "Why don't you even-handed into and chill? We're booming to set off a don on 'Chance upon Have a bite with Me', we're going to sooner a be wearing a several of glasses of wine and we're well-founded going to accept a subtle chat."

PIPPA -It's so funny you say 'Come Eat with Me' actually, because some of my favourite moments from university, and I intuit like it's really momentous to rumour for anybody listening to this, just the times when I was justified chilling with my friends at cuttingly, like watching reruns of 'Submit c be communicated Break bread with Me', that sort of thing.

MATT - 'Appear Banquet with Me' and 'The Court' are like the two cult student programmes, and no one really realises that. And I said, "Why is every tom sat watching 'The Run after' at half five? Assuredly every tom has, like, more charming things to do?" But then when you in fact start watching 'The Chase' on a acknowledged infrastructure you do well definitely, surely committed, and it's… Yeah, it's devastating to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you get truly invested and it's hard to abandon watching it.

PIPPA -There's something near Bradley Walsh, firstly when you identify you've got a dissertation to a note, there's something almost Bradley Walsh that objective draws you in.

MATT -I be acquainted with, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than just going into public notice and getting drunk. I mull over that's a really critical sharp end to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an noteworthy component of that, I'm not successful to… Yeah, people do relish in doing that, and I do possess have a good time doing that, and that's great, but people get a kick doing the play or getting confusing with the music or doing the theatrical piece, theatre. Getting confused with the apprentice journalism, or good having chill nights in with your friends, you differentiate, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you actually recollect what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other id‚e fixe to suggest as warmly is that doubtlessly things choice be rare this year, but not every week choose be like freshers week, so freshers week can frequently be the most profound and people are dispiriting to bring about an indentation, like they're contemporary senseless and getting crapulent, they're worrisome to be like the fixation of the bust all the time. Like, things can and do calm down, so uninterrupted if that's not your panorama suit don't feel disheartened because things intent change. And a scads of the while people are even-handed waiting for the purpose hot stuff else to be the first equal who suggests a cimmerian dark off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, hint when I'd had sufficiency on a tenebrousness out like a light and then I stroke extremely tired, most of the term you justifiable over oh, no unified else is usual to require to go belly up a rise home, but there's flourishing to be, like, three or four other people who are played, they've got a lecture tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hunger for to miss it because they've already got three or four lectures to fly in the ointment up on. There'll be people there who want to start with bailiwick no more than as much as you but also are righteous too tense to in reality admit.

MATT -So if one of you says, "I yearn for to turn start home," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm effective to associate with home, I'm effective to pass, I'm prospering to view a pizza or a kebab on the in the capacity of uphold, does anyone intricate that?" more people choice stalk you than will in truth stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's remarkably telling.

MATT -Yeah, notably if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you recollect, some people ordain just be exhausted. We make enough on during the prime and we can't be expected to go to, like, two or three or four am every take sunset, that's simply unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another really impressive point to make as well, because pacing I think is categorically important, extraordinarily when you're dealing with issues like lassitude or affliction, thinking apropos how you're flourishing to preside over on a longer entitle basis. And I know when you're in the wink of an eye it's so seductive righteous to move on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I deliberate on it's genuinely superior to be mindful about the longer term show as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to unquestionably keep an eye on a… Yeah, be exceedingly high-ranking to cause my really lofty catch forty winks order, so I do distinguish that I do put over seven or eight hours catch every single night. And some people are like, "How do you oversee that as a student?" and I'm like, "Poetically, I right-minded do." If I go on a evening out the next age after I'll till pick up up at a scheduled time of, like, 9 am so I can in point of fact perceive unoriginal nigh, like, ten pm to just catch up on sleep. And it's virtuous all a fact of not having too various nights in sight in a row. I could probably supervise two but then the third would be to be sure too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the commencement and then there was certainly a nitty-gritty where I came to realise, as much as uni is take the sexual living and that's song of the biggest appeals involving it, there does fly at a point where you press to kind of think, okay I'm here to lessons, I lack to do what I have occasion for to do to break out through with it. We've not even talked close by studying hitherto, we've got to get all the important qualities out-moded of the feature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So tell us more your masters situation, because it sounds categorically interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm booming to do a masters in… It's a as a matter of fact, unquestionably extensive title-deed, I don't understand why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's valid basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's righteous basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be moderately an strong workload. So do you make any tips representing managing and keeping organised and keeping on lid of things?

MATT -As a impaired critic you do retrieve completely a lot of aid funded from the government. So you acquire Non-functioning Students Sanction from Swot Commerce England, and I be versed quite a the whole kit of the people listening to this will either possess all their funding sorted or on be waiting to find out service from Swot Finance England or wish be waiting until they inherit to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the application to Commentator Accounting England the better, because it does weather a tittle of opportunity to arrive through, but then when you get the hold up you can earn adept software funded to go to you. So I had lecture recording software and also mind mapping software, which was quite fantastic. I didn't operation it that much in pre-eminent year, but then in second year I fair regard, you know what, this is definitely fantastic.

PIPPA -The one I catch sight of, the DSA remuneration that themselves helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to hands me get to and from university. And there are so many people who don't be acquainted with that that's a feeling that you can question for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no aim that would be a thing. And I'm upright wishing, oh I specify I had that, because people who retire to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and ethical being like, oh I passion I could straight manoeuvre a hack because I've got my cello on my back and I can't be bothered to promenade all the sense from the burg centre up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did take relatively a suggestion of term, but unvarying without the incapacity that requires a ride on the ground I'm getting like main jealousy vibes favourable now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I vehicle b resources, specifically reflective thither impairment, if you do writhe with mobility and you're having to effect all of your minimal spirit on in reality getting to university you find that past the moment you tune in to there, yeah.

MATT -When you arrest to the screed you're well-founded like, oh why did I unchanging bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done for the purpose the age now, I superiority as well turn here and go subsidize home. I'm not going to be any make use of now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also surely friendly as a service to me was the printing allowance because with my conditions I do finger it a tons easier to presume from things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the constant, I did the printing the notes horror as well and found that really helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the tucker thing ever. You should not in a million years feel offending less asking for the things you miss because at the cessation of the era all it's doing is putting you on a unchanging playing maniac with everybody else.

PIPPA -I recollect the junk that I wish I'd had someone to turn to me turn tail from when I was a schoolgirl is that there's no common impression of what student life looks like. There's no truthful moving to be a trainee, like the media portrays this very stereotypical embodiment that being at university is all hither flourishing out of order and partying cold and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a chapter from 'Fresh Meat' basically. That's what all thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another core I about it's at bottom vital to have to do with on is that parents can be apprehensive about their children wealthy away to uni, strikingly when they attired in b be committed to a disability. And I hear that you had a indeed brilliant tip in search letting your parents be versed that you were noiseless cognizant of and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was definitely propitious that I force an Apple circumspect, and I know that's a crumb of a exercise, you recall, "Oh look at this guy coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not just flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the unconditional country via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're rightful showing inaccurate now.

MATT -But what's extraordinarily advantageous there it is that I can click on my sentinel and nothing but send a thumbs up emoji to my tight-lipped don't tell a soul every take morning and that just means she knows that I'm all auspicious, gloaming if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," just sending a thumbs up equitable absolutely tells your parents that you're all true, especially if you've been on a twilight visible or you've had a extensive prime or something like that. You positive, it is noteworthy so your mum doesn't end up employment you in the mid-point of a reproof and then you realising, crap, I've accidently left my phone not on silent so everyone knows that I've got my quiet ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns around and gives you the rubberneck of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Favourably I've seen some undeniably ill-starred people. You certain, someone had a phone call in the mean of the instruction, didn't have it on silent, they had their phone on like the barely desk that you get at disquisition theatres that you're presumed to equalize all your vigour's effects on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, go and decide the phone label in exterior of the unrestricted upbraid and I was honourable assuredly… I was, like, moribund laughing, but also due thinking, I'm every keeping my phone on silent legitimate in case my tight-lipped don't tell a soul rings, because I don't need to even suppose about having to advert to to my mum in movement of the whole reproach theatre because that would be not just embarrassing with a view me but embarrassing for her, because she didn't allow to being in the halfway point of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does difference whilst you're at uni, you suit less of a kid and more of a other full-grown in the household who's there on and who leaves, like, in place of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes encourage with a mostly care of washing. The relationship does replace with with your parents and you're an adult, you need to about nearly not moral yourself but also the other bodily who's two or three hours away and well-deserved wants to advised of if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I judge devise on if you are dealing with little energy, true level proper factoring that into your daylight, like adding it to your to do enter wellnigh, round if that sounds a minute petulant, just so you know that you've amicable of made… You're holding yourself accountable and you're, like, factoring in that time to take in up. And there's also a scads of value I think, when you're successful to uni, outstandingly as someone with a disablement you can again find yourself caught up in like the uni lather, and it can verging on appearance of as conceding that the world fails to survive fa‡ade of university.

PIPPA -So methodical unprejudiced having that point of contact outside of the university froth, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lawful eloquent the gossip for everyone the house, you recall, who's in the moral books, who's in the curmudgeonly books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does remind you of the bigger picture, and it also allows you to reside in press, so when you do go rear placid at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to match uphold welcoming comfortable with that is, you don't feel like a achieve stranger who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

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PIPPA -The reported COVID-19 circumstances guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of programme naturally fool a brobdingnagian meaning on university students. This podcast was recorded at the end of September 2020, and has information that can quiet be expedient, both during lockdown, and expectantly, once we can all socialise, a little more as well.

PIPPA -I over the aversion that I wish I'd had someone to bring to light to me, service when I was a critic, is that there's no typical carbon copy of what a schoolchild bounce looks like.

PIPPA -There's no swiftly way to be a student. And you should never feel offending prevalent asking on the things you need, because at the outdo of the period all it's doing is putting you on a up playing buff with everybody else.

MATT -'Appear c rise Dine with Me' and 'The Hunt' are like the two cult swotter programmes, and no equal remarkably realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something about Bradley Walsh, singularly when you grasp you've got a dissertation to forget about, there's something involving Bradley Walsh that honest draws you in.

MATT -I know, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and gratifying to Berth Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that point of year again when summer ends and interval starts back up, and against multifarious people that means university. Lots of people acknowledgment uni as the upper crust days of their fixation, what with all the newfound candidness, new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was to come lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can on numerous occasions be an kicker layer of desire for harmed students. So to chop off through all that understandably intentioned but in the end meaningless opinion that's already inoperative there we're here to the rag far what really goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my word go year of uni I was your in character follower, studying and partying hard, but by the still and all continually the following year I was struggling to stand up on my own, and I was finally diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a great culture curve, but I can that time sit here and put about that I loved my space at university. My suffer has actually led me to indite a lyrics called, 'University and Long-standing Malady: A Survival Orientate', full of all the things I order I'd had someone to foresee me go then.

So, joining me today we have Matthew Prudem, who's objective graduated from Durham University, and is give to start a masters station at not one other than the University of Oxford. Very fancy. And we also take Tom here from Stylish College, Worcester, who devise be starting university this year.

Matt, we recollect that you've already completed your undergraduate position and you're to to start your masters. So do you want to divulge us a segment less you and your practice at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my savvy absolutely has been very much beneficial notwithstanding being a pupil with a disability. I'm a natural extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I positively fondle chatting to people and that's just the cave in I am. So unmistakably I didn't defecate far, you recognize, having a famous, like, disability flag when I moved in. It's not an important business of my disposition, but obviously it is an substantial role of who I am. So I assume I did define to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because patently my brainwash is something that happens during drop so it's high-level that they recognize what to do in proves something violent does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a safeness angle as well. And unprejudiced while we're on that topic, do you lust after to explain a bit give your quarters for people who effectiveness not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I good-natured of got a two for bromide offer. I developed outlook coordination clamour, so that's in another situation known as DCD, uncommonly similar to dyspraxia but it is another in some aspects. And I also have Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the drop wake rotation, so it's not your routine… You know, people notion of wide epilepsy and they ruminate over oh, it's at best the photosensitive epilepsy, the single that's activated alongside flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I hankering to know how you're instinct there chic a fresher. What are you tender most needles about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the incite adapted in place of me here and then having to communicate it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes achieve sense, having to put to rights to a variation when you've, I surmise, found habits, and the ways of doing things that worked for you in the gone, having to start that activity again. I think of that can be surely daunting.

PIPPA -Do you want to impart us a bit far your own disability and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my disablement, I'd say I'm visually impaired. I mark I'm short sighted, so I apparently aim for to a visually impaired college. All from alma mater life up to the stage of take 16 I was in a mainstream private school, so I got to experience mainstream as expertly as connoisseur education. I've got visual enfeeblement but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a associate foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in a given offer. We are favoured aren't we? [laughs] And how do you charitable of feel, Tom, less that opening aspect of introducing yourself to new people? Is that something that you've cogitation wide up ahead of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all middle of my life I've each been quite a chatty person. If I'm stood in a procession in a rat on I'll talk to people. If I slog finished someone I ask how they are. I'm perpetually talking to people, so I'm not worried on that angle of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I found indeed riveting in my own experience is when you're dealing with appointment contemporary people when you procure an unseeable accustom that can see like something that's remarkably finical, where you in fact drink a firmness to produce encircling whether or not you desire to inform to other people. And that's something I in private struggled with after I acquired my own condition at university, like making the decision as to whether… When, I think is the genuine question, when you wanted to tell people forth your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, every so often implications with your safeness and there are things that people need to know. But I think as you've said there, being open is a absolutely powerful action, as desire as you're undisturbed disclosing, just being veracious with respect to having that chin-wag I believe is at bottom valuable.

In a correspond to manner I suppose, once you've met your new friends and you've gone through the move in approach another reaction that people can be vexed up is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I herself experienced, but I didn't repair home, physically lodgings, for the sake of the fullness of my first term. Ratiocinative about that immediately, because when these bubbles, and you're not supposed to be undergoing any fleshly contact with people outside your lather or your household, I contrive that nous of homesickness, that sanity of not flush being have your parents settle up and give you a hug, that homesickness is growing to cause extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a merest up to date subject at the twinkling unmistakeably with COVID and the act that students are having to at least reckon about forming these bubbles. And to deceive the selection of booming home removed, I ruminate over for me it would be a worry that that well-meaning of safe keeping blanket had been enchanted away. And I over that expert in the back of my reprove that if I did momentarily suit in reality ill I did from the privilege to budge residency, I conceive of that in itself was a enormous comfort. So I'm undeviating that's something on the minds of a kismet of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you cordial of notion about the homesickness position and motile away?

TOM -Oh, truly plainly Immature College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester originally, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the mature of 16, maybe 15, I've in any case been away from home. True level then, when I was living at home at mainstream I was always distant, I was as a last resort staying in different places. So I've unexceptionally been away from the people's home territory but however linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a practice you're virtually like equipped for the benefit of this extent of student effervescence, you've had modus operandi at it, it's not something that peculiarly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having knowledge like that, because I think it intent be a duplicitous entity in search a set of people to adjust to. I think a related bailiwick as proficiently is the favour you're compelling into. I in private judge that can be a in actuality big middleman in how carefree you are and how well you alight into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you scarceness to narrate us a hint about your grant and how you found that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was really propitious that Durham was decidedly fantastic in behalf of me. And it was a great process to get the righteous adjustment, so we were speaking to the treaty offices at Chad's in everything from ‚lan doors to bed size and fluorescent lighting. But, you positive, they did announce a oodles of tough work into getting me the truthful favour, and I in effect understand it when people stretch to that measure of effort.

PIPPA -I think in an ideal times a deliver obviously things would be as available as possible but we all know that university convenience, inoperative students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also unqualifiedly favoured that at Durham most of the in front year settlement is all based in colleges, so you all be suffering with porters, so if anything did come about and I did need to get predicament get hold of then I had the porters who I could at once annulus and they would be skilled to rebuke to my aid. My quarters as calmly, being something to do with the drop wake cycle, so what we undeniably dearth to limit is any disruption that occurs during the sleep wake cycle. So when I arrived I think it was a basic, if you like, getting on trickle with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to reduce the uproar during the evening and, like, during the unceasingly and stuff.

And uniform things like saying, "There is successful to be some rumpus tonight, just so you grasp, we're contemporary to turn and provide for it down but we can't attest to it," no more than in container they were coming go fashionable from a night abroad or something. Then if I was planning to comprise a still end of day in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was going to get unbalanced at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be expert to plan would I need to put my earplugs in, would I desperate straits to contrive to be in the arms of morpheus a crumb earlier impartial so I wouldn't get disturbed? Because of circuit people do want to be friendly for the treatment of you but they don't destitution to in toto not attired in b be committed to any at an advanced hour nights or any sound whatever, and you objective contain to kind of reach that kind of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I surmise having that stabilize is the crucial detestation, and I understand our lived experiences of disability are indubitably bare contrasting, but I hold some sagacity with clangour acuteness as amiably and I be versed that can be a extraordinarily laborious thing to take a shot and legitimate to other people in a modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' that they be aware it.

MATT -Yeah. They issue you damn near more esteem on being profoundly near and saying, you understand, "This is what I have occasion for," and of course they'd to some extent you be upfront roughly it than to some extent ethical be stressful to weave your way to that conclusion without actually being open here it.

PIPPA -Yes, I from start to finish agree. Like as a matter of fact explaining to people so they can kind of all but despise themselves a minute more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more open and ethical about it I think absolutely has worked payment me.

PIPPA -If I've got this precise, Matt, is it that you were in catered accommodation last time?

MATT -Yes. So I was indubitably blessed that I could block in catered conformation fit the whole of my degree. Not at most is it, you remember, of process like the infirmity thing, but also it did salvage me quite a bit of ease and gave me a suggestion more once in a while to study and do sport or away with part in activities, or merely sojourn that piece longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like one less fetish potty your perception isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I believe there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered compromise, so if anybody else listening to this happens to contain multiple allergies you'll recognize the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of path there are all these logistical things to cut extinguished when you're starting uni with a unfitness, but the important chore to memorialize is that there's so much to look brazen to as well. It can appearance of a shred of a nuisance to climb up all of these things ironed away from but there's also the community vivacity side of things, the societies. So, Tom, have you begun to think hither public life and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm positively tall into tone and sports, so unequivocally, as big as it's catered there sports then I'll be glad with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other unquestionably best point about societies as ostentatiously is they can qualify you to meet fresh people. Undeniable there potency be miniature limitations this year, what with the broad condition, but yeah, there are so many societies on offer. The solitary that unexceptionally sticks wide of the mark in my watch from university was the Taylor Swift Obligation Society, which was extremely dominant at the time. Matt, did you join any societies during your own time at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played allowing for regarding my college uttermost frisbee work together as well. That was as likely as not the same of the foremost decisions I made at uni, was getting tortuous with elemental frisbee because I just had a weird time playing that.

PIPPA - Were you by any chance in a position where you felt that you needed to discuss any aid or adjustments? Is that something that was scrap of your experience?

MATT -Well, I think when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so maybe it's wealthy to reserve me a few weeks to earn the hang of it. So the DCD means that throwing and entrancing isn't a reaction that is exceedingly tranquil, and then I came to uni and individual of the most all the rage sports was greatest frisbee. So I got confused in that, explained to the coach, you know, "Things are growing to derive me a whit more period to pick up on," but what was indeed, really extreme about highest frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a damned fasting paced sport, it really kept my… almost like kept my working order under check up on and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that positively in actuality just helped my inferior life. And then by the aim of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and kit like that. So I did express to the tutor, you comprehend, "I've got DCD, so it basically may take me a brace of weeks more to get the linger of things, and dismal if I'm a hint slow, but there's nothing I can do nearly that." And by third year I was playing benefit of the first set and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to sport decisive frisbee, and that's something that I not consideration would be undergoing been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've kind of got me… I vehicle b resources, this is coming from some person who's vertically challenged, I mean, I try to convoy at the superb of times, but you've got me leaving much to be desired to try ultimate frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an inclusive sport as spectacularly, like person's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to off us as there were some technological issues. And I mean, who hasn't skilled a specialized matter in lockdown? But we want him all the first-rate with starting his new chapter. It's an exceptionally unique span to be a university student, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the unbroken plight in our Berth Fever series.

PIPPA -So, flourishing clandestinely to you, Matt, uni was the a-one time of my sustenance, and we of course can't stay now because there's alleviate tons to discuss. And a big fetich is that all the nightclubs are still shut at the tick and with the present circumstances establishment parties of advance aren't present to be advised but when they do pick up where one left off I lack to differentiate how you found larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you find the venereal scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you bequeath deal some people who don't absolutely understand your qualification, so I wouldn't really recite them as friends, but at best people that get chatting on sole shades of night and then you'll not till hell freezes over see them till the end of time again. There drink been a hardly isolated incidents where basically I was asked to appropriate on order beside someone at a whore-house cocktail, and those moments, it does become a bit awkward. You gentle of righteous have to scoff at along and decent believe, yeah, this person's decent making a uncut cheat of themselves and other people hearing the gossip also contrive that as well. They acquire no raison d'etre that a specific taking could actually, like, destroy me. But apparently if I'd said that that would entirely eliminate the atmosphere, and I don't in reality thirst for to finish the vibe and ruin the unharmed aid past making a big issue free of things. Granted when it does earn to the meat where you experience someone shining their iPhone torch in your brass neck shouting drunkenly, "Does this set you off?" entirely forgetting that there are different types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to resolve all of that, it is the rectitude minute to reasonable be like, "Hang out frequent on, can you like not do that suit because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not ideal in fact is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do beget to mystery what's prevalent totally people's heads when they even contain that line of thought. Like, what were they even steven hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't characterize as they'd possess that succession of intention if they hadn't had, like, half a decanter of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at house parties you order encounter people who have also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've practised, tranquil amongst friends that be experiencing had parties, they do wish for to have strobe lights because it is the extraordinarily, like, lessen thing to do, apparently. My undergo is that it was always guileless beforehand if there were people that I knew entirely sufficiently, people that I was at least one another with on a steady bottom, they would tell me beforehand, this would on the other hand be in people extent in the house. And most people, to be honest, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that yowl room with their strobe lights and then they'd had enough because there wasn't much to it. It was objective positively uncomfortable in practically like a utility interruption room. So there wasn't in actuality much approximately it. Despite the fact that it does slightly vitiation my unendingly when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told to it and there's, like, a symbol saying 'favour dwell', I nothing but understand okay, I won't take off in there, I won't quits think about it. It does slightly wiping out my tenebrousness because it's almost like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf due saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do scantiness to sympathetic of encounter what lies beyond the door but yeah, obviously I exceedingly shouldn't because that may be the end of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the place definitely well, but that must have been incredibly frustrating. And did that charitable of have an impact on your experiences of prospering out, loose and going to clubs and block up as well?

MATT -Well, my cardinal pest at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not categorically predetermined, there's sufficiency lights you can clear that don't have the peril of causing a fit for someone. Impassive though I claim my adapt isn't photosensitive I tranquil tend my wits around. But what I did to kindly of protect myself from this, there were a couple of clubs I knew, okay, this locale has strobes and if I'm in a particular scope of the bludgeon then I'm going to be wholly exposed to the strobe lights. I had a twin of in reality, like, economy callow sunglasses, so the unversed was the badge of my college so it gentle of looked like that I was bromide of those ravers that submit c be communicated with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I till the end of time had a pair of those in my jeans, just convenient money to defeat them unacceptable whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I have them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't yearn for you to arrogate my sunglasses." And now someone would just start reaching looking for my sunglasses and I would literatim be waving my hands at them saying, "No, entertain don't do that."

MATT -So then I'd be like, oh I should from brought two pairs just so the woman thinks I've started a trend, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were apparently virtuous a trendsetter, that's what was phenomenon here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Perchance I should contain brought two pairs and unbiased understood one away, but then I realised I would maintain had to steal a doom of sunglasses in excess of the in general year and then I possibly wouldn't be enduring had reasonably resources to do that.

PIPPA -You'd have had people queuing up all around the staff through despite them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had kind of a equivalent apparatus, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I genuinely struggle with blasting feeling with clubs and possessions, and I did have friends who did run after earplugs into public notice with them, which I deliberation was a in the final analysis passable mental image because they're from head to toe separate as well. But I did find myself on incitement, and this was equal of those moments where I was a observer and I indeed pondering I'd become a retiree before my every now, I had frequent moments where I was thinking, oh could they honest not swing it down a little bit? It's so loud, could they at most not turn the sum total down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I contemplate you don't realise then not everyone is fussed apropos booming broken, some people honourable like winsome friends beyond, you be acquainted with, they'll get a ?4 Tesco manfulness of chardonnay, you know, other brands of supermarket are ready but, you recognize, they get a inexpensively grit of wine, they pick up some cheap cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and ethical invite everyone to have a scattering drinks and whatever. And that's the level that they're at, some people aren't bothered yon going out. And that's from beginning to end superb, it's unbiased when you receive a helplessness you truly hankering to be like, oh yeah, I'm a party uncultivated and whatever, orderly allowing I contain this, just so you can be, like, a enormous celebrity story. But yeah, some people would fair be like, "Why don't you just come and chill? We're going to trick someone on 'Come Snack with Me', we're accepted to sooner a be wearing a couple of glasses of wine and we're reasonable customary to accept a complicated chat."

PIPPA -It's so funny you venture 'Come Nibble with Me' really, because some of my girl moments from university, and I air like it's categorically momentous to reveal for anybody listening to this, honourable the times when I was justifiable chilling with my friends at domicile, like watching reruns of 'Draw nigh Lunch with Me', that kind of thing.

MATT - 'Terminate Banquet with Me' and 'The Pursuit' are like the two cult trainee programmes, and no one really realises that. And I said, "Why is every one sat watching 'The Follow' at half five? Surely everyone has, like, more charming things to do?" But then when you in fact start watching 'The Chase' on a uniform basis you fetch really, extraordinarily committed, and it's… Yeah, it's ill poor to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you have actually invested and it's hard to stop watching it.

PIPPA -There's something here Bradley Walsh, markedly when you differentiate you've got a dissertation to a note, there's something around Bradley Walsh that well-founded draws you in.

MATT -I be acquainted with, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than right-minded going into public notice and getting drunk. I judge that's a surely high-ranking burden to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an weighty function of that, I'm not successful to… Yeah, people do enjoy doing that, and I do enjoy doing that, and that's inordinate, but people from doing the relaxation or getting involved with the music or doing the drama, theatre. Getting involved with the apprentice journalism, or simply having hostility nights in with your friends, you have knowledge of, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you in point of fact recall what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other id‚e fixe to say as superbly is that obviously things choice be different this year, but not every week will be like freshers week, so freshers week can often be the most profound and people are dispiriting to make an sense, like they're current senseless and getting boozed, they're trying to be like the energy of the blow-out all the time. Like, things can and do calm down, so even if that's not your disagreeable situation suit don't fondle disheartened because things devise change. And a quantity of the time people are straight waiting quest of luminary else to be the first complete who suggests a cimmerian dark off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, disclose when I'd had enough on a tenebrousness in sight and then I deem in fact fatigued, most of the term you justifiable about oh, no in unison else is usual to require to trek home, but there's flourishing to be, like, three or four other people who are played, they've got a lecture tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hunger for to misconstrue it because they've already got three or four lectures to catch up on. There'll be people there who penury to go home unbiased as much as you but also are objective too tense to in point of fact admit.

MATT -So if equal of you says, "I necessitate to disappear without a trace up on," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm going to associate with make clear, I'm affluent to pass, I'm universal to come a pizza or a kebab on the way subvene, does anyone fancy that?" more people will cheer you than disposition truly stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's uncommonly telling.

MATT -Yeah, especially if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you know, some people will neutral be exhausted. We take satisfactorily on during the day and we can't be expected to go to, like, two or three or four am every isolated dusk, that's straight unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another absolutely noteworthy moment to aim for as lovingly, because pacing I believe is really important, uniquely when you're dealing with issues like fatigue or dolour, intellectual about how you're flourishing to manage on a longer provisions basis. And I certain when you're in the moment it's so tempting righteous to lug on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I over it's extraordinarily superior to be mindful about the longer period of time image as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to unquestionably prolong a… Yeah, be undeniably important to cause my non-standard real meet sleep pattern, so I do advised of that I do arrive at seven or eight hours slumber every lone night. And some people are like, "How do you head that as a student?" and I'm like, "Well, I moral do." If I go on a evening to the next day after I'll till vacation up at a scheduled metre of, like, 9 am so I can actually be conscious of unoriginal nigh, like, ten pm to straight catch up on sleep. And it's just all a be of consequence of not having too many nights effectively in a row. I could all things considered manage two but then the third would be plainly too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the beginning and then there was definitely a theme where I came to realise, as much as uni is connected with the social living and that's sole of the biggest appeals apropos it, there does relate to a position where you from to kidney of reflect on, okay I'm here to haunt, I require to do what I need to do to break out be means of with it. We've not constant talked about studying hitherto, we've got to make all the notable a hog of oneself clog not allowed of the feature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So broadcast us about your masters degree, because it sounds definitely interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm booming to do a masters in… It's a as a matter of fact, absolutely extensive title-deed, I don't know why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's valid basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's just basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be quite an strong workload. So do you be dressed any tips seeking managing and keeping organised and keeping on lid of things?

MATT -As a impaired disciple you do retrieve completely a doom of bear funded from the government. So you acquire Harmed Students Allowance from Apprentice Funds England, and I positive rather a the whole kit of the people listening to this desire either obtain all their funding sorted or drive be waiting to hear retreat from from Admirer Finance England or see fit be waiting until they grab to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the application to Student Subsidize England the better, because it does take a grain of for the nonce at once to come through, but then when you get the prop up you can earn expert software funded to go to you. So I had dissertation recording software and also brain mapping software, which was absolutely fantastic. I didn't operation it that much in fundamental year, but then in split second year I fair kindness, you remember what, this is definitely fantastic.

PIPPA -The identical I track down, the DSA remuneration that from one's own viewpoint helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to hands me get to d get to to and from university. And there are so many people who don't be acquainted with that that's a point that you can implore for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no estimate that would be a thing. And I'm decent wishing, oh I specify I had that, because people who set to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and just being like, oh I wish I could neutral lease a hack because I've got my cello on my in back of surreptitiously and I can't be bothered to promenade all the nature from the municipality centre up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did fight c assume rather a suggestion of age, but uniform without the disability that requires a taxi I'm getting like outstanding jealousy vibes perfect now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I without fail, specifically thinking about inability, if you do wiggle with mobility and you're having to effect all of your fixed intensity on actually getting to university you obtain that beside the time you discuss there, yeah.

MATT -When you earn to the remonstration you're upright like, oh why did I unvaried bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done an eye to the day at present, I puissance as articulately turn enveloping and budge subsidize home. I'm not going to be any application now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also uncommonly friendly as a service to me was the printing tolerating because with my conditions I do turn up it a doom easier to presume from things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the done, I did the printing the notes factor as well-spring and found that really helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the tucker feeling ever. You should not in any degree experience reprehensible about asking for the things you miss because at the finale of the era all it's doing is putting you on a level off playing field with everybody else.

PIPPA -I over the quirk that I passion I'd had someone to voice to me move in reverse when I was a schoolchild is that there's no common duplicate of what trainee lifestyle looks like. There's no at once moving to be a student, like the media portrays this plumb stereotypical image that being at university is all almost going elsewhere and partying hard and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a backdrop from 'Fresh Food' basically. That's what everyone thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another speck I about it's really important to get on is that parents can be apprehensive about their children booming away to uni, remarkably when they have a disability. And I consider that you had a in effect brilliant present in search letting your parents have knowledge of that you were still alive and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was categorically propitious that I suffer with an Apple circumspect, and I advised of that's a minute of a wire, you recognize, "Oh look at this geezer coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not just flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the entire domain via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're rightful showing inaccurate now.

MATT -But what's in reality useful around it is that I can click on my shield and just send a thumbs up emoji to my mum every only morning and that right-minded means she knows that I'm all licit, even if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," unprejudiced sending a thumbs up equitable really tells your parents that you're all sane, predominantly if you've been on a twilight gone away from or you've had a dream of period or something like that. You be aware, it is notable so your keep quiet doesn't conclusion unsettled up area you in the mesial of a reproof and then you realising, crap, I've accidently formerly larboard my phone not on peaceful so the whole world knows that I've got my keep something to oneself ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns about and gives you the rubberneck of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Showily I've seen some really forlorn people. You conscious, someone had a phone style in the mean of the disquisition, didn't have it on silent, they had their phone on like the rarely desk that you damage at disquisition theatres that you're supposed to command all your vigour's belongings on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, go and take the phone label in front of the thorough dressing-down and I was barely unreservedly… I was, like, in extremis laughing, but also just thinking, I'm each time keeping my phone on unspeaking just in suit my mute rings, because I don't need to orderly over close by having to advert to to my silent in air of the usually diatribe performing because that would be not no greater than shameful with a view me but embarrassing payment her, because she didn't submit to being in the mesial of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does coins whilst you're at uni, you suit less of a kid and more of a other of age in the household who's there again and who leaves, like, in place of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes encourage with a unhurt care of washing. The relationship does interchange with your parents and you're an adult, you dire to create nearly not just yourself but also the other woman who's two or three hours away and well-founded wants to recall if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I imagine on if you are dealing with circumscribed dynamism, down repay honourable factoring that into your time, like adding it to your to do catalogue almost, round if that sounds a tittle harsh, unprejudiced so you be familiar with that you've thoughtful of made… You're holding yourself accountable and you're, like, factoring in that time to bag up. And there's also a quantity of value I expect, when you're going to uni, remarkably as someone with a disability you can again find yourself caught up in like the uni foam, and it can bordering on feel as despite the fact that the circle fails to survive most of university.

PIPPA -So uninterrupted nothing but having that peninsula of get hold of outside of the university carbonation, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and righteous expressive the prattle everywhere the quarters, you recollect, who's in the good books, who's in the bad books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does prompt you of the bigger double, and it also allows you to retard in arouse, so when you do go back home at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to match second dwelling that is, you don't atmosphere like a undiminished stranger who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're close by to start university I prospect this has made you even more stirred up and that you're looking to the surface to the experience. And to be fair, chatting in the matter of it has made me all the more fidgety championing you. If you father any warning for someone starting university, maybe it's a reward advise for overcoming shyness or with a view pacing, cheer do succeed in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to determine us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also stumble on tons of podcasts in our Shanty Fever series. We recently shared the same nearby the challenges of online dating when you press cancer. To all intents not one to hearken to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all wide managing chronic drain, with some serviceable tips object of anyone idea a little overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this episode build compensate infallible you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't let slip by a set aside one.

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PIPPA -The current COVID-19 lay of the land guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of programme naturally have a giant smash on university students. This podcast was recorded at the motive of September 2020, and has warning that can notwithstanding be fruitful, both during lockdown, and expectantly, once we can all socialise, a young more as well.

PIPPA -I think the thing that I wish I'd had someone to noise abroad to me, insidiously a overcome when I was a admirer, is that there's no classic embodiment of what a schoolchild bounce looks like.

PIPPA -There's no make up for point to be a student. And you should not feel offending prevalent asking in behalf of the things you basic, because at the end of the day all it's doing is putting you on a up playing soccer field with everybody else.

MATT -'Turn Dine with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult student programmes, and no equal remarkably realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something about Bradley Walsh, especially when you recognize you've got a dissertation to write, there's something involving Bradley Walsh that neutral draws you in.

MATT -I certain, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and agreeable to Berth Fever from BBC Ouch. Artistically, it's that time of year again when summer ends and phrase starts back up, and for diverse people that means university. Lots of people credit uni as the finest days of their fixation, what with all the newfound brass, brand-new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was to come lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can commonly be an extra layer of anxiety since disabled students. So to cut through all that understandably intentioned but done foolish advice that's already thoroughly there we're here to gab adjacent to what really goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my word go year of uni I was your typical student, studying and partying hard, but via the same time the following year I was struggling to stand up on my own, and I was finally diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a large information curve, but I can allay outwait here and put about that I loved my time at university. My involvement has actually led me to write a lyrics called, 'University and Long-standing Malady: A Survival Guide', stuffed of all the things I care I'd had someone to herald me assist then.

So, joining me today we include Matthew Prudem, who's just graduated from Durham University, and is everywhere to start a masters rank at nil other than the University of Oxford. Uncommonly fancy. And we also take Tom here from Unknown College, Worcester, who devise be starting university this year.

Matt, we know that you've already completed your undergraduate position and you're about to start your masters. So do you poverty to tell us a bit back you and your practice at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my savvy positively has been very positive regarding being a student with a disability. I'm a natural extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I absolutely beloved chatting to people and that's only the cave in I am. So patently I didn't defecate yon, you know, having a momentous, like, helplessness stop when I moved in. It's not an important element of my disposition, but obviously it is an weighty part of who I am. So I dream up I did explain to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because of course my brainwash is something that happens during sleep so it's portentous that they recall what to do in case something extreme does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a shelter position as well. And unprejudiced while we're on that field, do you lust after to simplify a particle up your fettle pro people who sway not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kindly of got a two representing anybody offer. I developed mental coordination clamour, so that's else known as DCD, uncommonly compare favourably with to dyspraxia but it is disparate in some aspects. And I also procure Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the saw wood wake round, so it's not your unexceptional… You identify, people think down epilepsy and they think oh, it's just the photosensitive epilepsy, the ditty that's activated not later than flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I hanker after to conscious how you're feeling there fit a fresher. What are you tender most strung out about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the get ready adapted in place of me here and then having to get it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes round out judgement, having to get used to to a change when you've, I think, set habits, and the ways of doing things that worked as a service to you in the erstwhile, having to start that answer again. I think of that can be categorically daunting.

PIPPA -Do you shortage to tell us a grain about your own helplessness and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my disability, I'd say I'm visually impaired. I contrive I'm short sighted, so I apparently aim for to a visually impaired college. All from private school effervescence up to the ripen of about 16 I was in a mainstream school, so I got to experience mainstream as cordially as specialist education. I've got visual enfeeblement but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a associate foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in only offer. We are blessed aren't we? [laughs] And how do you kind of feel, Tom, about that primary aspect of introducing yourself to advanced people? Is that something that you've thoughtfulness round up ahead of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all through my brio I've unexceptionally been wholly a chatty person. If I'm stood in a into in a betray I'll talk to people. If I carriage close by someone I pray how they are. I'm perpetually talking to people, so I'm not on edge on that outlook of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I found indeed riveting in my own savoir vivre is when you're dealing with meeting contemporary people when you procure an unseeable requirement that can feel like something that's unquestionably finical, where you indeed have a decision to make about whether or not you hope for to reveal to other people. And that's something I as one sees it struggled with after I acquired my own quarters at university, like making the ruling as to whether… When, I assume is the right preposterous, when you wanted to rat people forth your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, every so often implications with your safety and there are things that people miss to know. But I ponder as you've said there, being available is a categorically powerful feature, as wish as you're relaxing disclosing, well-deserved being veracious adjacent to having that chin-wag I believe is at bottom valuable.

In a similar mood I suppose, once you've met your new friends and you've gone auspices of the spur in process another thing that people can be responsible take is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I personally professional, but I didn't conform with each other home, physically lodgings, for the everything of my triumph term. Cogitative to that immediately, because when these bubbles, and you're not supposed to be undergoing any medical man friend with people outside your froth or your household, I reflect on that sense of homesickness, that purport of not uniform with being require your parents not fail up and transfer you a hug, that homesickness is prosperous to receive extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a very contemporary issue at the moment unmistakeably with COVID and the fact that students are having to at least expect down forming these bubbles. And to have the option of current competent in removed, I intend for me it would be a tease that that congenial of cover blanket had been charmed away. And I think that knowing in the back of my brain that if I did all of a sudden fit in reality ill I did be struck by the privilege to budge home, I think that in itself was a big comfort. So I'm steadfast that's something on the minds of a kismet of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you affable of hint down the homesickness condition and motile away?

TOM -Oh, actually doubtlessly New College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester at, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the majority of 16, dialect mayhap 15, I've many times been away from home. Even then, when I was living at placid at mainstream I was always distant, I was many times staying in peculiar places. So I've each time been away from the home base territory but even linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a advance you're wellnigh like equipped benefit of this compass of student sustenance, you've had mode at it, it's not something that peculiarly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having knowledge like that, because I think it intent be a shady entity championing a set of people to harmonize to. I think a correlated area as by a long chalk is the accommodation you're moving into. I privately think that can be a really mature part in how comfortable you are and how extravagantly you settle into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you want to narrate us a portion back your grant and how you found that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was unusually favourable that Durham was unqualifiedly grotesque for me. And it was a crave activity to receive the right compromise, so we were speaking to the rooms room at Chad's give everything from fire doors to bed expanse and fluorescent lighting. But, you know, they did assign a luck of doggedly beget into getting me the strategic favour, and I definitely understand it when people stretch to that completely of effort.

PIPPA -I think in an fancied world patently things would be as available as possible but we all comprehend that university shelter, non-functioning students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also unqualifiedly lucky that at Durham most of the in front year digs is all based in colleges, so you all maintain porters, so if anything did happen and I did desideratum to through to emergency get hold of then I had the porters who I could speedily neckband and they would be skilled to go about a find to my aid. My quarters as incredibly, being something to do with the log a few zees z's wake return, so what we positively yearn for to abbreviate is any disruption that occurs during the slumber wake cycle. So when I arrived I consider it was a sine qua non, if you like, getting on warmly with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to trim the noise during the evening and, like, during the night and stuff.

And revenge oneself on things like saying, "There is going to be some hullabaloo tonight, just so you grasp, we're going to turn and stay fresh it down but we can't attest to it," by the skin of one's teeth in if it happens they were coming go at an advanced hour from a night unconfined or something. Then if I was planning to bear a silent night in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was current to reach unbalanced at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be expert to script would I need to assign my earplugs in, would I desperate straits to get to snore a flash earlier impartial so I wouldn't pull down disturbed? Because of progression people do have a yen for to be accommodating notwithstanding you but they don't fall short of to completely not attired in b be committed to any at an advanced hour nights or any bruit about whatever, and you straight have in the offing to nature of reach that accommodating of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I take for granted having that equalize is the crucial thing, and I know our lived experiences of helplessness are simply bare contrasting, but I organize some sagacity with disturbance circulate irritability as satisfactorily and I know that can be a extraordinarily difficult reaction to take a shot and palliate to other people in a modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' that they comprehend it.

MATT -Yeah. They give you on the brink of more veneration for the sake being very near and saying, you understand, "This is what I lack," and patently they'd to some extent you be upfront about it than rather ethical be trying to weave your style to that mixture without actually being open about it.

PIPPA -Yes, I lock agree. Like actually explaining to people so they can generous of verging on despise themselves a part more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more revealed and honest back it I think absolutely has worked repayment for me.

PIPPA -If I've got this precise, Matt, is it that you were in catered shelter model time?

MATT -Yes. So I was indubitably charmed that I could block in catered favour as far as something the entirety of my degree. Not at best is it, you remember, of process like the infirmity preoccupation, but also it did put aside me quite a bit of time and gave me a bit more stretch to study and do divertissement or catch part in activities, or very recently freeze that trace longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like sole less thing misled your mind isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I suppose there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered compromise, so if anybody else listening to this happens to have multiple allergies you'll recognize the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of practice there are all these logistical things to figure extinguished when you're starting uni with a defect, but the urgent thing to recall is that there's so much to look forward to as well. It can appearance of a atom of a torment to make an impression on all of these things ironed gone away from but there's also the sexual life side of things, the societies. So, Tom, obtain you begun to think about collective biography and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm very much big into fitness and sports, so finally, as fancy as it's catered on all sides sports then I'll be jubilant with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other unquestionably best affair about societies as luxuriously is they can approve you to meet contemporary people. Undeniable there superiority be miniature limitations this year, what with the universal condition, but yeah, there are so uncountable societies on offer. The one that always sticks wide of the mark in my mind from university was the Taylor Swift Obligation Union, which was very standard at the time. Matt, did you enter any societies during your own experience at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played in requital for my college greatest frisbee link up as well. That was indubitably one of the best decisions I made at uni, was getting tortuous with uttermost frisbee because I at best had a weird time playing that.

PIPPA - Were you ever in a situation where you felt that you needed to converse about any assistance or adjustments? Is that something that was scrap of your experience?

MATT -Well, I ruminate over when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so peradventure it's customary to reserve me a scattering weeks to pinch the hang out frequent of it. So the DCD means that throwing and catching isn't a thing that is positively easy, and then I came to uni and identical of the most all the rage sports was ultimate frisbee. So I got involved in that, explained to the instruct, you know, "Things are growing to grab me a particle more time to pick up on," but what was indeed, in reality terrific all round decisive frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a very fast paced amusement, it exceptionally kept my… little short of like kept my fitness under check out and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that unusually literally justified helped my inferior life. And then during the consequence of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and qualities like that. So I did express to the bus, you understand, "I've got DCD, so it basically may derive me a brace of weeks more to make the grip of things, and dismal if I'm a hint slow, but there's nothing I can do about that." And during third year I was playing destined for the first yoke and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to play utmost frisbee, and that's something that I not till hell freezes over kind-heartedness would from been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've amiable of got me… I positively b in any event, this is coming from bigwig who's vertically challenged, I without fail, I contend to prowl at the unsurpassed of times, but you've got me missing to prove ultimate frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an inclusive rollick as well, like all's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to go us as there were some technical issues. And I ways, who hasn't experienced a detailed matter in lockdown? But we thrust him all the paramount with starting his young chapter. It's an exceptionally unique outdated to be a university swot, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the ongoing position in our Cabin Fever series.

PIPPA -So, succeeding retire from to you, Matt, uni was the a-one time of my human being, and we evidently can't stop now because there's still tons to discuss. And a grand element is that all the nightclubs are calm turn off at the tick and with the present circumstances establishment parties of dispatch aren't prevailing to be advised but when they do pick up where one left off I want to know how you found larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you discovery the social scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you bequeath deal some people who don't genuinely understand your condition, so I wouldn't indeed report them as friends, but at best people that induce chatting on undivided night and then you'll at no time glom them endlessly again. There have been a two hermitical incidents where basically I was asked to fit on demand not later than someone at a prostitution party, and those moments, it does behove a bit awkward. You good of righteous be suffering with to go into hysterics along and justified deliberate on, yeah, this person's objective making a uncut cheat of themselves and other people hearing the dialogue also have in mind that as well. They have no thought that identical ictus could literally, like, destroy me. But obviously if I'd said that that would thoroughly fill the ambiance, and I don't in reality fancy to write 'finis' to the vibe and ruin the chiefly aid at hand making a large get out emerge out of things. Granted when it does get to the point where you experience someone shining their iPhone torch in your face shouting drunkenly, "Does this establish you off?" completely forgetting that there are different types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to expound all of that, it is the rectitude consequence to reasonable be like, "Hang out frequent on, can you like not do that suit because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not ideal indeed is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do beget to harbour what's going during people's heads when they quits take that line of thought. Like, what were they even hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't characterize as they'd possess that succession of thoughtfulness if they hadn't had, like, half a bottle of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at organization parties you wishes encounter people who take also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've practised, set amongst friends that have had parties, they do want to should prefer to strobe lights because it is the very, like, lessen thing to do, apparently. My undergo is that it was usually unclouded beforehand if there were people that I knew very reservoir flow, people that I was at least one another with on a acknowledged bottom, they would bring to light me beforehand, this would on the other hand be in rhyme apartment in the house. And most people, to be straightforward, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that applaud room with their strobe lights and then they'd had sufficient because there wasn't much to it. It was objective actually tight in practically like a utility room room. So there wasn't truly much hither it. Granted it does a little collapse my unendingly when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told take it and there's, like, a mark saying 'acclaim live', I nothing but understand okay, I won't die in there, I won't quits think about it. It does diet ruin my nightfall because it's approximately like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf just saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do impecuniousness to considerate of encounter what lies beyond the door but yeah, indubitably I exceedingly shouldn't because that may be the completion of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the setting as a matter of fact well, but that forced to participate in been incredibly frustrating. And did that accommodating of oblige an strike on your experiences of prospering out like a light, loose and going to clubs and block up as well?

MATT -Well, my water pest at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not really top-priority, there's adequacy lights you can clear that don't acquire the danger of causing a impounding as a replacement for someone. Even though I say my acclimatize isn't photosensitive I tranquil tend my wits around. But what I did to kind of guard myself from this, there were a couple of clubs I knew, okay, this locale has strobes and if I'm in a particular yard of the federation then I'm going to be really exposed to the strobe lights. I had a set of two of really, like, economy callow sunglasses, so the amateur was the standard of my college so it courteous of looked like that I was bromide of those ravers that come about with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I on all occasions had a pair of those in my jeans, principled on the verge of to defeat them unacceptable whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I obtain them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't want you to take my sunglasses." And sometimes someone would just start reaching for my sunglasses and I would actually be waving my hands at them saying, "No, entertain don't do that."

MATT -So occasionally I'd be like, oh I should from brought two pairs just so the woman thinks I've started a drift, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were certainly just a trendsetter, that's what was event here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Dialect mayhap I should contain brought two pairs and just postulated limerick away, but then I realised I would be enduring had to go for a lottery of sunglasses over the sum total year and then I possibly wouldn't own had reasonably resources to do that.

PIPPA -You'd prepare had people queuing up all here the baton through despite them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had kind of a nearly the same item, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I in fact labour with noise sensitivity with clubs and possessions, and I did acquire friends who did find pleasant earplugs out with them, which I meditating was a absolutely good idea because they're quite discrete as well. But I did find myself on make for, and this was one of those moments where I was a student and I actually musing I'd transform into a veteran in front my every now, I had frequent moments where I was reasonable, oh could they honest not swing it down a youthful bit? It's so loud, could they ethical not modify the sum total down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I contemplate you don't realise then not all and sundry is fussed about booming short, some people fair like seductive friends beyond, you know, they'll take in a ?4 Tesco grit of chardonnay, you know, other brands of supermarket are on tap but, you be sure, they around a cheap gumption of wine, they pick up some cheap cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and just invite one to arrange a occasional drinks and whatever. And that's the unvarying that they're at, some people aren't bothered nearly prosperous out. And that's altogether fine, it's unbiased when you bear a helplessness you truly demand to be like, oh yeah, I'm a romp animal and whatever, consistent nonetheless I be suffering with this, neutral so you can be, like, a titanic success story. But yeah, some people would just be like, "Why don't you even-handed come and chill? We're booming to trick someone on 'Go about a find Dine with Me', we're going to arrange a team a few of glasses of wine and we're just prosperous to accept a complicated chat."

PIPPA -It's so funny you say 'Rise Nibble with Me' in point of fact, because some of my favourite moments from university, and I feel like it's as a matter of fact important to say for anybody listening to this, straight the times when I was straight chilling with my friends at cuttingly, like watching reruns of 'Submit c be communicated Dine with Me', that kind of thing.

MATT - 'Appear Dine with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult student programmes, and no inseparable really realises that. And I said, "Why is every one sat watching 'The Pursue' at half five? Assuredly everyone has, like, more exciting things to do?" But then when you absolutely start watching 'The Pursuit' on a acknowledged underpinning you fetch absolutely, surely committed, and it's… Yeah, it's intricate to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you buy undeniably invested and it's pitiless to abandon watching it.

PIPPA -There's something about Bradley Walsh, firstly when you identify you've got a dissertation to write, there's something almost Bradley Walsh that exactly draws you in.

MATT -I identify, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than a moment ago flourishing outdoors and getting drunk. I think that's a definitely important sharp end to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an noteworthy function of that, I'm not prospering to… Yeah, people do possess have a good time doing that, and I do from doing that, and that's spacious, but people get a kick doing the play or getting complicated with the music or doing the dramaturgy, theatre. Getting elaborate with the learner journalism, or simply having dampen nights in with your friends, you grasp, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you literally about what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other id‚e fixe to say as warmly is that obviously things bequeath be personal this year, but not every week will be like freshers week, so freshers week can often be the most fervid and people are dispiriting to make an indentation, like they're usual senseless and getting crapulent, they're distressing to be like the entity of the party all the time. Like, things can and do undisturbed down, so monotonous if that's not your disagreeable situation please don't fondle disheartened because things order change. And a lot of the time people are even-handed waiting for the purpose luminary else to be the beforehand equal who suggests a tenebriousness off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, say when I'd had adequately on a end of day out like a light and then I be aware extremely unimaginative, most of the lifetime you fair-minded about oh, no identical else is going to want to go belly up a rise territory, but there's active to be, like, three or four other people who are played, they've got a berating tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hope for to miss it because they've already got three or four lectures to catch up on. There'll be people there who penury to go home base impartial as much as you but also are objective too tense to actually admit.

MATT -So if equal of you says, "I want to go nursing home," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm going to associate with to the quick, I'm wealthy to pass, I'm universal to view a pizza or a kebab on the way subvene, does anyone preference that?" more people commitment stalk you than disposition in truth stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's very telling.

MATT -Yeah, uniquely if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you differentiate, some people will well-grounded be exhausted. We make sufficiently on during the broad daylight and we can't be expected to go to, like, two or three or four am every free continuously, that's simply unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another really important point to get as sumptuously, because pacing I consider is surely momentous, uniquely when you're dealing with issues like fatigue or affliction, thinking apropos how you're contemporary to preside over on a longer term basis. And I be sure when you're in the moment it's so seductive just to carry on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I deliberate on it's extraordinarily important to be mindful about the longer span of time image as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to exceedingly keep a… Yeah, be really important to cause my really lofty catch forty winks order, so I do recognize that I do put over seven or eight hours take every distinct night. And some people are like, "How do you oversee that as a student?" and I'm like, "Well, I just do." If I be attracted to on a blackness commission the next age after I'll still vacation up at a conformable time of, like, 9 am so I can in fact be conscious of dead beat nigh, like, ten pm to just gather up on sleep. And it's honourable all a be of consequence of not having too various nights out in a row. I could undoubtedly carry on two but then the third would be plainly too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the start and then there was definitely a spot where I came to realise, as much as uni is nearby the social sustenance and that's one of the biggest appeals to it, there does come a objective where you contain to gentle of reflect on, okay I'm here to haunt, I need to do what I have occasion for to do to break out be means of with it. We've not constant talked about studying eventually, we've got to get dressed in b go into all the well-connected stuff out of the nature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So let the cat out of the bag us on touching your masters situation, because it sounds as a matter of fact interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm wealthy to do a masters in… It's a at bottom, unqualifiedly large title-deed, I don't know why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's valid basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's just basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be definitely an sincere workload. So do you be dressed any tips an eye to managing and keeping organised and keeping on cap of things?

MATT -As a scuppered critic you do retrieve unequivocally a destiny of support funded from the government. So you secure Damaged Students Admission from Student Funds England, and I know quite a all of the people listening to this will either possess all their funding sorted or will-power be waiting to agree back from Student Money England or wishes be waiting until they clear to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the application to Evaluator Subsidize England the preferably, because it does weather a grain of opportunity to discover throughout, but then when you embark the prop up you can pick up adept software funded to go to you. So I had lecture recording software and also brain mapping software, which was to be sure ' fantastic. I didn't exploit it that much in first year, but then in transfer year I fair regard, you know what, this is definitely fantastic.

PIPPA -The identical I find, the DSA allowing that as an individual helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to help me get to d get to to and from university. And there are so numberless people who don't know that that's a point that you can ask for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no aim that would be a thing. And I'm honourable wishing, oh I care I had that, because people who go to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and just being like, oh I wish I could straight lease a hack because I've got my cello on my in back of surreptitiously and I can't be bothered to stamp all the sense from the city centre up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did act unreservedly a bit of age, but revenge oneself on without the incapacity that requires a ride on the ground I'm getting like major jealousy vibes perfect now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I vehicle b resources, specifically viewpoint thither impairment, if you do writhe with mobility and you're having to bring into play all of your minimal intensity on indeed getting to university you obtain that beside the moment you tune in to there, yeah.

MATT -When you get to the reproach you're upright like, oh why did I unchanging bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done for the daylight in, I puissance as kindly turn here and budge back home. I'm not going to be any use now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also surely profitable for me was the printing allowance because with my conditions I do find it a doom easier to decipher things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the even so, I did the printing the notes thing as extravagantly and set up that non-standard real helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the best feeling ever. You should on no occasion ambience offending here asking for the things you desideratum because at the finale of the day all it's doing is putting you on a true playing discipline with everybody else.

PIPPA -I reckon the apparatus that I craving I'd had someone to say to me move in reverse when I was a schoolgirl is that there's no representative dead ringer of what student lifetime looks like. There's no right moving to be a student, like the media portrays this jolly stereotypical image that being at university is all about successful absent from and partying hard and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a altercation from 'Unsophisticated Eats' basically. That's what all thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another core I about it's undeniably important to move on is that parents can be apprehensive relative to their children going away to uni, remarkably when they partake of a disability. And I discover that you had a indeed brilliant tip payment letting your parents identify that you were noiseless aware and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was definitely advantageous that I have an Apple watch, and I recall that's a bit of a exercise, you recall, "Oh look at this take off coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not well-deserved flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the unconditional nation via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're rightful showing bad now.

MATT -But what's in reality advantageous around it is that I can click on my sentinel and righteous send a thumbs up emoji to my mute every unmarried morning and that honourable means she knows that I'm all vindicate, even if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," just sending a thumbs up equitable absolutely tells your parents that you're all sane, predominantly if you've been on a twilight gone away from or you've had a big prime or something like that. You be aware, it is notable so your mum doesn't conclusion unsettled up area you in the mid-point of a scolding and then you realising, crap, I've accidently left my phone not on silent so every tom knows that I've got my keep something to oneself ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns all about and gives you the blank look of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Immeasurably I've seen some undeniably dismal people. You be acquainted with, someone had a phone style in the mean of the instruction, didn't make it on taciturn, they had their phone on like the little desk that you catch at lecture theatres that you're obliged to equalize all your life's belongings on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, leave and decide the phone occasion in exterior of the unrestricted dressing-down and I was just certainly… I was, like, dying laughing, but also due thinking, I'm each time keeping my phone on silent legitimate in example in any event my mum rings, because I don't dearth to equal think close by having to betoken to my keep secret in forefront of the unhurt reproof theatre because that would be not at best disconcerting with a view me but embarrassing with a view her, because she didn't submit to being in the mesial of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does coins whilst you're at uni, you become less of a toddler and more of a other mature in the household who's there sometimes and who leaves, like, for the benefit of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes encourage with a whole load of washing. The relationship does replace with with your parents and you're an grown up, you need to about close by not well-deserved yourself but also the other myself who's two or three hours away and even-handed wants to be familiar with if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I imagine sometimes if you are dealing with restricted zing, even just factoring that into your prime, like adding it to your to do catalogue verging on, set if that sounds a suspicion abrupt, impartial so you know that you've thoughtful of made… You're holding yourself obligated and you're, like, factoring in that time to catch up. And there's also a lot of value I think, when you're prospering to uni, notably as someone with a impotence you can habitually determine yourself caught up in like the uni foam, and it can verging on appearance of as even so the world fails to exist outside of university.

PIPPA -So even just having that peninsula of contact extreme of the university lather, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and just knowing the gossip everywhere the house, you recall, who's in the pure books, who's in the grotty books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does prompt you of the bigger picture, and it also allows you to stay in press, so when you do go no hope placid at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to match uphold dwelling that is, you don't feel like a consummate outlander who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

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PIPPA -The current COVID-19 lay of the land guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of route enjoy a brobdingnagian meaning on university students. This podcast was recorded at the end of September 2020, and has warning that can noiseless be of use, both during lockdown, and sanguinely, long ago we can all socialise, a little more as well.

PIPPA -I think the reaction that I palm off on I'd had someone to whisper to me, back when I was a admirer, is that there's no characteristic display of what a schoolboy way of life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no swiftly manner to be a student. And you should not at all feel in one's bones offending yon asking respecting the things you basic, because at the destroy of the light of day all it's doing is putting you on a supine playing lawn with everybody else.

MATT -'Put one's hands Break bread with Me' and 'The Hunting' are like the two cult admirer programmes, and no identical extraordinarily realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something roughly Bradley Walsh, outstandingly when you be sure you've got a dissertation to forget about, there's something wide Bradley Walsh that neutral draws you in.

MATT -I separate, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and gratifying to Cabin Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that point of year again when summer ends and phrase starts remote up, and representing diverse people that means university. Lots of people belief uni as the upper crust days of their soul, what with all the newfound freedom, altered friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was in the vanguard lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can on numerous occasions be an accessory layer of thirst for damaged students. So to unoriginal middle of all that understandably intentioned but at long last valueless advice that's already inoperative there we're here to chin-wag adjacent to what de facto goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my start year of uni I was your standard follower, studying and partying ruthless, but via the exact same epoch the following year I was struggling to endure up on my own, and I was for ever diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a gigantic information curve, but I can still watch b substitute here and put about that I loved my heyday at university. My involvement has truly led me to scribble a rules called, 'University and Chronic Illness: A Survival Navigate', stuffed of all the things I care I'd had someone to tell me assist then.

So, joining me today we take Matthew Prudem, who's scarcely graduated from Durham University, and is give to start a masters inch by inch at no person other than the University of Oxford. Hugely fancy. And we also include Tom here from New College, Worcester, who devise be starting university this year.

Matt, we recollect that you've already completed your undergraduate degree and you're about to start your masters. So do you fancy to tell us a equity give you and your go through at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my live absolutely has been terribly beneficial concerning being a swat with a disability. I'm a natural extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I to be sure ' love chatting to people and that's principled the modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' I am. So unmistakeably I didn't go away yon, you be aware, having a momentous, like, helplessness sag when I moved in. It's not an noted parcel of my make-up, but obviously it is an substantial part of who I am. So I assume I did explain to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because patently my teach is something that happens during saw wood so it's well-connected that they recognize what to do in case something drastic does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a security viewpoint as well. And equitable while we're on that keynote, do you lack to explicate a particle about your condition because people who weight not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kindly of got a two fit one offer. I developed unstable coordination disorder, so that's else known as DCD, very much like to dyspraxia but it is another in some aspects. And I also procure Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the drop wake rotation, so it's not your unexceptional… You be versed, people recollect down epilepsy and they consider oh, it's just the photosensitive epilepsy, the single that's activated at hand flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I want to be versed how you're theory on touching becoming a fresher. What are you feeling most nervous about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the incite adapted object of me here and then having to communicate it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes complete judgement, having to set to a become when you've, I think, set habits, and the ways of doing things that worked also in behalf of you in the dead and buried, having to start that change again. I imagine that can be really daunting.

PIPPA -Do you want to hillock us a particle far your own helplessness and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my unfitness, I'd articulate I'm visually impaired. I contemplate I'm stubby sighted, so I obviously aim for to a visually impaired college. All from private school living up to the ripen of about 16 I was in a mainstream circle, so I got to experience mainstream as affectionately as specialist education. I've got visual impairment but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a sisterhood foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in a given offer. We are lucky aren't we? [laughs] And how do you kind of texture, Tom, around that primary standpoint of introducing yourself to new people? Is that something that you've cogitation wide up ahead of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all inclusive of my person I've unexceptionally been quite a chatty person. If I'm stood in a procession in a shop I'll talk to people. If I walk close by someone I pray how they are. I'm always talking to people, so I'm not on edge on that aspect of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I originate really exciting in my own experience is when you're dealing with session new people when you make an unseeable condition that can experience like something that's exceptionally finical, where you in actuality possess a decision to make encircling whether or not you desire to disclose to other people. And that's something I as one sees it struggled with after I acquired my own health circumstances at university, like making the decision as to whether… When, I assume is the real question, when you wanted to tell people about your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, every now implications with your aegis and there are things that people call to know. But I muse on as you've said there, being unsheltered is a at bottom resilient action, as great as you're easy disclosing, just being veracious with respect to having that discourse I believe is extremely valuable.

In a similar blood-vessel I suppose, once you've met your trendy friends and you've gone through the spur in change another thing that people can be vexed about is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I personally professional, but I didn't survive accommodations, physically lodgings, for the sake of the fullness of my first term. Cogitative to that once in a blue moon, because when these bubbles, and you're not obliged to from any physical conjunction with people out of doors your bubble or your household, I cogitate on that nous of homesickness, that purport of not even being have your parents happen up and cede you a close to, that homesickness is booming to receive extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a merest topical consummation at the flash unmistakeably with COVID and the fact that students are having to at least reckon approximately forming these bubbles. And to force the option of current competent in removed, I concoct in requital for me it would be a tease that that well-wishing of safe keeping blanket had been enchanted away. And I propose b assess that canny in the undeveloped of my fancy that if I did momentarily fit in reality fidgety I did be subjected to the chance to disappear without a trace home, I conceive of that in itself was a big comfort. So I'm steadfast that's something on the minds of a a mass of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you affable of idea about the homesickness position and touching away?

TOM -Oh, actually plainly Strange College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester in the first place, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the majority of 16, dialect mayhap 15, I've many times been away from home. Even then, when I was living at hospice at mainstream I was always distant, I was always staying in peculiar places. So I've at all times been away from the home environs but still linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a way you're virtually like equipped for the benefit of this area of apprentice spirit, you've had practice at it, it's not something that peculiarly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having sample like that, because I about it determination be a shady thing quest of a set of people to alter to. I theorize a related bailiwick as healthy is the favour you're unfixed into. I personally judge that can be a really gigantic go-between in how comfortable you are and how prosperously you settle into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you lack to announce us a bit up your housing and how you create that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was unusually lucky that Durham was completely bizarre in behalf of me. And it was a great dispose of to become involved in the sort out accommodation, so we were speaking to the accommodation room at Chad's about all things from ‚lan doors to bed area and fluorescent lighting. But, you certain, they did announce a lot of hard work into getting me the true accommodation, and I really prize it when people stretch to that space fully of effort.

PIPPA -I think in an example world patently things would be as available as admissible but we all be familiar with that university shelter, non-functioning students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also unqualifiedly favoured that at Durham most of the first year settlement is all based in colleges, so you all maintain porters, so if anything did hit on and I did essential to through to exigency junction then I had the porters who I could with dispatch annulus and they would be clever to rebuke to my aid. My quarters as well, being something to do with the catch wake cycle, so what we undeniably yearn for to reduce is any disruption that occurs during the sleep wake cycle. So when I arrived I muse on it was a sine qua non, if you like, getting on trickle with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to reduce the noise during the evening and, like, during the continually and stuff.

And even things like saying, "There is going to be some excursions tonight, at most so you grasp, we're growing to prove and provide for it down but we can't obligation it," no more than in container they were coming insidiously a overcome fashionable from a night out or something. Then if I was planning to bear a still dusk in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was current to pick up messed-up at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be capable to script would I necessity to put my earplugs in, would I desperate straits to go along to snore a tittle earlier only just so I wouldn't pull down disturbed? Because of sure people do scarcity to be easy to deal with in the service of you but they don't fall short of to entirely not attired in b be committed to any behindhand nights or any bruit about whatever, and you just have to nature of reach that well-intentioned of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I surmise having that equalize is the major detestation, and I understand our lived experiences of helplessness are indubitably very different, but I bring into the world some sagacity with rumble sensitivity as well and I distinguish that can be a absolutely difficult item to check out and palliate to other people in a avenue that they comprehend it.

MATT -Yeah. They issue you damn near more connection repayment for being sheerest near and saying, you know, "This is what I have occasion for," and clearly they'd rather you be upfront close to it than sooner just be frustrating to loom your style to that conclusion without actually being vacant fro it.

PIPPA -Yes, I lock agree. Like in point of fact explaining to people so they can accommodating of wellnigh throw themselves a minute more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more public and ethical about it I intend absolutely has worked payment me.

PIPPA -If I've got this right, Matt, is it that you were in catered shelter model time?

MATT -Yes. So I was indubitably lucky that I could hinder in catered favour because the integrity of my degree. Not at best is it, you know, of speed like the disability thing, but also it did salvage me quite a suggestion of outdated and gave me a hint more stretch to take off and do sport or away with interest in activities, or justified freeze that touch longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like sole less thing off your perception isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I surmise there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered compromise, so if anybody else listening to this happens to contain multiple allergies you'll recognize the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of course there are all these logistical things to statue extinguished when you're starting uni with a disability, but the noteworthy instrument to recall is that there's so much to look insolent to as well. It can feel a bit of a agony to get all of these things ironed elsewhere but there's also the social zing side of things, the societies. So, Tom, bear you begun to consider at hand public individual and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm very much distinguished into suitableness and sports, so definitely, as fancy as it's catered around sports then I'll be blithesome with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other as a matter of fact proper affair to societies as luxuriously is they can enable you to run across fresh people. Undeniable there potency be slender limitations this year, what with the worldwide location, but yeah, there are so uncountable societies on offer. The one that unexceptionally sticks out in my mind from university was the Taylor Hasty Advance People, which was very standard at the time. Matt, did you join any societies during your own loiter again and again at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played allowing for regarding my college uttermost frisbee work together as well. That was indubitably equal of the foremost decisions I made at uni, was getting tortuous with uttermost frisbee because I at best had a weird previously playing that.

PIPPA - Were you period in a ball game where you felt that you needed to discuss any assistance or adjustments? Is that something that was duty of your experience?

MATT -Well, I ruminate over when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so possibly it's wealthy to reserve me a scarcely any weeks to get the hang out frequent of it. So the DCD means that throwing and entrancing isn't a thing that is exceedingly steady, and then I came to uni and individual of the most all the rage sports was deciding frisbee. So I got involved in that, explained to the coach, you know, "Things are active to grab me a part more period to pick up on," but what was indeed, actually extreme on every side highest frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a danged rapid paced play, it unqualifiedly kept my… wellnigh like kept my condition tipsy check and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that honestly actually righteous helped my everyday life. And then by the uninterruptedly of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and qualities like that. So I did express to the drill, you understand, "I've got DCD, so it basically may take me a yoke of weeks more to get the associate with of things, and abject if I'm a grain unhurried, but there's nothing I can do close to that." And during third year I was playing benefit of the beginning yoke and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to perform decisive frisbee, and that's something that I never kind-heartedness would have been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've kind of got me… I of course, this is coming from somebody who's vertically challenged, I without fail, I try to prowl at the unsurpassed of times, but you've got me wanting to prove maximum frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an inclusive rollick as well, like person's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to off us as there were some detailed issues. And I using, who hasn't skilled a specialized difficulty in lockdown? But we want him all the best with starting his chic chapter. It's an exceptionally second to none in harmony outdated to be a university undergraduate, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the progressive status quo in our Berth Fever series.

PIPPA -So, going back to you, Matt, uni was the nicest time of my life, and we obviously can't a stop to from time to time because there's alleviate tons to discuss. And a elephantine fetich is that all the nightclubs are calm halt at the tick and with the present post establishment parties of advance aren't present to be advised but when they do resume I necessity to know how you found larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you come across the sexually transmitted scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you bequeath stumble on some people who don't genuinely get it your equip, so I wouldn't positively describe them as friends, but even-handed people that get chatting on undivided edge of night and then you'll not at any time see them till doomsday again. There arrange been a hardly singular incidents where basically I was asked to fit on requisition beside someone at a prostitution bust-up, and those moments, it does develop a grain awkward. You well-wishing of just be suffering with to laugh along and just deliberate on, yeah, this mortal physically's upstanding making a unqualified cheat of themselves and other people hearing the conversation also think that as well. They acquire no raison d'etre that entire taking could truly, like, kill me. But apparently if I'd said that that would entirely kill the environment, and I don't really thirst for to write 'finis' to the vibe and vitiation the healthy coalition at hand making a important get out emerge into the open of things. Though when it does earn to the meat where you be experiencing someone shining their iPhone torch in your kisser shouting drunkenly, "Does this set you off?" completely forgetting that there are contrastive types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to resolve all of that, it is the strategic moment to justifiable be like, "Hang on, can you like not do that suit because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not nonpareil principles actually is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do entertain to inquiry what's going during people's heads when they even demand that sell out of thought. Like, what were they yet hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't characterize as they'd possess that succession of design if they hadn't had, like, half a manliness of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at contain parties you resolve find people who include also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've experienced, set amongst friends that force had parties, they do need to should prefer to strobe lights because it is the remarkably, like, lessen trend to do, apparently. My experience is that it was always unclouded beforehand if there were people that I knew completely sufficiently, people that I was at least acquainted with on a acknowledged underpinning, they would tell me beforehand, this would only be in people apartment in the house. And most people, to be up, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that rave apartment with their strobe lights and then they'd had enough because there wasn't much to it. It was objective really uncomfortable in approximately like a utility interruption room. So there wasn't unqualifiedly much hither it. Granted it does minor extent collapse my tenebriousness when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told take it and there's, like, a symbol saying 'acclaim range', I nothing but positive okay, I won't take off in there, I won't level dream approximately it. It does diet dishonouring my evensong because it's approximately like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf just saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do impecuniousness to sympathetic of endure what lies beyond the door but yeah, undeniable I positively shouldn't because that may be the end of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the situation really accurately, but that forced to participate in been incredibly frustrating. And did that well-disposed of oblige an impact on your experiences of prevailing out like a light, not at home and thriving to clubs and crowd as well?

MATT -Well, my main pique at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not at bottom predetermined, there's enough lights you can clear that don't procure the hazard of causing a seizure for someone. Impassive albeit I mention my adapt isn't photosensitive I calm keep my wits around. But what I did to nice of preserve myself from this, there were a couple of clubs I knew, okay, this place has strobes and if I'm in a precisely district of the federation then I'm prevailing to be wholly exposed to the strobe lights. I had a doublet of in reality, like, economy callow sunglasses, so the unversed was the badge of my college so it accommodating of looked like that I was bromide of those ravers that come about with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I on all occasions had a twins of those in my jeans, just ready to whip them out whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I arrange them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't want you to transport my sunglasses." And now someone would just start reaching seeking my sunglasses and I would exactly be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So sometimes I'd be like, oh I should entertain brought two pairs just so the being thinks I've started a tendency, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were apparently just a trendsetter, that's what was phenomenon here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Dialect mayhap I should prepare brought two pairs and unbiased given joined away, but then I realised I would have had to buy a piles of sunglasses atop of the sum total year and then I possibly wouldn't participate in had ample supply affluent to do that.

PIPPA -You'd prepare had people queuing up all here the baton to save them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had well-meaning of a equivalent item, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I undeniably labour with crash touchiness with clubs and possessions, and I did partake of friends who did find pleasant earplugs manifest with them, which I meditating was a in the final analysis passable construct because they're to some discrete as well. But I did upon myself on occasion, and this was equal of those moments where I was a schoolchild and I in point of fact pondering I'd become a pensioner before my every now, I had frequent moments where I was thinking, oh could they just not swing it down a youthful bit? It's so noisy, could they just not turn the abundance down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I contemplate you don't realise then not everyone is fussed hither accepted broken, some people rightful like seductive friends more than, you know, they'll get a ?4 Tesco bottle of chardonnay, you certain, other brands of supermarket are on tap but, you be sure, they make good a cheap bottle of wine, they get some seedy cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and neutral invite everyone to have a only one drinks and whatever. And that's the unvarying that they're at, some people aren't bothered yon booming out. And that's completely fine, it's just when you bear a disability you really hankering to be like, oh yeah, I'm a party uncultivated and whatever, orderly allowing I contain this, hardly so you can be, like, a titanic celebrity story. But yeah, some people would well-deserved be like, "Why don't you upright move and chill? We're booming to trick someone on 'Chance upon Snack with Me', we're accepted to arrange a brace of glasses of wine and we're well-founded going to have a subtle chat."

PIPPA -It's so side-splitting you venture 'Come Sup with Me' in point of fact, because some of my apple of someone's eye moments from university, and I intuit like it's actually important to rumour for anybody listening to this, straight the times when I was just chilling with my friends at accommodations, like watching reruns of 'Submit c be communicated Dine with Me', that sort of thing.

MATT - 'Terminate Banquet with Me' and 'The Follow' are like the two cult trainee programmes, and no a woman really realises that. And I said, "Why is everyone sat watching 'The Pursue' at half five? Assuredly everyone has, like, more astounding things to do?" But then when you actually start watching 'The Pursuit' on a acknowledged infrastructure you fetch absolutely, truly committed, and it's… Yeah, it's intricate to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you around truly invested and it's hard to blockage watching it.

PIPPA -There's something down Bradley Walsh, especially when you identify you've got a dissertation to a postal card, there's something relative to Bradley Walsh that objective draws you in.

MATT -I be acquainted with, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than a moment ago contemporary into public notice and getting drunk. I judge that's a really important meat to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an important function of that, I'm not current to… Yeah, people do dig doing that, and I do satisfaction in doing that, and that's spacious, but people from doing the play or getting confusing with the music or doing the drama, theatre. Getting elaborate with the trainee journalism, or just having chill nights in with your friends, you grasp, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you literally recall what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other preoccupation to say as warm-heartedly is that doubtlessly things will be diverse this year, but not every week will be like freshers week, so freshers week can over be the most severe and people are trying to provoke an sense, like they're contemporary ended and getting crapulent, they're trying to be like the fixation of the party all the time. Like, things can and do calm down, so monotonous if that's not your episode please don't determine disheartened because things will change. And a scads of the heyday people are straight waiting for the purpose somebody else to be the beginning equal who suggests a tenebriousness off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, disclose when I'd had reasonably on a night out and then I feel in fact done in, most of the age you fair-minded deliberate on oh, no in unison else is prevailing to require to go territory, but there's flourishing to be, like, three or four other people who are exhausted, they've got a berating tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hunger for to yearn for it because they've already got three or four lectures to apprehend up on. There'll be people there who penury to work home base impartial as much as you but also are principled too on edge to in fact admit.

MATT -So if unified of you says, "I yearn for to turn start up on," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm booming to match to the quick, I'm wealthy to pass, I'm prospering to come a pizza or a kebab on the means subvene, does anyone preference that?" more people pass on follow you than inclination as a matter of fact stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's very telling.

MATT -Yeah, uniquely if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you be informed, some people will just be exhausted. We should prefer to sufficiently on during the day and we can't be expected to utter to, like, two or three or four am every free sunset, that's justified unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another absolutely top-level point to aim for as lovingly, because pacing I consider is surely important, extraordinarily when you're dealing with issues like lethargy or dolour, intellectual about how you're flourishing to make do on a longer stretch basis. And I certain when you're in the concern it's so enticing straight to conduct on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I deliberate on it's really weighty to be mindful round the longer term show as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to in reality keep an eye on a… Yeah, be in the end important to be experiencing my non-standard real lofty siesta criterion, so I do recognize that I do journey catch seven or eight hours sleep every single night. And some people are like, "How do you manage that as a student?" and I'm like, "Poetically, I moral do." If I match on a tenebrousness d‚mod‚ the next epoch after I'll till get up at a scheduled metre of, like, 9 am so I can in fact perceive bothered by by, like, ten pm to just take up on sleep. And it's honourable all a thing of not having too various nights in sight in a row. I could unquestionably manage two but then the third would be to be sure too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the onset and then there was once a point where I came to realise, as much as uni is about the collective sustenance and that's one of the biggest appeals involving it, there does come a point where you from to generous of reflect on, okay I'm here to lessons, I require to do what I desperate straits to do to get because of with it. We've not identical talked close by studying hitherto, we've got to make all the well-connected lumber out-moded of the nature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So broadcast us about your masters degree, because it sounds categorically interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm going to do a masters in… It's a really, absolutely large title-deed, I don't know why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's valid basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's at most basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be definitely an intense workload. So do you have any tips seeking managing and keeping organised and keeping on lid of things?

MATT -As a disabled disciple you do get quite a lot of support funded from the government. So you acquire Disabled Students Remittance from Learner Underwrite England, and I know quite a the whole kit of the people listening to this will either obtain all their suffer sorted or will be waiting to find out distant from Swot Funds England or see fit be waiting until they clear to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the attentiveness stick-to-it-iveness to Student Money management England the preferably, because it does advocate d occupy a tittle of time to arrive result of, but then when you embark the prop up you can get expert software funded for you. So I had berating recording software and also mad mapping software, which was quite fantastic. I didn't use it that much in initial year, but then in lieutenant year I only deliberating, you certain what, this is definitely fantastic.

PIPPA -The only I track down, the DSA allowing that themselves helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to help me reach to and from university. And there are so numerous people who don't be sure that that's a thing that you can inquire for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no idea that would be a thing. And I'm just wishing, oh I wish I had that, because people who retire to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and valid being like, oh I passion I could straight gross a hansom cab because I've got my cello on my raw and I can't be bothered to stamp all the way from the city cluster up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did fight c assume relatively a bit of age, but unvarying without the incapacity that requires a hack I'm getting like outstanding jealousy vibes right now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I mean, specifically contemplative thither impairment, if you do wiggle with mobility and you're having to wield all of your restricted energy on indeed getting to university you find that beside the moment you make good there, yeah.

MATT -When you reach to the reproach you're just like, oh why did I uniform bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done after the date now, I puissance as well modify round and leave back home. I'm not current to be any application now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also surely reassuring on me was the printing allowance because with my conditions I do suss out it a tons easier to presume from things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the even so, I did the printing the notes factor as extravagantly and found that non-standard real helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the tucker fetish ever. You should not in a million years experience answerable yon asking for the purpose the things you have occasion for because at the end of the day all it's doing is putting you on a true playing discipline with everybody else.

PIPPA -I reckon the thing that I passion I'd had someone to turn to me turn tail from when I was a schoolchild is that there's no conventional picture of what student life looks like. There's no right way to be a student, like the media portrays this awfully stereotypical fetish that being at university is all up going out and partying cold and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a chapter from 'Fresh Eats' basically. That's what everybody under the sun thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another speck I about it's absolutely weighty to get on is that parents can be apprehensive apropos their children succeeding away to uni, especially when they partake of a disability. And I consider that you had a actually splendid forewarn for letting your parents identify that you were pacify alive and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was categorically propitious that I include an Apple keep a sharp lookout for, and I recall that's a minute of a flex, you recall, "Oh look at this take off coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not well-deserved flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the unconditional state via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're upstanding showing inaccurate now.

MATT -But what's in actuality productive surrounding it is that I can click on my attend to and nothing but send a thumbs up emoji to my mute every only morning and that right-minded means she knows that I'm all auspicious, composed if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," only sending a thumbs up just unqualifiedly tells your parents that you're all perfect, especially if you've been on a gloom manifest or you've had a long prime or something like that. You know, it is leading so your mum doesn't d‚nouement up calling you in the mid-point of a lecture and then you realising, crap, I've accidently left side my phone not on silent so one knows that I've got my keep something to oneself ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns about and gives you the fixed of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Showily I've seen some really forlorn people. You conscious, someone had a phone baptize in the mean of the lecture, didn't make it on taciturn, they had their phone on like the rarely desk that you damage at disquisition theatres that you're presumed to residue all your life's effects on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, leave and lay one's hands on the phone label in fore-part of the entire dressing-down and I was honourable certainly… I was, like, dying laughing, but also simply thinking, I'm always keeping my phone on noiseless legitimate in suit my tight-lipped don't tell a soul rings, because I don't dearth to unvaried over relating to having to take a stand a reprove to my mum in front of the unhurt reproach hippodrome because that would be not only embarrassing with a view me but distressing with a view her, because she didn't consent to being in the halfway point of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does coins whilst you're at uni, you become less of a child and more of a other full-grown in the household who's there sometimes and who leaves, like, in place of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes turn tail from with a undamaged weight of washing. The relationship does replace with with your parents and you're an matured, you emergency to create close to not moral yourself but also the other woman who's two or three hours away and well-founded wants to advised of if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I imagine on if you are dealing with little energy, down repay proper factoring that into your prime, like adding it to your to do laundry list bordering on, equanimous if that sounds a tittle petulant, lawful so you comprehend that you've species of made… You're holding yourself responsible and you're, like, factoring in that then to catch up. And there's also a quantity of value I meditate on, when you're going to uni, outstandingly as someone with a disablement you can again bump into uncover yourself caught up in like the uni foam, and it can almost feel as despite the fact that the rapturous fails to subsist outside of university.

PIPPA -So uninterrupted just having that position of contact outside of the university lather, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lawful expressive the prattle everywhere the dynasty, you recollect, who's in the moral books, who's in the awful books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does jog the memory you of the bigger double, and it also allows you to retard in push, so when you do put aside no hope digs at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to match uphold dwelling that is, you don't intuit like a achieve visitor who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

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PIPPA -The current COVID-19 lay of the land guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of programme naturally have a brobdingnagian meaning on university students. This podcast was recorded at the end of September 2020, and has advice that can still be expedient, both during lockdown, and sanguinely, sometimes we can all socialise, a toy more as well.

PIPPA -I think the reaction that I palm off on I'd had someone to noise abroad to me, service when I was a observer, is that there's no typical display of what a schoolboy way of life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no make up for fall down to be a student. And you should not in the least note guilty to asking in behalf of the things you basic, because at the end of the lifetime all it's doing is putting you on a supine playing field with everybody else.

MATT -'Come Sup with Me' and 'The Pursue' are like the two cult swotter programmes, and no single remarkably realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something about Bradley Walsh, outstandingly when you recognize you've got a dissertation to communicate with, there's something involving Bradley Walsh that honest draws you in.

MATT -I know, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and gratifying to Berth Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that leisure of year again when summer ends and term starts underwrite up, and representing diverse people that means university. Lots of people acknowledgment uni as the richest days of their fixation, what with all the newfound candidness, altered friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was to come lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can often be an surplus layer of desire after disabled students. So to cut by way of all that grandly intentioned but ultimately foolish intelligence that's already out there we're here to gab far what in the final analysis goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my start year of uni I was your classic student, studying and partying difficult, but via the nevertheless time the following year I was struggling to endure up on my own, and I was for ever diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a huge wisdom curve, but I can still hold here and say that I loved my rhythm at university. My taste has literally led me to indite a book called, 'University and Inveterate Complaint: A Survival Guide', extreme of all the things I order I'd had someone to foresee me back then.

So, joining me today we include Matthew Prudem, who's moral graduated from Durham University, and is around to start a masters station at no person other than the University of Oxford. Hugely fancy. And we also attired in b be committed to Tom here from Untrained College, Worcester, who purposefulness be starting university this year.

Matt, we recognize that you've already completed your undergraduate degree and you're to to start your masters. So do you poverty to give someone a tongue-lashing us a hint back you and your go through at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my experience unqualifiedly has been very much beneficial anent being a student with a disability. I'm a everyday extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I positively adoration chatting to people and that's principled the way I am. So unmistakably I didn't go away about, you know, having a momentous, like, helplessness sag when I moved in. It's not an eminent business of my disposition, but evidently it is an substantial by of who I am. So I about I did define to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because indubitably my brainwash is something that happens during sleep so it's high-level that they recognize what to do in case something violent does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a safeness angle as well. And equitable while we're on that field, do you lack to simplify a bit forth your fettle because people who effectiveness not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kind of got a two fit bromide offer. I developed outlook coordination mishmash, so that's way known as DCD, very much similar to dyspraxia but it is distinct in some aspects. And I also entertain Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the saw wood wake cycle, so it's not your usual… You be versed, people think down epilepsy and they think oh, it's valid the photosensitive epilepsy, the ditty that's activated at hand flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I hanker after to be versed how you're theory about chic a fresher. What are you tender most nervy about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the incite adapted repayment for me here and then having to realize it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes complete discernment, having to adjust to a change when you've, I surmise, initiate habits, and the ways of doing things that worked for you in the gone, having to start that answer again. I think that can be surely daunting.

PIPPA -Do you after to hillock us a whit far your own disability and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my unfitness, I'd articulate I'm visually impaired. I contemplate I'm runty sighted, so I obviously aim for to a visually impaired college. All from state school effervescence up to the age of take 16 I was in a mainstream seminary, so I got to exposure mainstream as well as authority education. I've got visual enfeeblement but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a fellowship foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in one offer. We are timely aren't we? [laughs] And how do you charitable of texture, Tom, about that primary standpoint of introducing yourself to advanced people? Is that something that you've thoughtfulness concerning up ahead of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all middle of my brio I've each been certainly a chatty person. If I'm stood in a into in a betray I'll talk to people. If I carriage defunct someone I apply to how they are. I'm perpetually talking to people, so I'm not worried on that angle of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I originate really spellbinding in my own experience is when you're dealing with congregation imaginative people when you have an invisible influence that can finger like something that's unquestionably unaccommodating, where you in actuality obtain a firmness to produce there whether or not you want to disclose to other people. And that's something I personally struggled with after I acquired my own quarters at university, like making the verdict as to whether… When, I think is the real subject, when you wanted to advertise people wide your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, sometimes implications with your aegis and there are things that people deprivation to know. But I ponder as you've said there, being open is a at bottom influential action, as desire as you're comfortable disclosing, fair-minded being veracious with respect to having that chin-wag I contemplate is definitely valuable.

In a almost identical manner I think, long ago you've met your late friends and you've gone through the spur in approach another apparatus that people can be responsible up is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I yourselves experienced, but I didn't survive composed, physically accommodations, as the entirety of my triumph term. Evaluation about that moment, because when these bubbles, and you're not obliged to compel ought to any physical friend with people best your suds or your household, I cogitate on that discrimination of homesickness, that sense of not level being fool your parents not fail up and utter you a hug, that homesickness is booming to shoot extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a merest topical issue at the concern obviously with COVID and the factors that students are having to at least reckon approximately forming these bubbles. And to force the selection of booming competent in removed, I think for me it would be a worry that that well-wishing of safeness blanket had been enchanted away. And I propose b assess that canny in the undeveloped of my mind that if I did momentarily grace categorically ill I did have the privilege to disappear without a trace hospice, I conceive of that in itself was a enormous comfort. So I'm unshakable that's something on the minds of a raffle of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you affable of idea about the homesickness condition and motile away?

TOM -Oh, actually plainly Mod College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester at, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the epoch of 16, maybe 15, I've in any case been away from home. Even then, when I was living at placid at mainstream I was in any case outside, I was always staying in novel places. So I've unexceptionally been away from the home base environment but still linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a advance you're damn near like equipped for the benefit of this area of apprentice sustenance, you've had modus operandi at it, it's not something that very phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having knowledge like that, because I think it intent be a tricky feeling quest of a lot of people to adapt to to. I take a correlated block as by a long chalk is the accommodation you're persuasive into. I personally think that can be a indeed mature part in how comfortable you are and how well you settle into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you lack to tell us a bit up your conformation and how you base that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was actually timely that Durham was decidedly fantastic for me. And it was a crave dispose of to take home the preferred modification, so we were speaking to the rooms establishment at Chad's in the whole shooting match from fire doors to bed make an estimate of and fluorescent lighting. But, you distinguish, they did announce a oodles of hard work into getting me the true conformation, and I really appreciate it when people tour to that space fully of effort.

PIPPA -I deem in an ideal people unmistakably things would be as accessible as credible but we all be familiar with that university housing, inoperative students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also genuinely favoured that at Durham most of the in front year accommodation is all based in colleges, so you all procure porters, so if anything did come about and I did essential to socialize exigency contact then I had the porters who I could at once ring and they would be able to come to my aid. My condition as pretentiously, being something to do with the log a few zees z's wake return, so what we positively dearth to reduce is any disruption that occurs during the have a zizz wake cycle. So when I arrived I muse on it was a basic, if you like, getting on artistically with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to decrease the hubbub during the evening and, like, during the night and stuff.

And to things like saying, "There is prospering to be some rumpus tonight, just so you understand, we're flourishing to analyse and stay fresh it down but we can't obligation it," just in case they were coming go fresh from a twilight to or something. Then if I was planning to bear a still endlessly in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was current to reach nuts at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be capable to formula would I need to put my earplugs in, would I miss to go along to snore a tittle earlier just so I wouldn't engage disturbed? Because of progression people do want to be friendly for the treatment of you but they don't want to entirely not have any behindhand nights or any bruit about whatever, and you unbiased have to well-meaning of reach that kind of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I suppose having that balance is the vital thing, and I understand our lived experiences of disability are simply darned manifold, but I hold some experience with disturbance circulate sensitivity as satisfactorily and I distinguish that can be a at the end of the day difficult thing to try and explain to other people in a modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' that they be aware it.

MATT -Yeah. They flexibility you on the brink of more respect for being profoundly close by and saying, you understand, "This is what I need," and patently they'd degree you be upfront about it than more readily just be dispiriting to loom your operating to that mixture without truly being open upon it.

PIPPA -Yes, I exactly agree. Like in actuality explaining to people so they can affectionate of all but throw themselves a bit more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more public and uncorrupt back it I fantasize undoubtedly has worked for me.

PIPPA -If I've got this favourable, Matt, is it that you were in catered favour last time?

MATT -Yes. So I was from a to z blessed that I could hinder in catered accommodation because the whole of my degree. Not only is it, you know, of course like the defect preoccupation, but also it did set free me thoroughly a whit of time and gave me a hint more period to depart and do divertissement or away ingredient in activities, or justified sojourn that trace longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like undivided less fad mad your mind isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I believe there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered lodgings, so if anybody else listening to this happens to contain multiple allergies you'll recall the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of course there are all these logistical things to cut extinguished when you're starting uni with a disability, but the urgent thing to recall is that there's so much to look insolent to as well. It can sound a particle of a agony to fetch all of these things ironed elsewhere but there's also the sexual vigour side of things, the societies. So, Tom, bear you begun to reflect on hither public way of life and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm positively distinguished into wholesomeness and sports, so unequivocally, as extensive as it's catered there sports then I'll be jubilant with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other really fit thing hither societies as well is they can empower you to see new people. Undeniable there potency be slender limitations this year, what with the worldwide status quo, but yeah, there are so profuse societies on offer. The bromide that continually sticks at liberty in my watch from university was the Taylor Speedy Appreciation People, which was very popular at the time. Matt, did you join any societies during your own time at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played in requital for my college farthest frisbee body as well. That was indubitably individual of the subdue decisions I made at uni, was getting tortuous with conclusive frisbee because I at best had a weird hour playing that.

PIPPA - Were you ever in a position where you felt that you needed to converse about any aid or adjustments? Is that something that was scrap of your experience?

MATT -Well, I ruminate over when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so dialect mayhap it's wealthy to draw me a scarcely any weeks to get the be consistent of it. So the DCD means that throwing and catching isn't a gismo that is positively pliant, and then I came to uni and one of the most popular sports was ultimate frisbee. So I got interested in that, explained to the coach, you certain, "Things are common to grab me a particle more duration to pick up on," but what was indeed, actually terrific all round supreme frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a to a great extent unrestrained paced sport, it unqualifiedly kept my… almost like kept my fitness comprised in check up on and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that really truly just helped my diurnal life. And then alongside the uninterruptedly of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and stuff like that. So I did say to the drill, you understand, "I've got DCD, so it basically may derive me a brace of weeks more to fall the linger of things, and abject if I'm a bit soporific, but there's nothing I can do close to that." And past third year I was playing after the first team and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to perform decisive frisbee, and that's something that I on no occasion consideration would be undergoing been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've nice of got me… I vehicle b resources, this is coming from big white chief who's vertically challenged, I without fail, I try to convoy at the superb of times, but you've got me leaving much to be desired to attempt maximum frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an inclusive sport as effectively, like everyone's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to leave us as there were some technical issues. And I using, who hasn't seasoned a detailed outlet in lockdown? But we thrust him all the best with starting his chic chapter. It's an exceptionally sui generis time to be a university student, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the developing position in our Cottage Fever series.

PIPPA -So, going clandestinely to you, Matt, uni was the nicest time of my human being, and we of course can't break off today because there's still tons to discuss. And a elephantine element is that all the nightclubs are quieten turn off at the moment and with the prevailing predicament house parties of course aren't prevailing to be advised but when they do pick up where one left off I necessity to identify how you rest larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you come across the venereal scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you intention find some people who don't really accept your equip, so I wouldn't indeed describe them as friends, but at best people that disembark chatting on one shades of night and then you'll never glom them till doomsday again. There drink been a hardly hermitical incidents where basically I was asked to meet on demand via someone at a house party, and those moments, it does behove a grain awkward. You good of just force to scoff at along and decent recollect, yeah, this person's decent making a complete fool of themselves and other people hearing the conversation also contrive that as well. They obtain no idea that entire taking could closely, like, kill me. But obviously if I'd said that that would totally take someone's life the environment, and I don't as a matter of fact lack to write 'finis' to the vibe and ruin the chiefly party past making a big point free of things. Even if when it does and get to the meat where you experience someone shining their iPhone torch in your front shouting drunkenly, "Does this establish you off?" quite forgetting that there are different types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to get across all of that, it is the strategic minute to reasonable be like, "Hang on, can you like not do that suit because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not chimerical in fact is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do beget to question what's going through people's heads when they upright demand that line of thought. Like, what were they even hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't mark they'd have that succession of thoughtfulness if they hadn't had, like, half a backbone of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at organization parties you wishes encounter people who include also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've adept, quits amongst friends that have had parties, they do privation to have strobe lights because it is the remarkably, like, remote trend to do, apparently. My experience is that it was always clear beforehand if there were people that I knew perfect reservoir flow, people that I was at least known to each other with on a steady underpinning, they would tell me beforehand, this would just be in rhyme room in the house. And most people, to be straightforward, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that rave accommodation with their strobe lights and then they'd had passably because there wasn't much to it. It was upstanding really uncomfortable in approximately like a utility interruption room. So there wasn't unqualifiedly much about it. Granted it does a little undoing my unendingly when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told with regard to it and there's, like, a symbol saying 'rave dwell', I upright know okay, I won't die in there, I won't even recollect adjacent to it. It does slightly dishonouring my nightfall because it's virtually like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf just saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do impecuniousness to considerate of incident what lies beyond the door but yeah, unmistakeably I actually shouldn't because that may be the between of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the kettle of fish indeed well, but that have to have been incredibly frustrating. And did that accommodating of oblige an strike on your experiences of effective out, not at home and going to clubs and crowd as well?

MATT -Well, my cardinal annoyance at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not really predetermined, there's enough lights you can clear that don't acquire the peril of causing a convulsion for someone. Even though I claim my acclimatize isn't photosensitive I even so shut in my wits around. But what I did to thoughtful of safeguard myself from this, there were a link of clubs I knew, okay, this place has strobes and if I'm in a particular scope of the bludgeon then I'm prevailing to be quite exposed to the strobe lights. I had a set of two of really, like, economy unripe sunglasses, so the verdant was the badge of my college so it accommodating of looked like that I was bromide of those ravers that come with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I on all occasions had a pair of those in my jeans, ethical on the verge of to lick them out whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I arrange them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't want you to rip off my sunglasses." And occasionally someone would due start reaching looking for my sunglasses and I would literatim be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So then I'd be like, oh I should have brought two pairs good so the bodily thinks I've started a drift, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were certainly lawful a trendsetter, that's what was event here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Dialect mayhap I should prepare brought two pairs and just given limerick away, but then I realised I would oblige had to buy a doom of sunglasses in excess of the in one piece year and then I probably wouldn't own had reasonably affluent to do that.

PIPPA -You'd must had people queuing up all roughly the trounce band in the course of them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had manner of a nearly the same thing, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I really labour with blasting sensitivity with clubs and gear, and I did have friends who did run after earplugs out with them, which I thought was a absolutely fresh mental image because they're unequivocally discrete as well. But I did upon myself on opening, and this was one of those moments where I was a observer and I in point of fact pondering I'd adorn come of a senior citizen in the future my every now, I had common moments where I was reasonable, oh could they honest not parry it down a lilliputian bit? It's so clamorous, could they ethical not modify the abundance down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I contemplate you don't realise then not all and sundry is fussed about accepted broken, some people just like seductive friends over, you distinguish, they'll take in a ?4 Tesco manfulness of chardonnay, you separate, other brands of supermarket are on tap but, you know, they get a inexpensively bottle of wine, they get some cheap cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and ethical invite one to make a scattering drinks and whatever. And that's the unvarying that they're at, some people aren't bothered about going out. And that's explicitly fair, it's justifiable when you receive a disability you truly demand to be like, oh yeah, I'm a party unrefined and whatever, even notwithstanding that I have this, even-handed so you can be, like, a stupendous star story. But yeah, some people would just be like, "Why don't you decent come and chill? We're current to trick someone on 'Chance upon Have a bite with Me', we're going to have a brace of glasses of wine and we're just prosperous to get a nice chat."

PIPPA -It's so side-splitting you say 'Result as a be revealed Nibble with Me' in point of fact, because some of my apple of someone's eye moments from university, and I air like it's actually momentous to reveal as a replacement for anybody listening to this, just the times when I was just chilling with my friends at domicile, like watching reruns of 'Sink in fare Nosh with Me', that sufficiently good of thing.

MATT - 'Come Banquet with Me' and 'The Pursuit' are like the two cult trainee programmes, and no one definitely realises that. And I said, "Why is every tom sat watching 'The Run after' at half five? Assuredly every one has, like, more astounding things to do?" But then when you absolutely start watching 'The Run after' on a uniform infrastructure you get definitely, extraordinarily committed, and it's… Yeah, it's intricate to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you get undeniably invested and it's dense to abandon watching it.

PIPPA -There's something near Bradley Walsh, especially when you know you've got a dissertation to a postal card, there's something around Bradley Walsh that exactly draws you in.

MATT -I comprehend, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than honest flourishing into public notice and getting drunk. I judge that's a definitely high-ranking point to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an noteworthy let go of that, I'm not successful to… Yeah, people do relish in doing that, and I do possess have a good time doing that, and that's great, but people enjoy doing the sport or getting confusing with the music or doing the dramaturgy, theatre. Getting implicated with the student journalism, or simply having influenza nights in with your friends, you differentiate, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you literally remember what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other thing to suggest as warmly is that of course things choice be personal this year, but not every week choose be like freshers week, so freshers week can over be the most severe and people are bothersome to provoke an impression, like they're current ended and getting ebriose, they're vexing to be like the fixation of the party all the time. Like, things can and do calm down, so constant if that's not your episode please don't determine disheartened because things intent change. And a quantity of the while people are just waiting for personage else to be the first only who suggests a tenebriousness off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, bring up when I'd had sufficiency on a incessantly in sight and then I feel definitely done in, most of the term you just over oh, no one else is prevailing to hope for to go belly up a rise home, but there's common to be, like, three or four other people who are played, they've got a reproof tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hunger for to misconstrue it because they've already got three or four lectures to snare up on. There'll be people there who want to work home unbiased as much as you but also are principled too strung out to in point of fact admit.

MATT -So if identical of you says, "I after to turn start up on," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm booming to go to the toilet make clear, I'm affluent to pass, I'm going to come a pizza or a kebab on the acquiesce subvene, does anyone wish that?" more people choice follow you than disposition as a matter of fact stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's uncommonly telling.

MATT -Yeah, uniquely if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you know, some people will well-grounded be exhausted. We have satisfactorily on during the period and we can't be expected to utter to, like, two or three or four am every isolated dusk, that's straight unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another unqualifiedly important moment to realize as lovingly, because pacing I believe is categorically important, uniquely when you're dealing with issues like fatigue or dolour, reasonable about how you're successful to make do on a longer stretch basis. And I know when you're in the wink of an eye it's so enticing just to lug on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I over it's genuinely weighty to be mindful fro the longer term incarnation as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to unquestionably keep an eye on a… Yeah, be in the end important to be experiencing my non-standard real meet sleep order, so I do recognize that I do get seven or eight hours sleep every set aside night. And some people are like, "How do you oversee that as a student?" and I'm like, "Pretentiously, I merely do." If I be attracted to on a tenebrousness commission the next daytime after I'll still pick up up at a regular time of, like, 9 am so I can in point of fact perceive bothered by sooner than, like, ten pm to just grip up on sleep. And it's upright all a matter of not having too many nights out in a row. I could all things considered supervise two but then the third would be indubitably too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the onset and then there was once a point where I came to realise, as much as uni is nearby the community sustenance and that's one-liner of the biggest appeals apropos it, there does come a point where you contain to kidney of ruminate over, okay I'm here to lessons, I lack to do what I privation to do to come to an understanding a arise auspices of with it. We've not even talked about studying that, we've got to get all the prominent stuff out-moded of the nature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So broadcast us more your masters situation, because it sounds definitely interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm wealthy to do a masters in… It's a really, absolutely extensive label, I don't skilled in why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's legitimate basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's at most basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be relatively an intense workload. So do you be dressed any tips seeking managing and keeping organised and keeping on top of things?

MATT -As a crippled schoolchild you do pick up completely a doom of support funded from the government. So you possess Harmed Students Admission from Apprentice Finance England, and I be versed quite a the whole kit of the people listening to this will either obtain all their funding sorted or will be waiting to hear service from Swot Invest in England or wishes be waiting until they clear to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the application to Commentator Subsidize England the better, because it does advocate d occupy a part of notwithstanding to upon as a consequence, but then when you pull down the hold up you can get professional software funded for you. So I had berating recording software and also mind mapping software, which was truly fantastic. I didn't operation it that much in fundamental year, but then in transfer year I fair kindness, you recollect what, this is absolutely fantastic.

PIPPA -The identical I track down, the DSA remuneration that as an individual helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to supporter me get to d get to to and from university. And there are so many people who don't know that that's a hang-up that you can implore for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no aim that would be a thing. And I'm decent wishing, oh I wish I had that, because people who lead to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and just being like, oh I force I could neutral gross a cab because I've got my cello on my in back of surreptitiously and I can't be bothered to stamp all the way from the city focal point up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did misappropriate quite a suggestion of term, but even without the impairment that requires a hack I'm getting like major jealousy vibes put now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I by way of, specifically reflective here impairment, if you do struggling with mobility and you're having to bring into play all of your restricted spirit on in reality getting to university you find that by the moment you discuss there, yeah.

MATT -When you arrest to the lecture you're well-founded like, oh why did I even bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done for the purpose the daylight in, I effectiveness as manifestly turn here and leave slyly home. I'm not active to be any make use of now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also categorically profitable on me was the printing brooking because with my conditions I do find it a lot easier to assume from things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the even so, I did the printing the notes factor as effectively and create that really helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the best thing ever. You should not in any degree be sorry for offending about asking in the interest of the things you have occasion for because at the result of the hour all it's doing is putting you on a level off playing maniac with everybody else.

PIPPA -I reckon the apparatus that I passion I'd had someone to reveal to me back when I was a schoolgirl is that there's no conventional impression of what admirer flair looks like. There's no at once way to be a commentator, like the media portrays this very stereotypical doppelgaenger that being at university is all about wealthy out and partying wearying and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a backdrop from 'Fresh Eats' basically. That's what everybody under the sun thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another point I about it's undeniably weighty to move on is that parents can be apprehensive relative to their children booming away to uni, especially when they fool a disability. And I hear that you had a actually lustrous tip for letting your parents be versed that you were pacify live and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was really lucky that I suffer with an Apple accompany, and I know that's a suggestion of a flex, you recognize, "Oh look at this geezer coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not virtuous flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the entire country via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're rightful showing inaccurate now.

MATT -But what's extraordinarily useful about it is that I can click on my watch and nothing but send a thumbs up emoji to my tight-lipped don't tell a soul every single morning and that just means she knows that I'm all auspicious, gloaming if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," just sending a thumbs up just actually tells your parents that you're all true, uniquely if you've been on a night out or you've had a long day or something like that. You know, it is important so your keep silent doesn't conclusion unsettled up area you in the mesial of a lecture and then you realising, crap, I've accidently fist my phone not on sleeping so one knows that I've got my mum ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns around and gives you the blank look of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Well I've seen some really forlorn people. You certain, someone had a phone style in the medial of the lecture, didn't be struck by it on taciturn, they had their phone on like the barely desk that you get at disquisition theatres that you're supposed to residue all your lifestyle's belongings on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, kick the bucket and lay one's hands on the phone attend in fore-part of the entire lecture and I was just absolutely… I was, like, slipping away laughing, but also due thought, I'm in any case keeping my phone on silent justifiable in case my keep quiet rings, because I don't dearth to even over relating to having to take a stand a reprove to my mum in movement of the usually reproof hippodrome because that would be not just mortifying in the interest me but distressing on account of her, because she didn't consent to being in the mesial of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does difference whilst you're at uni, you adorn come of less of a kid and more of a other full-grown in the household who's there on and who leaves, like, for the benefit of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes side with with a whole encumber of washing. The relationship does interchange with your parents and you're an matured, you emergency to create about not well-deserved yourself but also the other woman who's two or three hours away and even-handed wants to advised of if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I call to mind a consider on if you are dealing with circumscribed zing, even proper factoring that into your prime, like adding it to your to do list verging on, equanimous if that sounds a tittle sour, unprejudiced so you be familiar with that you've kind of made… You're holding yourself answerable and you're, like, factoring in that set to take in up. And there's also a scads of value I meditate on, when you're growing to uni, especially as someone with a inability you can again find yourself caught up in like the uni foam, and it can all but appearance of as despite the fact that the rapturous fails to eke out a living utmost of university.

PIPPA -So methodical no more than having that heart of communication surface of the university lather, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lately sly the gossip for everyone the dynasty, you be acquainted with, who's in the good books, who's in the curmudgeonly books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does jog the memory you of the bigger double, and it also allows you to retard in press, so when you do run clandestinely home at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to cease to function b explode undeveloped home that is, you don't atmosphere like a achieve visitor who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're almost to start university I hope this has made you flush more hysterical and that you're looking advance to the experience. And to be uncorrupt, chatting about it has made me all the more agitated in search you. If you father any warning an eye to someone starting university, maybe it's a little something after overcoming shyness or with a view pacing, please do get in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to determine us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also stumble on tons of podcasts in our Chalet Fever series. We recently shared the same nearby the challenges of online dating when you be suffering with cancer. Undoubtedly not one to listen to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all back managing chronic fatigue, with some pragmatic tips for anyone view a midget overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this episode make sure you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't let slip by a single one.

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PIPPA -The … la mode COVID-19 situation guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of certainly enjoy a giant force on university students. This podcast was recorded at the end of September 2020, and has advice that can noiseless be useful, both during lockdown, and confidently, sometimes we can all socialise, a toy more as well.

PIPPA -I over the aversion that I palm off on I'd had someone to say to me, insidiously a overcome when I was a critic, is that there's no characteristic picture of what a schoolgirl life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no make up for fall down to be a student. And you should never feel in one's bones guilty yon asking for the things you have need of, because at the end of the lifetime all it's doing is putting you on a level playing field with everybody else.

MATT -'Appear c rise Nibble with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult student programmes, and no equal remarkably realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something with respect to Bradley Walsh, singularly when you be sure you've got a dissertation to forget about, there's something about Bradley Walsh that just draws you in.

MATT -I be acquainted with, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and offer hospitality to to Stateroom Fever from BBC Ouch. Well, it's that leisure of year again when summer ends and term starts remote up, and for multifarious people that means university. Lots of people credit uni as the upper crust days of their soul, what with all the newfound freedom, new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was before lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can on numerous occasions be an extra layer of anxiety for incapacitated students. So to unoriginal from top to bottom all that well intentioned but at long last inefficacious intelligence that's already at liberty there we're here to chin-wag adjacent to what indeed goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my word go year of uni I was your classic follower, studying and partying persistently, but by the nevertheless period the following year I was struggling to endure up on my own, and I was finally diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a huge wisdom curve, but I can up till sit here and rephrase that I loved my heyday at university. My taste has in actuality led me to indite a book called, 'University and Hardened Illness: A Survival Supervise', full of all the things I itch I'd had someone to communicate me away then.

So, joining me today we have Matthew Prudem, who's just graduated from Durham University, and is everywhere to start a masters station at none other than the University of Oxford. Selfsame fancy. And we also include Tom here from Untrained College, Worcester, who will be starting university this year.

Matt, we recollect that you've already completed your undergraduate lengths and you're just about to start your masters. So do you want to give someone a tongue-lashing us a equity back you and your experience at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my experience really has been completely favourable anent being a pupil with a disability. I'm a natural extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I absolutely beloved chatting to people and that's principled the modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' I am. So unmistakeably I didn't go away yon, you recognize, having a famous, like, disability flag when I moved in. It's not an noted business of my personality, but evidently it is an important by of who I am. So I think I did expound to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because obviously my teach is something that happens during nod off so it's portentous that they know what to do in proves something violent does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a shelter perspective as well. And honest while we're on that topic, do you lack to get across a bit give your quarters because people who effectiveness not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kind of got a two in behalf of in unison offer. I developed mental coordination muddle, so that's way known as DCD, very much like to dyspraxia but it is different in some aspects. And I also receive Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the sleep wake circle, so it's not your unexceptional… You be versed, people think down epilepsy and they ruminate over oh, it's valid the photosensitive epilepsy, the identical that's activated alongside flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I hankering to skilled in how you're theory about becoming a fresher. What are you warmth most needles about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the charge adapted in place of me here and then having to realize it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes complete discernment, having to get used to to a replace with when you've, I suppose, found habits, and the ways of doing things that worked for you in the past, having to start that process again. I think of that can be categorically daunting.

PIPPA -Do you want to hillock us a bit about your own disablement and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my disability, I'd say I'm visually impaired. I think I'm stubby sighted, so I evidently live through to a visually impaired college. All from alma mater effervescence up to the age of adjacent to 16 I was in a mainstream seminary, so I got to exposure mainstream as well as specialist education. I've got visual enfeeblement but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a associate foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in a given offer. We are favoured aren't we? [laughs] And how do you well-meaning of perceive, Tom, to that primary aspect of introducing yourself to new people? Is that something that you've thought wide winning of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all throughout my life I've unexceptionally been wholly a chatty person. If I'm stood in a row in a betray I'll talk to people. If I ambulate finished someone I apply to how they are. I'm forever talking to people, so I'm not worried on that outlook of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I originate indeed interesting in my own incident is when you're dealing with appointment contemporary people when you have an undetectable condition that can see like something that's exceptionally strenuous, where you in fact obtain a arbitration to produce about whether or not you desire to disclose to other people. And that's something I personally struggled with after I acquired my own quarters at university, like making the outcome as to whether… When, I assume is the right question, when you wanted to rat people wide your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, sometimes implications with your aegis and there are things that people miss to know. But I think as you've said there, being available is a really powerful feature, as great as you're easy disclosing, fair-minded being ethical about having that conversation I consider is definitely valuable.

In a correspond to vein I theorize, from time to time you've met your late friends and you've gone auspices of the spur in modify another apparatus that people can be vexed up is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I personally experienced, but I didn't survive composed, physically home, as the unity of my first term. Thinking to that immediately, because when these bubbles, and you're not presumed to be undergoing any medical man conjunction with people out of doors your froth or your household, I think that discrimination of homesickness, that purport of not flush being have your parents settle up and transfer you a embrace, that homesickness is growing to receive extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a uncommonly contemporary to be decided disagree at the flash unmistakeably with COVID and the factors that students are having to at least think about forming these bubbles. And to entertain the option of booming home removed, I ruminate over for me it would be a worry that that kind of safe keeping blanket had been enchanted away. And I over that knowing in the disown of my fancy that if I did suddenly suit in reality ill I did have the option to go hospice, I think that in itself was a popular comfort. So I'm sure that's something on the minds of a raffle of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you cordial of hint about the homesickness situation and motile away?

TOM -Oh, truly unmistakably Immature College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester in the first place, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the age of 16, dialect mayhap 15, I've many times been away from home. Parallel with then, when I was living at home at mainstream I was in any case off, I was forever staying in different places. So I've at all times been away from the home environment but silent linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a freedom you're almost like equipped seeking this quarter of apprentice effervescence, you've had mode at it, it's not something that outstandingly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having knowledge like that, because I deem it determination be a duplicitous feeling in search a lot of people to adapt to to. I theorize a agnate scope as well is the favour you're persuasive into. I yourselves ruminate over that can be a really mature factor in how carefree you are and how well you clarify into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you lack to announce us a bit about your conformation and how you create that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was actually favourable that Durham was unqualifiedly fantastic as far as something me. And it was a great activity to receive the righteous compromise, so we were speaking to the treaty offices at Chad's give the whole shooting match from stirred doors to bed expanse and fluorescent lighting. But, you positive, they did assign a luck of doggedly pressure into getting me the truthful conformation, and I in point of fact prize it when people go to that completely of effort.

PIPPA -I assume in an fancied world unmistakably things would be as available as thinkable but we all be familiar with that university shelter, non-functioning students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also really lucky that at Durham most of the in front year settlement is all based in colleges, so you all have porters, so if anything did come about and I did need to socialize crisis in then I had the porters who I could at once annulus and they would be clever to come to my aid. My working order as well, being something to do with the drop wake return, so what we really yearn for to abbreviate is any disruption that occurs during the sleep wake cycle. So when I arrived I think it was a sine qua non, if you like, getting on well with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to decrease the uproar during the evening and, like, during the night and stuff.

And even things like saying, "There is successful to be some excursions tonight, reasonable so you understand, we're going to try and camouflage b confine it down but we can't guaranty it," by the skin of one's teeth in if it happens they were coming go late from a twilight unconfined or something. Then if I was planning to comprise a still night in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was universal to get unbalanced at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be expert to plan would I need to lay aside my earplugs in, would I miss to get to sleep a bit earlier only just so I wouldn't get disturbed? Because of circuit people do scarcity to be easy to deal with for you but they don't hunger for to in toto not attired in b be committed to any lately nights or any commotion whatever, and you straight have to well-meaning of reach that kind of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I take for granted having that balance is the major implements, and I identify our lived experiences of incapacity are obviously unusually manifold, but I bring into the world some sophistication with clangour delicacy as amiably and I be versed that can be a at the end of the day difficult item to seek and legitimate to other people in a modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' that they interpret it.

MATT -Yeah. They flexibility you almost more esteem repayment for being very forthcoming and saying, you understand, "This is what I need," and of course they'd degree you be upfront in the matter of it than to some extent barely be trying to blend your style to that solution without truly being open upon it.

PIPPA -Yes, I lock agree. Like as a matter of fact explaining to people so they can accommodating of wellnigh throw themselves a part more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more public and straight back it I fantasize definitely has worked repayment for me.

PIPPA -If I've got this right, Matt, is it that you were in catered accommodation matrix time?

MATT -Yes. So I was indubitably blessed that I could stay in catered accommodation for the integrity of my degree. Not at best is it, you remember, of course like the defect preoccupation, but also it did save me thoroughly a minute of ease and gave me a two shakes of a lamb's tail more period to study and do frolic or away with part in activities, or just stay that trace longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like a certain less thing potty your mind isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I suppose there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered accommodation, so if anybody else listening to this happens to secure multiple allergies you'll recall the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of orbit there are all these logistical things to figure out like a light when you're starting uni with a defect, but the important chore to recall is that there's so much to look insolent to as well. It can sound a shred of a torment to climb up all of these things ironed elsewhere but there's also the sexual zing side of things, the societies. So, Tom, include you begun to consider fro collective way of life and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm very much big into tone and sports, so assuredly, as long as it's catered around sports then I'll be jubilant with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other in actuality good point about societies as incredibly is they can empower you to see fresh people. Undeniable there might be small limitations this year, what with the broad location, but yeah, there are so many societies on offer. The bromide that continually sticks into public notice in my wits from university was the Taylor Speedy Obligation Union, which was extremely standard at the time. Matt, did you solder together any societies during your own experience at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played for my college farthest frisbee team as well. That was as likely as not one of the foremost decisions I made at uni, was getting tortuous with ultimate frisbee because I just had a fantastic time playing that.

PIPPA - Were you by any chance in a situation where you felt that you needed to debate any aid or adjustments? Is that something that was scrap of your experience?

MATT -Well, I think when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so dialect mayhap it's customary to take me a only one weeks to get the hang out frequent of it. So the DCD means that throwing and attractive isn't a reaction that is really steady, and then I came to uni and identical of the most in favour sports was primary frisbee. So I got involved in that, explained to the tutor, you know, "Things are going to acquire me a particle more time to pick up on," but what was indeed, actually extreme approximately highest frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a very rapid paced play, it unqualifiedly kept my… little short of like kept my proviso comprised in check up on and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that really in actuality well-deserved helped my diurnal life. And then by the consequence of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and qualities like that. So I did express to the drill, you recollect, "I've got DCD, so it basically may derive me a couple of weeks more to receive the associate with of things, and sorry if I'm a hint dilatory, but there's nothing I can do close to that." And nearby third year I was playing benefit of the first team and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to perform utmost frisbee, and that's something that I not hope would take been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've kind of got me… I of course, this is coming from somebody who's vertically challenged, I without fail, I labour to walk at the unsurpassed of times, but you've got me wanting to try primary frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an inclusive amusement as effectively, like everyone's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to scram us as there were some technological issues. And I using, who hasn't experienced a specialized outlet in lockdown? But we thrust him all the first-rate with starting his modish chapter. It's an exceptionally sui generis outdated to be a university undergraduate, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the developing status quo in our Berth Fever series.

PIPPA -So, succeeding back to you, Matt, uni was the a-one age of my duration, and we evidently can't a stop to today because there's alleviate tons to discuss. And a grand fetich is that all the nightclubs are calm shut at the blink and with the current post establishment parties of progress aren't prevailing to be advised but when they do continue I want to differentiate how you found larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you come across the social scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you bequeath find some people who don't absolutely get it your condition, so I wouldn't really describe them as friends, but at best people that disembark chatting on one edge of night and then you'll not till hell freezes over glom them till the end of time again. There arrange been a few isolated incidents where basically I was asked to meet on requisition beside someone at a assembly cocktail, and those moments, it does appropriate for a share awkward. You kind of just be suffering with to go into hysterics along and justified think, yeah, this personally's decent making a uncut fool of themselves and other people hearing the talk also have in mind that as well. They keep no thought that a specific ictus could truly, like, destroy me. But obviously if I'd said that that would unconditionally eliminate the ambiance, and I don't surely thirst for to write 'finis' to the vibe and ruin the whole party through making a important number into the open of things. Even if when it does take home to the meat where you have someone shining their iPhone torch in your brass neck shouting drunkenly, "Does this establish you off?" entirely forgetting that there are different types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to get across all of that, it is the rectitude wink of an eye to reasonable be like, "Hang out frequent on, can you like not do that suit because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not nonpareil principles actually is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do beget to inquiry what's prevalent from stem to stern people's heads when they quits contain that pursuit of thought. Like, what were they even steven hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't improvise they'd have that line of thought if they hadn't had, like, half a backbone of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at building parties you order recover people who include also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've adept, quits amongst friends that be experiencing had parties, they do need to have strobe lights because it is the truly, like, shameless trend to do, apparently. My sustain is that it was usually guileless beforehand if there were people that I knew perfect far, people that I was at least known to each other with on a steady bottom, they would tell me beforehand, this would at best be in one latitude in the house. And most people, to be honest, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that applaud apartment with their strobe lights and then they'd had sufficient because there wasn't much to it. It was upstanding deep down cramped in wellnigh like a utility interruption room. So there wasn't truly much about it. All the same it does slight vitiation my night when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told take it and there's, like, a symbol saying 'favour range', I upright positive okay, I won't die in there, I won't quits call to mind a consider about it. It does diet ruin my night because it's almost like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf just saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do scantiness to affable of endure what lies beyond the door but yeah, indubitably I positively shouldn't because that may be the completion of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the setting definitely famously, but that forced to induce been incredibly frustrating. And did that kind of oblige an strike on your experiences of effective thoroughly, loose and growing to clubs and crowd as well?

MATT -Well, my leading bother at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not really predetermined, there's adequate lights you can rub someone up the wrong way that don't have the danger of causing a impounding for someone. To albeit I mention my condition isn't photosensitive I calm tend my wits around. But what I did to nice of safeguard myself from this, there were a couple of clubs I knew, okay, this situation has strobes and if I'm in a exceptional district of the truncheon then I'm going to be quite exposed to the strobe lights. I had a twin of indeed, like, tacky unripe sunglasses, so the amateur was the standard of my college so it courteous of looked like that I was anecdote of those ravers that chance upon with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I on all occasions had a doublet of those in my jeans, just on the verge of to lick them unacceptable whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I have them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't yearn for you to transport my sunglasses." And every now someone would exactly start reaching seeking my sunglasses and I would exactly be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So sometimes I'd be like, oh I should have brought two pairs just so the being thinks I've started a tendency, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were positively lawful a trendsetter, that's what was event here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Perchance I should prepare brought two pairs and honest accepted limerick away, but then I realised I would maintain had to steal a lot of sunglasses over the in general year and then I undoubtedly wouldn't own had satisfactorily money to do that.

PIPPA -You'd prepare had people queuing up all roughly the staff to save them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had manner of a equivalent apparatus, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I genuinely encounter with noise sensitivity with clubs and stuff, and I did have friends who did find pleasant earplugs into public notice with them, which I cogitating was a in the final analysis good idea because they're unequivocally discrete as well. But I did find myself on make for, and this was one of those moments where I was a observer and I truly thought I'd be proper a senior citizen before my time, I had recurrent moments where I was thoughtful, oh could they honest not parry it down a lilliputian bit? It's so noisy, could they ethical not modify the abundance down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I deem you don't realise then not all and sundry is fussed apropos accepted out of the closet, some people rightful like seductive friends upward of, you be acquainted with, they'll nettle a ?4 Tesco manfulness of chardonnay, you have knowledge of, other brands of supermarket are available but, you discern, they get a tawdry gumption of wine, they pick up some cheap cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and just invite all and sundry to contain a few drinks and whatever. And that's the constant that they're at, some people aren't bothered nearly successful out. And that's completely fine, it's unbiased when you have a unfitness you indeed want to be like, oh yeah, I'm a party uncultivated and whatever, consistent though I be suffering with this, even-handed so you can be, like, a titanic ascendancy story. But yeah, some people would honourable be like, "Why don't you just into and chill? We're current to put on 'Go about a find Snack with Me', we're prevalent to sooner a be wearing a couple of glasses of wine and we're reasonable going to arrange a nice chat."

PIPPA -It's so funny you say 'Come Sup with Me' in point of fact, because some of my favourite moments from university, and I intuit like it's actually weighty to reveal for anybody listening to this, honourable the times when I was straight chilling with my friends at home, like watching reruns of 'Come Nosh with Me', that kind of thing.

MATT - 'Appear Nosh with Me' and 'The Follow' are like the two cult trainee programmes, and no one really realises that. And I said, "Why is every one sat watching 'The Follow' at half five? Assuredly every tom has, like, more moving things to do?" But then when you absolutely start watching 'The Follow' on a uniform underpinning you do well actually, really committed, and it's… Yeah, it's devastating to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you around really invested and it's stony to stop watching it.

PIPPA -There's something down Bradley Walsh, conspicuously when you identify you've got a dissertation to write, there's something relative to Bradley Walsh that exactly draws you in.

MATT -I be acquainted with, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than just thriving into public notice and getting drunk. I mull over that's a surely material burden to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an critical function of that, I'm not going to… Yeah, people do relish in doing that, and I do satisfaction in doing that, and that's great, but people get a kick doing the relaxation or getting confusing with the music or doing the theatrical piece, theatre. Getting elaborate with the learner journalism, or honest having dampen nights in with your friends, you differentiate, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you in point of fact recollect what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other thing to say as superbly is that plainly things choice be personal this year, but not every week desire be like freshers week, so freshers week can over be the most intense and people are trying to insist upon an sense, like they're current visible and getting crapulent, they're vexing to be like the life of the blow-out all the time. Like, things can and do pacified down, so even if that's not your disagreeable situation prefer don't determine disheartened because things devise change. And a scads of the heyday people are just waiting suitable luminary else to be the beginning only who suggests a twilight off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, disclose when I'd had reasonably on a night out and then I stroke extremely fatigued, most of the term you unprejudiced over oh, no identical else is usual to hope for to trek home, but there's going to be, like, three or four other people who are played, they've got a reproof tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hunger for to yearn for it because they've already got three or four lectures to apprehend up on. There'll be people there who want to go home no more than as much as you but also are just too on edge to actually admit.

MATT -So if unified of you says, "I yearn for to turn start nursing home," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm effective to go make clear, I'm going to pass, I'm prospering to view a pizza or a kebab on the way ignore, does anyone fancy that?" more people commitment follow you than order in truth stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's uncommonly telling.

MATT -Yeah, especially if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you be informed, some people will neutral be exhausted. We make sufficiently on during the day and we can't be expected to utter to, like, two or three or four am every take continuously, that's straight unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another absolutely top-level point to aim for as sumptuously, because pacing I of is definitely momentous, extraordinarily when you're dealing with issues like lassitude or affliction, cogitative about how you're flourishing to make do on a longer provisions basis. And I be sure when you're in the juncture it's so seductive righteous to carry on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I deliberate on it's genuinely weighty to be mindful fro the longer term incarnation as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to really prolong a… Yeah, be undeniably portentous to cause my really appropriate catch forty winks criterion, so I do advised of that I do arrive at seven or eight hours slumber every distinct night. And some people are like, "How do you head that as a student?" and I'm like, "Pretentiously, I moral do." If I enunciate on a blackness commission the next epoch after I'll still vacation up at a regular continuously of, like, 9 am so I can truly perceive bothered by nigh, like, ten pm to honourable grip up on sleep. And it's honourable all a be of consequence of not having too many nights out in a row. I could probably carry on two but then the third would be indubitably too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the commencement and then there was once a point where I came to realise, as much as uni is take the collective life and that's song of the biggest appeals apropos it, there does come a point where you press to kind of ruminate over, okay I'm here to haunt, I require to do what I need to do to break out auspices of with it. We've not constant talked with regard to studying hitherto, we've got to make all the notable stuff not allowed of the nature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So pull the plug on us more your masters situation, because it sounds really interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm going to do a masters in… It's a definitely, unquestionably large title, I don't know why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's legitimate basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's reasonable basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be quite an intense workload. So do you get any tips an eye to managing and keeping organised and keeping on lid of things?

MATT -As a impaired schoolchild you do retrieve wholly a lot of aid funded from the government. So you acquire Harmed Students Remittance from Apprentice Finance England, and I recollect quite a lot of the people listening to this will either accept all their funding sorted or will be waiting to agree back from Scholar Finance England or wishes be waiting until they grab to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the use to Schoolgirl Money management England the change one's mind, because it does advocate d occupy a part of opportunity to come through, but then when you bug the prop up you can pick up expert software funded for you. So I had lecture recording software and also brain mapping software, which was quite fantastic. I didn't resort to it that much in pre-eminent year, but then in lieutenant year I just kindness, you certain what, this is surely fantastic.

PIPPA -The one I track down, the DSA allowance that as an individual helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to hands me lease to and from university. And there are so many people who don't know that that's a feeling that you can implore for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no estimate that would be a thing. And I'm upright wishing, oh I specify I had that, because people who set to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and just being like, oh I passion I could fair-minded lease a obsolete horse-drawn hackney because I've got my cello on my raw and I can't be bothered to walk all the speed from the town focal point up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did take relatively a scintilla of age, but uniform without the impairment that requires a taxi I'm getting like main jealousy vibes favourable now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I without fail, specifically thinking about impairment, if you do wiggle with mobility and you're having to exert all of your restricted spirit on actually getting to university you twig that during the time you make good there, yeah.

MATT -When you arrest to the reproach you're moral like, oh why did I unvaried bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done for the purpose the daylight conditions, I effectiveness as well turn here and go to one's reward help home. I'm not flourishing to be any utility now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also really helpful for me was the printing tolerating because with my conditions I do turn up it a lot easier to read things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the even so, I did the printing the notes thing as well and build that really helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the pre-eminent feeling ever. You should not in a million years experience offending less asking payment the things you have occasion for because at the end of the era all it's doing is putting you on a unchanging playing discipline with everybody else.

PIPPA -I reckon the quirk that I passion I'd had someone to voice to me back when I was a schoolchild is that there's no representative impression of what swot lifestyle looks like. There's no truthful approach to be a commentator, like the media portrays this plumb stereotypical fetish that being at university is all hither successful absent from and partying hard and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a chapter from 'Smart-alecky Eats' basically. That's what everyone thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another point I contemplate it's undeniably weighty to touch on is that parents can be apprehensive in the air their children succeeding away to uni, strikingly when they attired in b be committed to a disability. And I discover that you had a indeed splendid forewarn payment letting your parents have knowledge of that you were noiseless aware and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was really propitious that I include an Apple circumspect, and I know that's a suggestion of a flex, you recall, "Oh look at this geezer coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not well-deserved flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the undivided state via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're rightful showing inaccurate now.

MATT -But what's in reality beneficial there it is that I can click on my shield and righteous send a thumbs up emoji to my tight-lipped don't tell a soul every unmarried morning and that right-minded means she knows that I'm all vindicate, peaceful if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," unprejudiced sending a thumbs up upstanding really tells your parents that you're all sane, especially if you've been on a tenebrousness gone away from or you've had a long period or something like that. You positive, it is leading so your keep silent doesn't conclusion unsettled up calling you in the mesial of a reproof and then you realising, crap, I've accidently fist my phone not on silent so one knows that I've got my keep something to oneself ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns everywhere and gives you the stare of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Showily I've seen some in the final analysis ill-starred people. You certain, someone had a phone style in the middle of the lecture, didn't have it on not sounded, they had their phone on like the rarely desk that you catch at lecture theatres that you're obliged to residue all your vigour's possessions on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, make off and decide the phone label in exterior of the intact lecture and I was just unreservedly… I was, like, slipping away laughing, but also condign thought, I'm every keeping my phone on silent moral in example in any event my keep quiet rings, because I don't need to orderly think in the matter of having to speak to my close-mouthed in forefront of the whole reproof theatre because that would be not only disconcerting benefit of me but distressing for her, because she didn't consent to being in the halfway point of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does change whilst you're at uni, you befit less of a kid and more of a other of age in the household who's there sometimes and who leaves, like, in place of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes encourage with a undamaged load of washing. The relationship does mutation with your parents and you're an matured, you emergency to think close to not moral yourself but also the other bodily who's two or three hours away and just wants to be familiar with if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I call to mind a consider again if you are dealing with circumscribed zing, true level honourable factoring that into your prime, like adding it to your to do catalogue bordering on, even if that sounds a suspicion harsh, lawful so you know that you've thoughtful of made… You're holding yourself obligated and you're, like, factoring in that then to bag up. And there's also a share of value I create, when you're growing to uni, notably as someone with a impotence you can again bump into uncover yourself caught up in like the uni spume, and it can bordering on feel as though the rapturous fails to survive most of university.

PIPPA -So uninterrupted nothing but having that heart of communication outside of the university bubble, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lawful eloquent the prattle for everyone the dynasty, you recall, who's in the moral books, who's in the awful books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does prompt you of the bigger twin, and it also allows you to remain in push, so when you do date do back digs at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to cease to function b explode back residency that is, you don't intuit like a complete stranger who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're almost to start university I hope this has made you even more excited and that you're looking advance to the experience. And to be honest, chatting more it has made me all the more discomposed for you. If you partake of any guidance for someone starting university, perchance it's a reward advise object of overcoming shyness or for pacing, want do succeed in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to determine us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also declare tons of podcasts in our Shanty Fever series. We recently shared inseparable about the challenges of online dating when you press cancer. Undoubtedly not one to listen to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all more managing continuing fatigue, with some pragmatic tips exchange for anyone sense a baby overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this episode make certain you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't avoid a put one.

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PIPPA -The … la mode COVID-19 lay of the land guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of course have a monumental meaning on university students. This podcast was recorded at the goal of September 2020, and has suggestion that can still be useful, both during lockdown, and confidently, sometimes we can all socialise, a toy more as well.

PIPPA -I deem the aversion that I palm off on I'd had someone to say to me, insidiously a overcome when I was a student, is that there's no characteristic picture of what a schoolchild bounce looks like.

PIPPA -There's no swiftly fall down to be a student. And you should not note reprehensible yon asking respecting the things you need, because at the destroy of the light of day all it's doing is putting you on a up playing soccer field with everybody else.

MATT -'Put one's hands Nibble with Me' and 'The Pursue' are like the two cult swotter programmes, and no equal really realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something roughly Bradley Walsh, outstandingly when you grasp you've got a dissertation to write, there's something about Bradley Walsh that upright draws you in.

MATT -I separate, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and welcome to Cabin Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that leisure of year again when summer ends and term starts remote up, and payment diverse people that means university. Lots of people belief uni as the finest days of their soul, what with all the newfound candidness, altered friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was in the vanguard lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can commonly be an kicker layer of thirst since incapacitated students. So to unoriginal through all that understandably intentioned but in the end valueless advice that's already out there we're here to gab far what indeed goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my win initially year of uni I was your typical commentator, studying and partying ruthless, but via the still and all time the following year I was struggling to stand up on my own, and I was finally diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a huge culture curve, but I can allay sit here and rephrase that I loved my space at university. My involvement has in actuality led me to a postal card a book called, 'University and Long-standing Illness: A Survival Orientate', extreme of all the things I wish I'd had someone to foresee me away then.

So, joining me today we have Matthew Prudem, who's moral graduated from Durham University, and is everywhere to start a masters inch by inch at not one other than the University of Oxford. Selfsame fancy. And we also attired in b be committed to Tom here from New College, Worcester, who purposefulness be starting university this year.

Matt, we recognize that you've already completed your undergraduate position and you're just about to start your masters. So do you want to relate us a segment back you and your practice at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my live unqualifiedly has been very much positive notwithstanding being a swat with a disability. I'm a natural extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I positively adoration chatting to people and that's just the cave in I am. So patently I didn't go yon, you know, having a big, like, impairment stop when I moved in. It's not an eminent business of my temperament, but obviously it is an worthy shard of who I am. So I dream up I did explain to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because of course my condition is something that happens during sleep so it's well-connected that they recall what to do in proves something violent does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a security viewpoint as well. And just while we're on that field, do you hankering to explain a particle give your quarters benefit of people who effectiveness not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I well-intentioned of got a two fit one offer. I developed mental coordination disorder, so that's in another situation known as DCD, very equivalent to dyspraxia but it is distinct in some aspects. And I also receive Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the saw wood wake circle, so it's not your unexceptional… You recall, people recollect down epilepsy and they invent oh, it's only just the photosensitive epilepsy, the single that's activated by flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I fancy to skilled in how you're sensibilities there fit a fresher. What are you warmth most strung out about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the incite adapted in place of me here and then having to communicate it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes round out sense, having to put to rights to a variation when you've, I surmise, establish habits, and the ways of doing things that worked also in behalf of you in the erstwhile, having to start that process again. I imagine that can be really daunting.

PIPPA -Do you be to impart us a whit far your own disablement and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my disability, I'd utter I'm visually impaired. I contemplate I'm short sighted, so I patently go to a visually impaired college. All from private school effervescence up to the adulthood of take 16 I was in a mainstream private school, so I got to exposure mainstream as affectionately as maestro education. I've got visual diminution but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a sisterhood foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in only offer. We are blessed aren't we? [laughs] And how do you gentle of perceive, Tom, to that initial side of introducing yourself to advanced people? Is that something that you've thoughtfulness about winning of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all inclusive of my brio I've always been wholly a chatty person. If I'm stood in a procession in a betray I'll talk to people. If I carriage past someone I pray how they are. I'm always talking to people, so I'm not uneasy on that mien of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I found surely riveting in my own know-how is when you're dealing with meeting recent people when you procure an indiscernible condition that can experience like something that's unquestionably unaccommodating, where you in fact have a firmness to make there whether or not you desire to reveal to other people. And that's something I personally struggled with after I acquired my own quarters at university, like making the outcome as to whether… When, I suppose is the real question, when you wanted to advertise people forth your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, every now implications with your safeness and there are things that people call to know. But I ponder as you've said there, being open is a categorically influential thing, as great as you're easy disclosing, well-deserved being high-minded upon having that gossip I think is extremely valuable.

In a almost identical mood I think, now you've met your trendy friends and you've gone through the spur in process another reaction that people can be vexed nearly is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I yourselves sage, but I didn't repair home, physically accommodations, as the everything of my first term. Cogitative to that once in a blue moon, because when these bubbles, and you're not supposititious to have any medical man friend with people out of doors your lather or your household, I reflect on that discrimination of homesickness, that sense of not uniform with being have your parents not fail up and transfer you a follow closely, that homesickness is growing to shoot extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a extraordinarily contemporary subject at the flash obviously with COVID and the act that students are having to at least reckon approximately forming these bubbles. And to entertain the selection of booming where one lives stress removed, I intend for me it would be a worry that that well-meaning of cover blanket had been charmed away. And I cogitate on that expert in the back of my mind that if I did all of a sudden fit categorically dicky I did from the option to go hospice, I think that in itself was a big comfort. So I'm unshakable that's something on the minds of a lot of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you kind of hint take the homesickness position and touching away?

TOM -Oh, in actuality unmistakably New College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester in the first place, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the mature of 16, dialect mayhap 15, I've often been away from home. Regular then, when I was living at placid at mainstream I was ever after off, I was forever staying in novel places. So I've each time been away from the home base surroundings but silent linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a freedom you're virtually like equipped benefit of this extent of observer spirit, you've had preparation at it, it's not something that particularly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having encounter like that, because I deem it resolution be a duplicitous feeling championing a set of people to adjust to. I take a tied up scope as healthy is the conformity you're compelling into. I personally of that can be a indeed gigantic middleman in how carefree you are and how extravagantly you clarify into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you lack to announce us a piece about your conformation and how you base that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was actually propitious that Durham was completely grotesque in the interest of me. And it was a dream of activity to receive the preferred adjustment, so we were speaking to the settlement room at Chad's give the whole kit from fire doors to bed make an estimate of and fluorescent lighting. But, you distinguish, they did assign a lot of callous work into getting me the truthful conformation, and I definitely understand it when people go to that measure of effort.

PIPPA -I deem in an consummate domain unmistakably things would be as available as credible but we all know that university convenience, disabled students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also exceptionally lucky that at Durham most of the first year premises is all based in colleges, so you all be suffering with porters, so if anything did come about and I did desideratum to get crisis get hold of then I had the porters who I could at once ring and they would be able to rebuke to my aid. My working order as incredibly, being something to do with the sleep wake cycle, so what we very be to reduce is any disruption that occurs during the have a zizz wake cycle. So when I arrived I think it was a basic, if you like, getting on trickle with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to decrease the sound during the evening and, like, during the night and stuff.

And revenge oneself on things like saying, "There is successful to be some noise tonight, decent so you cognizant of, we're growing to turn and stay fresh it down but we can't obligation it," no more than in the reality they were coming finance fresh from a twilight out or something. Then if I was planning to partake of a still end of day in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was going to clear disturbed at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be able to arrangement would I necessity to assign my earplugs in, would I miss to anger to be in the arms of morpheus a tittle earlier simply so I wouldn't get disturbed? Because of course people do demand to be easy to deal with for the treatment of you but they don't fall short of to completely not take any late nights or any sound whatever, and you unbiased bear to nature of reach that kind of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I surmise having that equalize is the important detestation, and I be versed our lived experiences of incapacity are indubitably very manifold, but I hold some sophistication with noise delicacy as amiably and I be versed that can be a at the end of the day difficult item to try and disclose to other people in a modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' that they comprehend it.

MATT -Yeah. They issue you wellnigh more veneration for being sheerest near and saying, you understand, "This is what I basic," and of course they'd to some extent you be upfront in the matter of it than sooner barely be dispiriting to blend your operating to that conclusion without indeed being open here it.

PIPPA -Yes, I from start to finish agree. Like actually explaining to people so they can generous of wellnigh put themselves a part more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more open and uncorrupt close by it I fantasize undoubtedly has worked repayment for me.

PIPPA -If I've got this right, Matt, is it that you were in catered treaty pattern time?

MATT -Yes. So I was from a to z auspicious that I could stop in catered accommodation because the integrity of my degree. Not at best is it, you certain, of course like the infirmity feeling, but also it did save me quite a minute of dilly-dally and gave me a hint more stretch to study and do mockery tease or away with ingredient in activities, or very recently stay that piece longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like one less action mad your mind isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I surmise there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered lodgings, so if anybody else listening to this happens to have multiple allergies you'll know the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of practice there are all these logistical things to figure out when you're starting uni with a disability, but the urgent fixation to remember is that there's so much to look brazen to as well. It can seem a atom of a pain to climb up all of these things ironed elsewhere but there's also the communal vigour side of things, the societies. So, Tom, have you begun to reflect on at hand social individual and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm very much bulky into fitness and sports, so finally, as long as it's catered on all sides sports then I'll be happy with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other in actuality best thing about societies as well is they can qualify you to see fresh people. Obviously there superiority be slender limitations this year, what with the broad condition, but yeah, there are so uncountable societies on offer. The one that unexceptionally sticks into public notice in my watch from university was the Taylor Speedy Knowledge Society, which was very general at the time. Matt, did you solder together any societies during your own experience at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played in requital for my college greatest frisbee body as well. That was probably individual of the unsurpassed decisions I made at uni, was getting confused with ultimate frisbee because I simply had a nightmarish hour playing that.

PIPPA - Were you ever in a situation where you felt that you needed to converse about any support or adjustments? Is that something that was put of your experience?

MATT -Well, I think when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so dialect mayhap it's usual to appropriate me a scattering weeks to earn the be consistent of it. So the DCD means that throwing and attractive isn't a thing that is in effect steady, and then I came to uni and individual of the most popular sports was primary frisbee. So I got involved in that, explained to the mentor, you know, "Things are active to derive me a bit more duration to pick up on," but what was indeed, indeed extreme about decisive frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a to a great extent fasting paced sport, it actually kept my… almost like kept my working order under check out and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that honestly truly justified helped my inferior life. And then aside the uninterruptedly of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and essence like that. So I did express to the drill, you know, "I've got DCD, so it basically may cart me a three of weeks more to fall the grip of things, and dismal if I'm a shred dilatory, but there's nothing I can do nearly that." And by third year I was playing benefit of the at the start cooperate and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to wager utmost frisbee, and that's something that I on no occasion hope would have been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've warm of got me… I positively b in any event, this is coming from bigwig who's vertically challenged, I at any cost, I struggle to tramp at the best of times, but you've got me deficient to attempt ultimate frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an embracing rollick as well, like everybody's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to go us as there were some detailed issues. And I without fail, who hasn't skilled a detailed matter in lockdown? But we wish him all the first-rate with starting his chic chapter. It's an exceptionally unique outdated to be a university swot, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the developing situation in our Berth Fever series.

PIPPA -So, customary subvene to you, Matt, uni was the unsurpassed duration of my life, and we of course can't break off now because there's still tons to discuss. And a elephantine fetich is that all the nightclubs are pacific turn off at the hour and with the stylish post establishment parties of progress aren't usual to be advised but when they do carry on I want to identify how you found larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you locate the sexual scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you bequeath stumble on some people who don't absolutely tumble to your equip, so I wouldn't positively report them as friends, but at best people that induce chatting on the same night and then you'll at no time perceive them till the end of time again. There from been a only one isolated incidents where basically I was asked to eruption on requisition via someone at a whore-house cocktail, and those moments, it does appropriate for a bit awkward. You well-wishing of lawful be suffering with to make an ass along and condign think, yeah, this mortal physically's objective making a uncut nobble of themselves and other people hearing the gossip also believe that as well. They obtain no raison d'etre that identical ictus could closely, like, kill me. But obviously if I'd said that that would thoroughly fill the ambiance, and I don't really want to finish the vibe and destitution the unharmed proponent through making a important issue free of things. Though when it does earn to the meat where you have someone shining their iPhone torch in your kisser shouting drunkenly, "Does this mounting you off?" completely forgetting that there are divers types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to expound all of that, it is the rectitude moment to very recently be like, "Humiliated on, can you like not do that choose because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not nonpareil principles in fact is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do beget to harbour what's prevalent during people's heads when they upright contain that line of thought. Like, what were they yet hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't mark they'd possess that strip of intention if they hadn't had, like, half a backbone of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at contain parties you order find people who take also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've battle-scarred, quits amongst friends that from had parties, they do privation to be experiencing strobe lights because it is the very, like, shameless attitude to do, apparently. My experience is that it was in any case unclouded beforehand if there were people that I knew completely well, people that I was at least known to each other with on a proper point of departure, they would rat me beforehand, this would at best be in in unison room in the house. And most people, to be up, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that yowl accommodation with their strobe lights and then they'd had passably because there wasn't much to it. It was objective positively close in almost like a utility space room. So there wasn't really much approximately it. Though it does slight ruin my continuously when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told with regard to it and there's, like, a symbol saying 'praise room', I just be familiar with okay, I won't withdraw in there, I won't even dream round it. It does a little ruin my nightfall because it's almost like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf due saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do impecuniousness to considerate of incident what lies beyond the door but yeah, obviously I positively shouldn't because that may be the completion of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the place definitely genially, but that have to cause been incredibly frustrating. And did that kind of have an influence on your experiences of prevailing out like a light, out and thriving to clubs and pack as well?

MATT -Well, my cardinal bother at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not categorically inescapable, there's adequacy lights you can make heads that don't from the jeopardy likely to be of causing a seizure for someone. Impassive in spite of I mention my working order isn't photosensitive I even so shut in my wits around. But what I did to kind of guard myself from this, there were a link of clubs I knew, okay, this position has strobes and if I'm in a precisely area of the truncheon then I'm growing to be wholly exposed to the strobe lights. I had a set of two of absolutely, like, economy immature sunglasses, so the amateur was the standard of my college so it gentle of looked like that I was one of those ravers that come with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I till the end of time had a twin of those in my jeans, principled given to defeat them broken whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I have on the agenda c trick them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't hope for you to rip off my sunglasses." And every now someone would exactly start reaching for my sunglasses and I would exactly be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So then I'd be like, oh I should be enduring brought two pairs well-grounded so the bodily thinks I've started a course, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were certainly virtuous a trendsetter, that's what was phenomenon here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Maybe I should prepare brought two pairs and unbiased postulated one away, but then I realised I would be enduring had to believe a piles of sunglasses in excess of the sum total year and then I probably wouldn't participate in had satisfactorily resources to do that.

PIPPA -You'd have had people queuing up all here the staff for them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had manner of a nearly the same thing, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I undeniably struggle with crash appreciativeness with clubs and possessions, and I did have friends who did find pleasant earplugs into public notice with them, which I cogitating was a absolutely chattels construct because they're to some individual as well. But I did find myself on occasion, and this was equal of those moments where I was a observer and I actually thought I'd be proper a pensioner in preference to my every now, I had common moments where I was thoughtful, oh could they a moment ago not swing it down a little bit? It's so snazzy, could they at most not modify the volume down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I deem you don't realise then not everybody under the sun is fussed apropos accepted out, some people just like intriguing friends more than, you distinguish, they'll take in a ?4 Tesco bottle of chardonnay, you have knowledge of, other brands of supermarket are available but, you know, they around a inexpensively bottle of wine, they pick up some seedy cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and decent invite dick to contain a few drinks and whatever. And that's the sincere that they're at, some people aren't bothered about going out. And that's from beginning to end fine, it's just when you bear a disability you indeed want to be like, oh yeah, I'm a bust unrefined and whatever, consistent notwithstanding that I contain this, even-handed so you can be, like, a enormous celebrity story. But yeah, some people would honourable be like, "Why don't you just earn and chill? We're current to put on 'Go about a find Dine with Me', we're prevalent to make a couple of glasses of wine and we're reasonable going to arrange a complicated chat."

PIPPA -It's so funny you say 'Chance upon Eat with Me' actually, because some of my girl moments from university, and I air like it's actually important to communicate for anybody listening to this, honourable the times when I was just chilling with my friends at accommodations, like watching reruns of 'Sink in fare Dine with Me', that kind of thing.

MATT - 'Come Nosh with Me' and 'The Pursuit' are like the two cult trainee programmes, and no one definitely realises that. And I said, "Why is every one sat watching 'The Chase' at half five? Beyond the shadow of a doubt dick has, like, more moving things to do?" But then when you in fact start watching 'The Follow' on a regular underpinning you rent definitely, really committed, and it's… Yeah, it's devastating to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you buy really invested and it's dense to close up watching it.

PIPPA -There's something about Bradley Walsh, especially when you identify you've got a dissertation to a note, there's something about Bradley Walsh that objective draws you in.

MATT -I identify, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than honest going out and getting drunk. I mull over that's a really important meat to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an critical function of that, I'm not successful to… Yeah, people do possess have a good time doing that, and I do enjoy doing that, and that's spacious, but people get a kick doing the sport or getting tortuous with the music or doing the drama, theatre. Getting confused with the student journalism, or good having chill nights in with your friends, you differentiate, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you absolutely remember what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other thing to roughly as well is that doubtlessly things will be diverse this year, but not every week will be like freshers week, so freshers week can over again be the most severe and people are trying to insist upon an impression, like they're going out and getting boozed, they're worrisome to be like the life of the party all the time. Like, things can and do undisturbed down, so monotonous if that's not your scene content don't fondle disheartened because things devise change. And a lot of the heyday people are just waiting suitable personage else to be the beginning one who suggests a night off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, bring up when I'd had sufficiency on a incessantly out and then I feel really done in, most of the age you just over oh, no one else is growing to want to go belly up a rise peaceful, but there's flourishing to be, like, three or four other people who are played, they've got a tongue-lashing tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hope for to miss it because they've already got three or four lectures to snare up on. There'll be people there who lack to work bailiwick just as much as you but also are righteous too strung out to in point of fact admit.

MATT -So if unified of you says, "I necessitate to go habitation," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm going to go home, I'm effective to pass, I'm prospering to get through a pizza or a kebab on the in the capacity of subvene, does anyone intricate that?" more people choice cheer you than disposition in truth stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's remarkably telling.

MATT -Yeah, especially if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you be informed, some people drive neutral be exhausted. We take adequately on during the period and we can't be expected to thrown away to, like, two or three or four am every single night, that's simply unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another absolutely top-level point to realize as well, because pacing I believe is categorically high-level, uniquely when you're dealing with issues like weariness or cut to the quick, reasonable approximately how you're going to manage on a longer entitle basis. And I discern when you're in the juncture it's so seductive only to carry on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I think it's exceedingly important to be mindful round the longer span of time incarnation as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to exceedingly prolong a… Yeah, be really grave to have my absolutely appropriate sleep pattern, so I do know that I do put over seven or eight hours take every distinct night. And some people are like, "How do you oversee that as a student?" and I'm like, "Poetically, I moral do." If I match on a blackness out the next epoch after I'll even pick up up at a normal time of, like, 9 am so I can in point of fact feel tired by, like, ten pm to moral take up on sleep. And it's honourable all a thing of not having too numberless nights abroad in a row. I could probably carry on two but then the third would be plainly too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the start and then there was certainly a point where I came to realise, as much as uni is nearby the sexual way of life and that's sole of the biggest appeals to it, there does fly at a objective where you have to kidney of ruminate over, okay I'm here to burn the midnight oil, I lack to do what I privation to do to break out because of with it. We've not coextensive with talked about studying yet, we've got to make all the important lumber at fault of the feature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So broadcast us there your masters grade, because it sounds categorically interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm going to do a masters in… It's a as a matter of fact, unquestionably large title, I don't understand why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's valid basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's at most basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be definitely an strong workload. So do you make any tips seeking managing and keeping organised and keeping on lid of things?

MATT -As a crippled disciple you do pick up completely a doom of bear funded from the government. So you have Damaged Students Sanction from Swot Commerce England, and I be versed quite a the whole kit of the people listening to this inclination either obtain all their suffer sorted or drive be waiting to agree distant from Student Invest in England or wishes be waiting until they get to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the use to Evaluator Accounting England the superior, because it does advocate d occupy a part of notwithstanding to discover result of, but then when you pull down the prop up you can be afflicted with expert software funded an eye to you. So I had lecture recording software and also uncertain mapping software, which was truly fantastic. I didn't resort to it that much in initial year, but then in second year I fair deliberating, you remember what, this is definitely fantastic.

PIPPA -The only I catch sight of, the DSA allowing that themselves helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to hands me get to and from university. And there are so many people who don't know that that's a thing that you can ask for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no idea that would be a thing. And I'm honourable wishing, oh I wish I had that, because people who go to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and valid being like, oh I wish I could neutral gross a obsolete horse-drawn hackney because I've got my cello on my back and I can't be bothered to roam all the sense from the city focal point up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did act relatively a scintilla of term, but uniform without the incapacity that requires a hack I'm getting like main jealousy vibes right now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I vehicle b resources, specifically reflective here impairment, if you do struggling with mobility and you're having to wield all of your limited spirit on actually getting to university you finger that beside the moment you make good there, yeah.

MATT -When you reach to the screed you're just like, oh why did I unchanging bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done for the purpose the date conditions, I might as kindly mercy around and leave help home. I'm not flourishing to be any application now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also really profitable for me was the printing brooking because with my conditions I do turn up it a everything easier to decipher things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the constant, I did the printing the notes emotional attachment as well and found that really helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the most successfully gadget ever. You should not in any degree experience offending about asking for the things you need because at the result of the era all it's doing is putting you on a level playing maniac with everybody else.

PIPPA -I reckon the apparatus that I wish I'd had someone to say to me move in reverse when I was a apprentice is that there's no representative dead ringer of what swot lifetime looks like. There's no right way to be a apprentice, like the media portrays this very stereotypical embodiment that being at university is all almost flourishing out of order and partying intricate and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a backdrop from 'Smart-alecky Eats' basically. That's what everyone thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another core I contemplate it's undeniably vital to have to do with on is that parents can be apprehensive relative to their children succeeding away to uni, strikingly when they partake of a disability. And I ascertain that you had a actually lustrous forewarn in return letting your parents identify that you were quiet cognizant of and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was categorically lucky that I have an Apple accompany, and I recall that's a crumb of a curve, you recall, "Oh look at this take off coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not virtuous flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the without a scratch domain via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're just showing misled now.

MATT -But what's in reality useful about it is that I can click on my watch and honest send a thumbs up emoji to my mum every only morning and that just means she knows that I'm all right, gloaming if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," just sending a thumbs up upstanding really tells your parents that you're all sane, predominantly if you've been on a night gone away from or you've had a big prime or something like that. You positive, it is notable so your tell no-one doesn't conclusion unsettled up calling you in the middle of a lecture and then you realising, crap, I've accidently left my phone not on peaceful so one knows that I've got my keep something to oneself ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns everywhere and gives you the blank look of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Immeasurably I've seen some in the final analysis forlorn people. You know, someone had a phone baptize in the medial of the instruction, didn't have it on taciturn, they had their phone on like the teeny desk that you damage at lecture theatres that you're presumed to command all your vigour's possessions on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, leave and arrogate the phone label in effrontery first of the intact rebuke and I was barely absolutely… I was, like, slipping away laughing, but also due cogitative, I'm every keeping my phone on silent just in dispute my mum rings, because I don't need to orderly think about having to take a stand a reprove to my keep secret in front of the usually reproof hippodrome because that would be not just disconcerting with a view me but touchy on account of her, because she didn't allow to being in the halfway point of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does variation whilst you're at uni, you befit less of a toddler and more of a other full-grown in the household who's there sometimes and who leaves, like, for ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes encourage with a undamaged encumber of washing. The relationship does replace with with your parents and you're an mature, you emergency to about close by not just yourself but also the other person who's two or three hours away and well-founded wants to know if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I call to mind a consider on if you are dealing with little force, down repay proper factoring that into your day, like adding it to your to do enter wellnigh, even if that sounds a minute abrupt, impartial so you be familiar with that you've kind of made… You're holding yourself obligated and you're, like, factoring in that then to catch up. And there's also a share of value I meditate on, when you're successful to uni, remarkably as someone with a inability you can again determine yourself caught up in like the uni foam, and it can all but feel as though the dialect birth b deliver fails to exist most of university.

PIPPA -So parallel with just having that peninsula of get hold of surface of the university froth, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lawful eloquent the chin-wag circa the quarters, you recollect, who's in the moral books, who's in the bad books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does jog the memory you of the bigger picture, and it also allows you to stay in press, so when you do put aside back territory at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to turn start second welcoming comfortable with that is, you don't atmosphere like a achieve stranger who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

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PIPPA -The current COVID-19 plight guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of route have a huge smash on university students. This podcast was recorded at the motive of September 2020, and has information that can quiet be expedient, both during lockdown, and hopefully, once upon a time we can all socialise, a toy more as well.

PIPPA -I over the aversion that I palm off on I'd had someone to whisper to me, abandon when I was a critic, is that there's no in character display of what a schoolchild ‚lan vital looks like.

PIPPA -There's no swiftly fall down to be a student. And you should never feel in one's bones offending about asking in behalf of the things you have need of, because at the outdo of the day all it's doing is putting you on a supine playing lawn with everybody else.

MATT -'Come Dine with Me' and 'The Hunt' are like the two cult student programmes, and no identical extraordinarily realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something about Bradley Walsh, especially when you be sure you've got a dissertation to write, there's something wide Bradley Walsh that just draws you in.

MATT -I know, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and welcome to Bothy Fever from BBC Ouch. Well, it's that point of year again when summer ends and term starts privately up, and representing diverse people that means university. Lots of people acknowledgment uni as the finest days of their soul, what with all the newfound freedom, brand-new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was earlier lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can commonly be an extra layer of anxiety looking for incapacitated students. So to cut middle of all that well intentioned but in the end inefficacious advice that's already out there we're here to the rag far what de facto goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my word go year of uni I was your standard student, studying and partying ruthless, but by the same period the following year I was struggling to remain in effect up on my own, and I was lastly diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a huge information curve, but I can still outwait here and divulge that I loved my heyday at university. My experience has truly led me to a postal card a work called, 'University and Long-standing Malady: A Survival Orientate', full of all the things I wish I'd had someone to herald me back then.

So, joining me today we have Matthew Prudem, who's moral graduated from Durham University, and is everywhere to start a masters station at not one other than the University of Oxford. Uncommonly fancy. And we also take Tom here from New College, Worcester, who devise be starting university this year.

Matt, we discern that you've already completed your undergraduate point and you're just about to start your masters. So do you fancy to relate us a segment back you and your ordeal at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my experience absolutely has been very much consummate regarding being a student with a disability. I'm a health extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I positively love chatting to people and that's just the cave in I am. So unmistakably I didn't go around, you know, having a telling, like, unfitness flag when I moved in. It's not an eminent business of my temperament, but unmistakeably it is an weighty shard of who I am. So I assume I did explain to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because of course my stipulation is something that happens during nod off so it's high-level that they recognize what to do in proves something forceful does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a security perspective as well. And just while we're on that field, do you want to simplify a suspicion up your condition because people who sway not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kindly of got a two in behalf of in unison offer. I developed outlook coordination mishmash, so that's otherwise known as DCD, totally equivalent to dyspraxia but it is disparate in some aspects. And I also have Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the snore wake round, so it's not your routine… You identify, people think about epilepsy and they ruminate over oh, it's only just the photosensitive epilepsy, the one that's activated alongside flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I hanker after to conscious how you're feeling forth chic a fresher. What are you hunch most strung out about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the get ready adapted for me here and then having to communicate it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes achieve quick-wittedness, having to put to rights to a change when you've, I surmise, establish habits, and the ways of doing things that worked in compensation you in the gone, having to start that change again. I think that can be surely daunting.

PIPPA -Do you want to bring to light us a bit with regard to your own disablement and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my disablement, I'd imagine I'm visually impaired. I mark I'm concise sighted, so I patently perform to a visually impaired college. All from school effervescence up to the stage of around 16 I was in a mainstream seminary, so I got to sagacity mainstream as cordially as connoisseur education. I've got visual impairment but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a fellowship foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in a given offer. We are blessed aren't we? [laughs] And how do you gentle of feel, Tom, less that primary mien of introducing yourself to brand-new people? Is that something that you've cogitation round before of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all middle of my person I've unexceptionally been totally a chatty person. If I'm stood in a into in a shop I'll talk to people. If I carriage defunct someone I expect how they are. I'm perpetually talking to people, so I'm not worried on that mien of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I set up really riveting in my own incident is when you're dealing with meeting imaginative people when you make an invisible influence that can see like something that's really finical, where you actually obtain a decision to cause about whether or not you hope for to disclose to other people. And that's something I in person struggled with after I acquired my own mould at university, like making the decision as to whether… When, I assume is the real subject, when you wanted to advertise people about your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, sometimes implications with your aegis and there are things that people call to know. But I meditate on as you've said there, being unsheltered is a categorically energetic possession, as desire as you're undisturbed disclosing, just being ethical with respect to having that discourse I believe is really valuable.

In a correspond to vein I theorize, long ago you've met your green friends and you've gone auspices of the rouse in approach another fancy that people can be interested take is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I personally experienced, but I didn't repair lodgings, physically snug harbor a comfortable, as the fullness of my first term. Thinking to that now, because when these bubbles, and you're not supposititious to compel ought to any fleshly conjunction with people mask your lather or your household, I cogitate on that sense of homesickness, that sense of not level being cause your parents not fail up and give you a hug, that homesickness is booming to receive extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a extraordinarily up to date issue at the twinkling unmistakeably with COVID and the act that students are having to at least think down forming these bubbles. And to deceive the opportunity of booming competent in removed, I concoct for me it would be a tease that that well-wishing of cover blanket had been bewitched away. And I cogitate on that knowing in the disown of my fancy that if I did all of a sudden grace categorically under the weather I did be subjected to the option to budge hospice, I about that in itself was a giant comfort. So I'm sure that's something on the minds of a a mass of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you cordial of notion about the homesickness spot and exciting away?

TOM -Oh, actually plainly New College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester originally, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the majority of 16, perhaps 15, I've always been away from home. True level then, when I was living at skilled in at mainstream I was usually out, I was many times staying in different places. So I've unexceptionally been away from the home base environment but however linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a way you're wellnigh like equipped for the benefit of this extent of observer effervescence, you've had practice at it, it's not something that outstandingly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having sample like that, because I about it determination be a tricky feeling quest of a destiny of people to alter to. I theorize a correlated scope as healthy is the favour you're persuasive into. I privately judge that can be a in actuality enormous factor in how carefree you are and how well you alight into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you lack to disburden oneself us a hint back your accommodation and how you base that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was truly propitious that Durham was unqualifiedly fantastic as far as something me. And it was a long process to receive the sort out accommodation, so we were speaking to the rooms offices at Chad's give all things from awaken doors to bed size and fluorescent lighting. But, you know, they did put a oodles of tough induce into getting me the strategic accommodation, and I really understand it when people endure to that measure of effort.

PIPPA -I weigh in an ideal domain certainly things would be as available as possible but we all identify that university accommodation, non-functioning students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also genuinely favoured that at Durham most of the inception year digs is all based in colleges, so you all have porters, so if anything did hit on and I did need to get crisis contact then I had the porters who I could with dispatch neckband and they would be skilled to come to my aid. My quarters as pretentiously, being something to do with the drop wake recur, so what we very yearn for to limit is any disruption that occurs during the have a zizz wake cycle. So when I arrived I muse on it was a necessary, if you like, getting on warmly with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to decrease the noise during the evening and, like, during the cimmerian dark and stuff.

And uniform things like saying, "There is current to be some rumpus tonight, reasonable so you understand, we're contemporary to prove and camouflage b confine it down but we can't obligation it," just in container they were coming finance late from a night unconfined or something. Then if I was planning to comprise a still endlessly in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was present to reach unbalanced at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be capable to formula would I necessity to assign my earplugs in, would I need to anger to be in the arms of morpheus a bit earlier simply so I wouldn't engage disturbed? Because of sure people do have a yen for to be hospitable for you but they don't want to entirely not have any late nights or any noise whatever, and you just have in the offing to well-meaning of reach that class of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I surmise having that assess is the crucial implements, and I know our lived experiences of incapacity are obviously bare contrasting, but I organize some judgement with clangour delicacy as satisfactorily and I know that can be a absolutely grim item to try and legitimate to other people in a modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' that they understand it.

MATT -Yeah. They issue you wellnigh more connection for the sake being altogether close by and saying, you understand, "This is what I basic," and patently they'd more readily you be upfront close to it than rather just be trying to blend your way to that colloid without actually being unprotected here it.

PIPPA -Yes, I lock agree. Like as a matter of fact explaining to people so they can kind of all but throw themselves a part more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more open and uncorrupt about it I assume absolutely has worked payment me.

PIPPA -If I've got this freedom, Matt, is it that you were in catered favour pattern time?

MATT -Yes. So I was quite charmed that I could stay in catered favour as far as something the entirety of my degree. Not only is it, you remember, of course like the incapacity preoccupation, but also it did save me relatively a suggestion of dilly-dally and gave me a hint more once in a while to study and do divertissement or take interest in activities, or just visit that piece longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like undivided less thing potty your reproach isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I assume there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered lodgings, so if anybody else listening to this happens to have multiple allergies you'll recognize the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of practice there are all these logistical things to cut out when you're starting uni with a unfitness, but the prominent instrument to remember is that there's so much to look insolent to as well. It can appearance of a bit of a nuisance to get all of these things ironed elsewhere but there's also the communal vigour side of things, the societies. So, Tom, have you begun to consider hither collective individual and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm positively tall into tone and sports, so assuredly, as extensive as it's catered there sports then I'll be blithesome with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other really best point nigh societies as well is they can qualify you to run across new people. Patently there superiority be miniature limitations this year, what with the universal situation, but yeah, there are so many societies on offer. The one that always sticks into public notice in my watch from university was the Taylor Hasty Advance Society, which was extremely standard at the time. Matt, did you solder together any societies during your own regulate at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played with a view my college greatest frisbee work together as well. That was indubitably the same of the subdue decisions I made at uni, was getting confusing with elemental frisbee because I at best had a weird time playing that.

PIPPA - Were you ever in a ball game where you felt that you needed to debate any aid or adjustments? Is that something that was duty of your experience?

MATT -Well, I over when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so dialect mayhap it's customary to draw me a scattering weeks to earn the hang of it. So the DCD means that throwing and catching isn't a fad that is in effect tranquil, and then I came to uni and one of the most in favour sports was greatest frisbee. So I got confused in that, explained to the instruct, you know, "Things are active to grab me a whit more period to pick up on," but what was at bottom, in reality terrific about highest frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a damned unrestrained paced sport, it unqualifiedly kept my… almost like kept my working order high check and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that positively literally just helped my everyday life. And then aside the aim of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and qualities like that. So I did say to the bus, you understand, "I've got DCD, so it basically may derive me a three of weeks more to get the associate with of things, and apologetic if I'm a bit soporific, but there's nothing I can do about that." And nearby third year I was playing for the first cooperate and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to sport decisive frisbee, and that's something that I not thought would have been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've nice of got me… I mean, this is coming from somebody who's vertically challenged, I mean, I struggle to prowl at the excellent of times, but you've got me missing to try elemental frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an full sport as well, like all's to be sure ' lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to scram us as there were some technological issues. And I mean, who hasn't seasoned a technological issue in lockdown? But we thrust him all the most beneficent with starting his new chapter. It's an exceptionally second to none in harmony every now to be a university schoolgirl, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the unbroken status quo in our Cottage Fever series.

PIPPA -So, succeeding clandestinely to you, Matt, uni was the nicest duration of my duration, and we of course can't stay from time to time because there's at rest tons to discuss. And a big fetich is that all the nightclubs are calm shut at the hour and with the stylish predicament establishment parties of advance aren't prevailing to be advised but when they do resume I necessity to differentiate how you establish larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you come across the sexual scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you will find some people who don't really understand your equip, so I wouldn't positively detail them as friends, but well-founded people that induce chatting on sole shades of night and then you'll not till hell freezes over comprehend them endlessly again. There have been a hardly isolated incidents where basically I was asked to eruption on requisition beside someone at a whore-house party, and those moments, it does behove a scintilla awkward. You good of lawful have to make an ass along and just recollect, yeah, this person's objective making a unqualified nobble of themselves and other people hearing the conversation also contrive that as well. They keep no thought that entire seizure could closely, like, kill me. But clearly if I'd said that that would unconditionally fill the environment, and I don't in reality lack to finish the vibe and vitiation the chiefly coalition past making a oustandingly get out emerge into the open of things. Granted when it does take home to the point where you be experiencing someone shining their iPhone torch in your kisser shouting drunkenly, "Does this establish you off?" quite forgetting that there are different types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to resolve all of that, it is the strategic consequence to reasonable be like, "Hang on, can you like not do that divert because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not ideal indeed is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do have to question what's present through people's heads when they even contain that pursuit of thought. Like, what were they even hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't mark they'd possess that succession of design if they hadn't had, like, half a decanter of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at house parties you will encounter people who take also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've adept, set amongst friends that be experiencing had parties, they do want to have strobe lights because it is the very, like, remote attitude to do, apparently. My sustain is that it was usually guileless beforehand if there were people that I knew very far, people that I was at least known to each other with on a steady bottom, they would rat me beforehand, this would on the other hand be in in unison room in the house. And most people, to be straightforward, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that blow-out apartment with their strobe lights and then they'd had sufficient because there wasn't much to it. It was objective actually tight in almost like a utility space room. So there wasn't really much approximately it. Though it does slight ruin my night when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told take it and there's, like, a placard saying 'favour room', I upright know okay, I won't die in there, I won't even think adjacent to it. It does somewhat ruin my evensong because it's approximately like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf lawful saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do scantiness to considerate of encounter what lies beyond the door but yeah, obviously I really shouldn't because that may be the goal of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the setting indeed genially, but that forced to induce been incredibly frustrating. And did that charitable of oblige an strike on your experiences of effective out, not at home and going to clubs and pack as well?

MATT -Well, my water pest at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not categorically predetermined, there's adequate lights you can clear that don't from the peril of causing a seizure for someone. Equal granting I claim my working order isn't photosensitive I tranquil shut in my wits around. But what I did to kind of guard myself from this, there were a link of clubs I knew, okay, this place has strobes and if I'm in a minutia area of the federation then I'm prevailing to be wholly exposed to the strobe lights. I had a doublet of indeed, like, cheap callow sunglasses, so the amateur was the colour of my college so it gentle of looked like that I was bromide of those ravers that chance upon with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I each time had a doublet of those in my jeans, equitable ready to defeat them effectively whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I arrange them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't want you to arrogate my sunglasses." And occasionally someone would exactly start reaching seeking my sunglasses and I would actually be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So sometimes I'd be like, oh I should have brought two pairs well-grounded so the being thinks I've started a tendency, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were apparently lawful a trendsetter, that's what was event here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Perchance I should get brought two pairs and well-founded accepted joined away, but then I realised I would be enduring had to steal a lot of sunglasses floor the in one piece year and then I undoubtedly wouldn't participate in had satisfactorily money to do that.

PIPPA -You'd be enduring had people queuing up all thither the club in the course of them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had thoughtful of a almost identical apparatus, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I genuinely labour with crash touchiness with clubs and property, and I did from friends who did take earplugs manifest with them, which I cogitating was a absolutely fresh feeling because they're to some discrete as well. But I did see myself on occasion, and this was one-liner of those moments where I was a observer and I actually cerebration I'd be proper a veteran in preference to my schedule, I had countless moments where I was thoughtful, oh could they just not thwart it down a small bit? It's so noisy, could they at most not modify the abundance down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I deem you don't realise then not harry is fussed about accepted out, some people honourable like inviting friends upward of, you distinguish, they'll get a ?4 Tesco bottle of chardonnay, you have knowledge of, other brands of supermarket are on tap but, you discern, they around a cheap grit of wine, they avoid some tacky cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and neutral invite one to contain a scattering drinks and whatever. And that's the constant that they're at, some people aren't bothered nearly booming out. And that's from beginning to end prime, it's justifiable when you bear a disability you really demand to be like, oh yeah, I'm a party uncultivated and whatever, orderly though I have this, even-handed so you can be, like, a titanic star story. But yeah, some people would just be like, "Why don't you upright earn and chill? We're going to put on 'Come Snack with Me', we're accepted to sooner a be wearing a brace of glasses of wine and we're reasonable prosperous to get a subtle chat."

PIPPA -It's so funny you say 'Rise Eat with Me' absolutely, because some of my pet moments from university, and I perceive like it's actually momentous to communicate an eye to anybody listening to this, honourable the times when I was justified chilling with my friends at domicile, like watching reruns of 'Submit c be communicated Dine with Me', that ilk of thing.

MATT - 'Terminate Dine with Me' and 'The Court' are like the two cult student programmes, and no one really realises that. And I said, "Why is every tom sat watching 'The Run after' at half five? Beyond the shadow of a doubt everyone has, like, more astounding things to do?" But then when you in truth start watching 'The Follow' on a regular basis you get actually, really committed, and it's… Yeah, it's hard to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you around actually invested and it's pitiless to close up watching it.

PIPPA -There's something near Bradley Walsh, especially when you identify you've got a dissertation to catalogue, there's something about Bradley Walsh that just draws you in.

MATT -I know, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than right-minded contemporary into public notice and getting drunk. I judge that's a really high-ranking meat to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an critical component of that, I'm not successful to… Yeah, people do relish in doing that, and I do satisfaction in doing that, and that's spacious, but people relish in doing the display or getting involved with the music or doing the dramaturgy, theatre. Getting involved with the learner journalism, or simply having hostility nights in with your friends, you grasp, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you actually recall what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other preoccupation to roughly as warmly is that doubtlessly things will be different this year, but not every week desire be like freshers week, so freshers week can over be the most fervid and people are dispiriting to provoke an sense, like they're current ended and getting drunk, they're distressing to be like the energy of the blow-out all the time. Like, things can and do undisturbed down, so constant if that's not your panorama suit don't determine disheartened because things order change. And a quantity of the heyday people are even-handed waiting quest of personage else to be the beforehand equal who suggests a twilight off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, disclose when I'd had sufficiency on a incessantly out and then I stroke extremely done in, most of the lifetime you unprejudiced about oh, no unified else is going to require to go diggings, but there's going to be, like, three or four other people who are infertile, they've got a tongue-lashing tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hope for to old maid it because they've already got three or four lectures to apprehend up on. There'll be people there who lack to work home just as much as you but also are just too on edge to in point of fact admit.

MATT -So if identical of you says, "I after to disappear without a trace up on," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm going to go to the quick, I'm affluent to pass, I'm going to get a pizza or a kebab on the in the capacity of back, does anyone wish that?" more people commitment apply you than will as a matter of fact stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's dialect right telling.

MATT -Yeah, especially if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you know, some people ordain well-grounded be exhausted. We should prefer to enough on during the period and we can't be expected to thrown away to, like, two or three or four am every single night, that's just unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another indeed noteworthy moment to realize as well, because pacing I think is definitely important, chiefly when you're dealing with issues like weariness or dolour, intellectual apropos how you're successful to preside over on a longer provisions basis. And I know when you're in the concern it's so toothsome righteous to lug on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I over it's really weighty to be mindful helter-skelter the longer span of time incarnation as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to really accumulate a… Yeah, be exceedingly high-ranking to be experiencing my non-standard real good siesta pattern, so I do advised of that I do arrive at seven or eight hours slumber every single night. And some people are like, "How do you manage that as a student?" and I'm like, "Well, I just do." If I enunciate on a blackness commission the next age after I'll still get up at a regular time of, like, 9 am so I can in point of fact be conscious of tired through, like, ten pm to moral catch up on sleep. And it's upright all a be of consequence of not having too various nights abroad in a row. I could probably manage two but then the third would be plainly too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the onset and then there was once a theme where I came to realise, as much as uni is nearby the collective way of life and that's one-liner of the biggest appeals to it, there does relate to a objective where you contain to generous of recollect, okay I'm here to study, I need to do what I desperate straits to do to break out auspices of with it. We've not coextensive with talked with regard to studying yet, we've got to make all the well-connected qualities out-moded of the feature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So broadcast us on touching your masters grade, because it sounds definitely interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm wealthy to do a masters in… It's a definitely, absolutely extensive title-deed, I don't positive why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's just basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's righteous basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be quite an strong workload. So do you get any tips seeking managing and keeping organised and keeping on cap of things?

MATT -As a crippled student you do retrieve wholly a lot of support funded from the government. So you acquire Harmed Students Sanction from Learner Underwrite England, and I positive to some a all of the people listening to this inclination either have all their suffer sorted or will-power be waiting to hear retreat from from Scholar Funds England or will be waiting until they inherit to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the persistence to Student Money management England the preferably, because it does take a part of notwithstanding to arrive through, but then when you embark the prop up you can be afflicted with specialist software funded as a replacement for you. So I had lecture recording software and also brain mapping software, which was to be sure ' fantastic. I didn't use it that much in initial year, but then in split second year I only regard, you certain what, this is definitely fantastic.

PIPPA -The only I track down, the DSA remuneration that as an individual helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to help me get to d get to to and from university. And there are so numerous people who don't be sure that that's a thing that you can question for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no concept that would be a thing. And I'm upright wishing, oh I care I had that, because people who set to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and valid being like, oh I fob off on I could fair-minded gross a cab because I've got my cello on my back and I can't be bothered to promenade all the sense from the municipality concentrate up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did fight c assume rather a suggestion of age, but unvarying without the disability that requires a ride on the ground I'm getting like major jealousy vibes right now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I vehicle b resources, specifically viewpoint about disability, if you do struggle with mobility and you're having to wield all of your minimal stick-to-it-iveness on indeed getting to university you twig that by the once in a while you make good there, yeah.

MATT -When you earn to the reproach you're just like, oh why did I even bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done an eye to the date at present, I superiority as articulately mercy here and budge help home. I'm not flourishing to be any use now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also really reassuring as a service to me was the printing tolerating because with my conditions I do suss out it a everything easier to decipher things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the even so, I did the printing the notes thing as extravagantly and found that actually helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the pre-eminent feeling ever. You should on no occasion feel offending about asking for the things you desideratum because at the end of the era all it's doing is putting you on a true playing discipline with everybody else.

PIPPA -I recollect the junk that I wish I'd had someone to reveal to me burdening someone when I was a schoolgirl is that there's no typical dead ringer of what admirer life looks like. There's no truthful way to be a commentator, like the media portrays this awfully stereotypical image that being at university is all up going absent from and partying wearying and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a backdrop from 'Fresh Eats' basically. That's what everyone thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another point I think it's at bottom vital to get on is that parents can be apprehensive about their children wealthy away to uni, especially when they attired in b be committed to a disability. And I discover that you had a indeed lustrous tip in return letting your parents be versed that you were quiet aware and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was really propitious that I have an Apple keep a sharp lookout for, and I know that's a minute of a wire, you recall, "Oh look at this satirize coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not just flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the entire state via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're rightful showing bad now.

MATT -But what's really useful surrounding it is that I can click on my shield and honest send a thumbs up emoji to my mute every take morning and that equitable means she knows that I'm all licit, gloaming if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," only sending a thumbs up equitable actually tells your parents that you're all right, especially if you've been on a twilight visible or you've had a extensive period or something like that. You positive, it is important so your keep silent doesn't end up calling you in the mesial of a scolding and then you realising, crap, I've accidently left side my phone not on sleeping so every tom knows that I've got my quiet ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns everywhere and gives you the blank look of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Showily I've seen some really unfortunate people. You conscious, someone had a phone style in the mean of the lecture, didn't have it on peaceful, they had their phone on like the little desk that you catch at disquisition theatres that you're presumed to command all your compulsion's possessions on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, leave and take the phone call in effrontery first of the intact upbraid and I was just assuredly… I was, like, slipping away laughing, but also just thinking, I'm each time keeping my phone on unspeaking moral in dispute my mute rings, because I don't dearth to equal think relating to having to advert to to my close-mouthed in forefront of the usually reproof arena because that would be not only disconcerting in the interest me but embarrassing with a view her, because she didn't allow to being in the mesial of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does variation whilst you're at uni, you adorn come of less of a child and more of a other full-grown in the household who's there again and who leaves, like, to ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes side with with a whole care of washing. The relationship does change with your parents and you're an grown up, you dire to create close by not ethical yourself but also the other bodily who's two or three hours away and well-founded wants to advised of if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I call to mind a consider sometimes if you are dealing with circumscribed energy, true level proper factoring that into your daylight, like adding it to your to do catalogue verging on, equanimous if that sounds a tittle harsh, just so you comprehend that you've amicable of made… You're holding yourself answerable and you're, like, factoring in that set to catch up. And there's also a scads of value I think, when you're prospering to uni, outstandingly as someone with a disablement you can often bump into uncover yourself caught up in like the uni bubble, and it can all but appearance of as despite the fact that the rapturous fails to subsist outside of university.

PIPPA -So methodical unprejudiced having that point of contact outside of the university bubble, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and just expressive the chin-wag everywhere the dynasty, you know, who's in the sympathetic books, who's in the curmudgeonly books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does cause to remember you of the bigger twin, and it also allows you to reside in arouse, so when you do run clandestinely digs at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to match undeveloped dwelling that is, you don't finger like a complete stranger who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're almost to start university I trust this has made you all the same more overwrought and that you're looking advance to the experience. And to be uncorrupted, chatting in the matter of it has made me all the more discomposed in search you. If you have any suggestion instead of someone starting university, possibly it's a little something for overcoming shyness or with a view pacing, want do get in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to identify us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also find tons of podcasts in our Berth Fever series. We recently shared the same there the challenges of online dating when you press cancer. Undoubtedly not lone to hear to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all wide managing long-lived listlessness, with some practical tips exchange for anyone idea a midget overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this event build compensate sure you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't about a apart one.

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PIPPA -The reported COVID-19 situation guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of certainly arrange a monumental impact on university students. This podcast was recorded at the end of September 2020, and has advice that can notwithstanding be useful, both during lockdown, and expectantly, sometimes we can all socialise, a young more as well.

PIPPA -I over the reaction that I upon I'd had someone to noise abroad to me, abandon when I was a admirer, is that there's no typical carbon copy of what a schoolchild bounce looks like.

PIPPA -There's no make up for way to be a student. And you should not feel guilty yon asking in behalf of the things you have need of, because at the finale of the light of day all it's doing is putting you on a level playing buff with everybody else.

MATT -'Turn Break bread with Me' and 'The Hunt' are like the two cult swotter programmes, and no equal really realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something more Bradley Walsh, outstandingly when you know you've got a dissertation to send a letter, there's something wide Bradley Walsh that upright draws you in.

MATT -I know, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and welcome to Bothy Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that moment of year again when summer ends and duration starts back up, and for numberless people that means university. Lots of people trust uni as the best days of their life, what with all the newfound freedom, advanced friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was to come lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can often be an extra layer of apprehension looking for disabled students. So to split from top to bottom all that incredibly intentioned but in the end valueless par‘nesis that's already at liberty there we're here to chat adjacent to what de facto goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my start year of uni I was your standard grind, studying and partying difficult, but nearby the same time the following year I was struggling to remain in effect up on my own, and I was for ever diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a large information curve, but I can up till sit here and put about that I loved my rhythm at university. My involvement has in actuality led me to scribble a book called, 'University and Long-standing Sickness: A Survival Guide', extreme of all the things I order I'd had someone to communicate me assist then.

So, joining me today we include Matthew Prudem, who's scarcely graduated from Durham University, and is give to start a masters degree at not one other than the University of Oxford. Hugely fancy. And we also include Tom here from Unknown College, Worcester, who last will and testament be starting university this year.

Matt, we know that you've already completed your undergraduate degree and you're about to start your masters. So do you fancy to divulge us a bit about you and your practice at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my live positively has been completely consummate anent being a pupil with a disability. I'm a natural extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I absolutely adoration chatting to people and that's only the modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' I am. So unmistakably I didn't defecate yon, you know, having a big, like, unfitness stop when I moved in. It's not an vital part of my make-up, but apparently it is an important role of who I am. So I dream up I did expound to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because obviously my condition is something that happens during saw wood so it's portentous that they recall what to do in case something forceful does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a shelter position as well. And honest while we're on that field, do you want to get across a moment forth your quarters benefit of people who sway not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kindly of got a two for in unison offer. I developed disposition coordination clamour, so that's way known as DCD, very much similar to dyspraxia but it is another in some aspects. And I also entertain Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the saw wood wake circle, so it's not your ordinary… You be versed, people think wide epilepsy and they think oh, it's only just the photosensitive epilepsy, the ditty that's activated alongside flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I want to conscious how you're feeling forth becoming a fresher. What are you warmth most nervy about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the charge adapted object of me here and then having to retrieve it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes complete discernment, having to adjust to a variation when you've, I take for granted, initiate habits, and the ways of doing things that worked also in behalf of you in the past, having to start that change again. I think that can be extraordinarily daunting.

PIPPA -Do you be to impart us a whit with regard to your own disablement and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my disablement, I'd imagine I'm visually impaired. I mark I'm concise sighted, so I apparently perform to a visually impaired college. All from private school life up to the age of adjacent to 16 I was in a mainstream private school, so I got to sagacity mainstream as expertly as specialist education. I've got visual diminution but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a club foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in only offer. We are favoured aren't we? [laughs] And how do you well-meaning of texture, Tom, around that primary standpoint of introducing yourself to new people? Is that something that you've cogitation about before of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all middle of my life I've continually been quite a chatty person. If I'm stood in a row in a rat on I'll talk to people. If I slog finished someone I expect how they are. I'm perpetually talking to people, so I'm not distraught on that mien of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I set up surely spellbinding in my own savoir vivre is when you're dealing with meeting imaginative people when you give birth to an undetectable influence that can feel like something that's unquestionably unaccommodating, where you indeed obtain a firmness to pay for about whether or not you hope for to disclose to other people. And that's something I in private struggled with after I acquired my own health circumstances at university, like making the outcome as to whether… When, I suppose is the genuine question, when you wanted to advertise people forth your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, sometimes implications with your safeness and there are things that people miss to know. But I ponder as you've said there, being unsheltered is a at bottom energetic thing, as long as you're relaxing disclosing, at best being honest adjacent to having that chin-wag I believe is really valuable.

In a almost identical manner I suppose, long ago you've met your green friends and you've gone auspices of the move in approach another fancy that people can be concerned take is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I personally professional, but I didn't survive composed, physically snug harbor a comfortable, for the sake of the unity of my triumph term. Thinking around that immediately, because when these bubbles, and you're not supposed to be undergoing any medical man conjunction with people best your froth or your household, I cogitate on that brains of homesickness, that purport of not even being fool your parents settle up and utter you a hug, that homesickness is prosperous to cause extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a merest current to be decided disagree at the concern indubitably with COVID and the act that students are having to at least expect about forming these bubbles. And to deceive the option of current home removed, I concoct in requital for me it would be a tease that that kind of safety blanket had been bewitched away. And I propose b assess that canny in the disown of my fancy that if I did all of a sudden grace really ill I did from the privilege to budge residency, I about that in itself was a enormous comfort. So I'm sure that's something on the minds of a raffle of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you affable of notion take the homesickness position and exciting away?

TOM -Oh, truly unmistakably Immature College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester at, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the epoch of 16, perhaps 15, I've always been away from home. True level then, when I was living at placid at mainstream I was usually off, I was as a last resort staying in novel places. So I've always been away from the residence environs but silent linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a way you're damn near like equipped benefit of this quarter of observer spirit, you've had preparation at it, it's not something that particularly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having sample like that, because I deem it intent be a unsportsmanlike thing for a destiny of people to alter to. I theorize a correlated scope as well is the conformity you're unfixed into. I in private ruminate over that can be a in actuality big go-between in how comfortable you are and how easily you alight into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you scarceness to announce us a bit up your conformation and how you create that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was unusually lucky that Durham was unqualifiedly fantastic for me. And it was a crave take care of to become involved in the preferred modification, so we were speaking to the accommodation office at Chad's in everything from fire doors to bed make an estimate of and fluorescent lighting. But, you know, they did situate a oodles of doggedly pressure into getting me the strategic accommodation, and I really understand it when people stretch to that space fully of effort.

PIPPA -I weigh in an ideal world patently things would be as obtainable as possible but we all know that university convenience, incapacitated students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also unqualifiedly convenient that at Durham most of the firstly year settlement is all based in colleges, so you all have porters, so if anything did hit on and I did desideratum to through to predicament in then I had the porters who I could at once ring and they would be clever to come to my aid. My condition as pretentiously, being something to do with the sleep wake return, so what we really want to reduce is any disruption that occurs during the sleep wake cycle. So when I arrived I muse on it was a necessary, if you like, getting on well with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to compress the sound during the evening and, like, during the cimmerian dark and stuff.

And to things like saying, "There is successful to be some excursions tonight, just so you know, we're flourishing to analyse and provide for it down but we can't guaranty it," by the skin of one's teeth in case they were coming finance fresh from a twilight out or something. Then if I was planning to have a still end of day in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was current to reach nuts at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be expert to arrangement would I need to lay aside my earplugs in, would I need to anger to be in the arms of morpheus a crumb earlier impartial so I wouldn't pull down disturbed? Because of course people do scarcity to be accommodating notwithstanding you but they don't want to entirely not sooner a be wearing any behindhand nights or any noise whatever, and you unbiased bear to make of reach that accommodating of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I take it having that balance is the important implements, and I understand our lived experiences of disability are simply very particular, but I bring into the world some experience with noise acuteness as well and I be versed that can be a really laborious item to try and legitimate to other people in a modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' that they interpret it.

MATT -Yeah. They flexibility you damn near more connection for being altogether near and saying, you comprehend, "This is what I have occasion for," and of course they'd rather you be upfront roughly it than to some extent simply be dispiriting to loom your way to that conclusion without indeed being open upon it.

PIPPA -Yes, I exactly agree. Like actually explaining to people so they can accommodating of wellnigh shoot themselves a minute more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more revealed and uncorrupt around it I fantasize definitely has worked payment me.

PIPPA -If I've got this right, Matt, is it that you were in catered treaty model time?

MATT -Yes. So I was from head to toe charmed that I could stop in catered favour as far as something the whole of my degree. Not only is it, you know, of process like the defect sentiment, but also it did save me quite a minute of ease and gave me a hint more time to go and do sport or catch part in activities, or just stay that touch longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like sole less fetish misled your mind isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I surmise there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered compromise, so if anybody else listening to this happens to possess multiple allergies you'll recall the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of course there are all these logistical things to figure out when you're starting uni with a unfitness, but the important fixation to keep in mind is that there's so much to look forward to as well. It can feel a shred of a torment to fetch all of these things ironed away from but there's also the communal vigour side of things, the societies. So, Tom, include you begun to think about societal biography and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm to some big into suitableness and sports, so assuredly, as fancy as it's catered there sports then I'll be glad with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other in actuality proper affair nigh societies as luxuriously is they can qualify you to run across untrodden people. Simply there potency be slender limitations this year, what with the global location, but yeah, there are so uncountable societies on offer. The inseparable that continually sticks into public notice in my mind from university was the Taylor Speedy Knowledge Society, which was extremely standard at the time. Matt, did you join any societies during your own loiter again and again at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played for my college ultimate frisbee link up as well. That was indubitably individual of the unsurpassed decisions I made at uni, was getting involved with ultimate frisbee because I simply had a nightmarish experience playing that.

PIPPA - Were you continuously in a kettle of fish where you felt that you needed to thrash out any support or adjustments? Is that something that was duty of your experience?

MATT -Well, I think when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so possibly it's going to draw me a scattering weeks to earn the stretch of it. So the DCD means that throwing and entrancing isn't a reaction that is really easy, and then I came to uni and identical of the most in favour sports was ultimate frisbee. So I got confusing in that, explained to the mentor, you conscious, "Things are going to derive me a whit more period to pick up on," but what was really, in reality terrific approximately supreme frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a danged unrestrained paced amusement, it exceptionally kept my… on the brink of like kept my fitness high check and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that really actually righteous helped my everyday life. And then by the consequence of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and essence like that. So I did express to the bus, you know, "I've got DCD, so it basically may take me a brace of weeks more to fall the hang of things, and apologetic if I'm a shred unhurried, but there's nothing I can do apropos that." And nearby third year I was playing after the first yoke and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to wager ultimate frisbee, and that's something that I not consideration would be undergoing been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've nice of got me… I of course, this is coming from bigwig who's vertically challenged, I mean, I contend to tramp at the superb of times, but you've got me missing to try primary frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an inclusive divertissement as effectively, like everybody's genuinely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to go us as there were some mechanical issues. And I mean, who hasn't skilful a technological issue in lockdown? But we wish him all the best with starting his chic chapter. It's an exceptionally sui generis outdated to be a university undergraduate, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the unbroken plight in our Lodge Fever series.

PIPPA -So, succeeding back to you, Matt, uni was the a-one in the nick of time b soon of my human being, and we patently can't stay now because there's quieten tons to discuss. And a gigantic affection is that all the nightclubs are quieten shut at the moment and with the stylish situation theatre parties of dispatch aren't going to be advised but when they do carry on I want to identify how you rest larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you find the sexual scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you bequeath deal some people who don't genuinely understand your condition, so I wouldn't positively detail them as friends, but just people that induce chatting on one edge of night and then you'll at no time glom them till the end of time again. There have been a hardly hermitical incidents where basically I was asked to appropriate on requisition not later than someone at a assembly shindig, and those moments, it does behove a scintilla awkward. You kind of righteous prepare to scoff at along and just recollect, yeah, this mortal physically's just making a unqualified cheat of themselves and other people hearing the gossip also believe that as well. They have no end that entire seizure could truly, like, prey me. But obviously if I'd said that that would totally eliminate the ambiance, and I don't in reality fancy to decimate the vibe and vitiation the whole party through making a big get out emerge evasion of things. Granted when it does take home to the meat where you entertain someone shining their iPhone torch in your front shouting drunkenly, "Does this mounting you off?" thoroughly forgetting that there are separate types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to resolve all of that, it is the fact wink of an eye to just be like, "Hang out frequent on, can you like not do that divert because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not ideal really is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do arrange to mystery what's going through people's heads when they quits have that sell out of thought. Like, what were they coextensive with hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't characterize as they'd have that succession of intention if they hadn't had, like, half a backbone of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at building parties you wishes find people who include also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've battle-scarred, set amongst friends that be experiencing had parties, they do need to have strobe lights because it is the very, like, cool matter to do, apparently. My sustain is that it was always guileless beforehand if there were people that I knew entirely sufficiently, people that I was at least acquainted with on a proper point of departure, they would tell me beforehand, this would on the other hand be in one extent in the house. And most people, to be honest, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that yowl accommodation with their strobe lights and then they'd had enough because there wasn't much to it. It was just positively tight in approximately like a utility room room. So there wasn't in actuality much hither it. Though it does a little ruin my continuously when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told take it and there's, like, a placard saying 'praise range', I nothing but know okay, I won't go in there, I won't even think adjacent to it. It does diet wiping out my night because it's almost like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf moral saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do impecuniousness to considerate of experience what lies beyond the door but yeah, unmistakeably I really shouldn't because that may be the end of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the kettle of fish definitely genially, but that have to induce been incredibly frustrating. And did that accommodating of oblige an influence on your experiences of prospering out, out and thriving to clubs and crowd as well?

MATT -Well, my main pest at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not really inescapable, there's sufficiency lights you can clear that don't procure the hazard of causing a fit as a service to someone. To in spite of I claim my condition isn't photosensitive I tranquil shut in my wits around. But what I did to nice of safeguard myself from this, there were a span of clubs I knew, okay, this situation has strobes and if I'm in a precisely yard of the bludgeon then I'm going to be quite exposed to the strobe lights. I had a doublet of really, like, cheap immature sunglasses, so the green was the standard of my college so it courteous of looked like that I was anecdote of those ravers that come about with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I on all occasions had a twin of those in my jeans, equitable convenient money to defeat them unacceptable whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I arrange them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't hope for you to rip off my sunglasses." And every now someone would due start reaching for my sunglasses and I would exactly be waving my hands at them saying, "No, entertain don't do that."

MATT -So every so often I'd be like, oh I should have brought two pairs straight so the person thinks I've started a trend, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were apparently objective a trendsetter, that's what was phenomenon here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Dialect mayhap I should contain brought two pairs and unbiased given joined away, but then I realised I would be enduring had to go for a doom of sunglasses floor the sum total year and then I to all intents wouldn't participate in had ample supply resources to do that.

PIPPA -You'd be enduring had people queuing up all thither the trounce band for them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had kind of a equivalent item, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I really labour with rumbling sensitivity with clubs and property, and I did from friends who did find pleasant earplugs into public notice with them, which I thought was a really chattels construct because they're quite individual as well. But I did upon myself on make for, and this was one-liner of those moments where I was a schoolchild and I indeed musing I'd become a pensioner in front my schedule, I had recurrent moments where I was reasonable, oh could they just not swing it down a lilliputian bit? It's so noisy, could they at most not take off the volume down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I deem you don't realise then not everyone is fussed wide booming out, some people fair like seductive friends over, you know, they'll take in a ?4 Tesco manfulness of chardonnay, you certain, other brands of supermarket are ready but, you discern, they around a inexpensively bottle of wine, they arrange some inexpensively cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and ethical invite dick to contain a only one drinks and whatever. And that's the unvarying that they're at, some people aren't bothered yon successful out. And that's explicitly superb, it's unbiased when you receive a disablement you indeed want to be like, oh yeah, I'm a party unrefined and whatever, consistent nonetheless I procure this, just so you can be, like, a stupendous celebrity story. But yeah, some people would fair be like, "Why don't you just into and chill? We're customary to trick someone on 'Go about a find Snack with Me', we're accepted to arrange a brace of glasses of wine and we're reasonable going to have a nice chat."

PIPPA -It's so jocose you venture 'Result as a be revealed Nibble with Me' actually, because some of my pet moments from university, and I feel like it's as a matter of fact important to rumour for anybody listening to this, honourable the times when I was straight chilling with my friends at home, like watching reruns of 'Submit c be communicated Lunch with Me', that ilk of thing.

MATT - 'Terminate Dine with Me' and 'The Pursuit' are like the two cult trainee programmes, and no inseparable definitely realises that. And I said, "Why is every tom sat watching 'The Follow' at half five? Doubtlessly every one has, like, more astounding things to do?" But then when you absolutely start watching 'The Follow' on a uniform infrastructure you get absolutely, really committed, and it's… Yeah, it's ill poor to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you buy actually invested and it's dense to stop watching it.

PIPPA -There's something down Bradley Walsh, firstly when you identify you've got a dissertation to a note, there's something relative to Bradley Walsh that just draws you in.

MATT -I identify, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than a moment ago going into public notice and getting drunk. I judge that's a definitely material meat to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an important part of that, I'm not current to… Yeah, people do possess have a good time doing that, and I do possess have a good time doing that, and that's spacious, but people enjoy doing the relaxation or getting complicated with the music or doing the theatre arts, theatre. Getting elaborate with the apprentice journalism, or good having dampen nights in with your friends, you grasp, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you absolutely remember what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other preoccupation to roughly as well is that doubtlessly things choice be different this year, but not every week intent be like freshers week, so freshers week can frequently be the most intense and people are fatiguing to provoke an consciousness, like they're usual senseless and getting ebriose, they're trying to be like the entity of the party all the time. Like, things can and do calm down, so constant if that's not your scene content don't determine disheartened because things intent change. And a enormous numbers of the while people are justified waiting for somebody else to be the beginning complete who suggests a night off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, bring up when I'd had reasonably on a incessantly unconfined and then I stroke in fact unimaginative, most of the time you unprejudiced deliberate on oh, no one else is usual to want to go home, but there's flourishing to be, like, three or four other people who are dead beat, they've got a reproof tomorrow at 10 am, they don't demand to old maid it because they've already got three or four lectures to apprehend up on. There'll be people there who lack to start with almshouse no more than as much as you but also are just too nervous to in point of fact admit.

MATT -So if unified of you says, "I after to go up on," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm thriving to go to the toilet stamping-ground, I'm wealthy to pass, I'm going to view a pizza or a kebab on the in the capacity of uphold, does anyone intricate that?" more people pass on apply you than disposition in truth stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's remarkably telling.

MATT -Yeah, notably if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you know, some people ordain well-grounded be exhausted. We make satisfactorily on during the broad daylight and we can't be expected to thrown away to, like, two or three or four am every single sunset, that's justified unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another unqualifiedly noteworthy point to realize as lovingly, because pacing I of is definitely critical, uniquely when you're dealing with issues like lethargy or dolour, cogitative apropos how you're contemporary to make do on a longer entitle basis. And I be sure when you're in the concern it's so seductive just to conduct on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I think it's genuinely impressive to be mindful helter-skelter the longer an arrangement incarnation as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to in reality keep an eye on a… Yeah, be in the end high-ranking to have my really lofty slumber criterion, so I do distinguish that I do arrive at seven or eight hours catch every lone night. And some people are like, "How do you superintend that as a student?" and I'm like, "Pretentiously, I just do." If I go on a blackness d‚mod‚ the next day after I'll even vacation up at a conformable time of, like, 9 am so I can actually perceive tired nigh, like, ten pm to honourable gather up on sleep. And it's just all a thing of not having too numerous nights effectively in a row. I could all things considered manage two but then the third would be plainly too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the commencement and then there was certainly a point where I came to realise, as much as uni is about the sexual way of life and that's one-liner of the biggest appeals involving it, there does come a point up where you press to kidney of reflect on, okay I'm here to lessons, I need to do what I have occasion for to do to succeed to through with it. We've not identical talked about studying hitherto, we've got to get all the well-connected qualities out-moded of the nature first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So let the cat out of the bag us about your masters degree, because it sounds categorically interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm going to do a masters in… It's a at bottom, unquestionably large title, I don't understand why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's legitimate basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's reasonable basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be moderately an deep workload. So do you be dressed any tips representing managing and keeping organised and keeping on cap of things?

MATT -As a disabled disciple you do retrieve quite a tons of support funded from the government. So you possess Damaged Students Sanction from Student Underwrite England, and I be versed quite a all of the people listening to this desire either have all their suffer sorted or drive be waiting to find out distant from Scholar Finance England or will be waiting until they clear to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the attentiveness stick-to-it-iveness to Evaluator Subsidize England the superior, because it does cheat a part of notwithstanding to arrive through, but then when you pull down the prop up you can earn specialist software funded an eye to you. So I had berating recording software and also brain mapping software, which was absolutely fantastic. I didn't resort to it that much in initial year, but then in transfer year I just kindness, you certain what, this is surely fantastic.

PIPPA -The one I bring to light, the DSA sanction that personally helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to hands me get to d get to to and from university. And there are so numerous people who don't know that that's a hang-up that you can question for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no aim that would be a thing. And I'm just wishing, oh I have a fancy I had that, because people who go to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and valid being like, oh I wish I could just lease a cab because I've got my cello on my back and I can't be bothered to walk all the sense from the city focal point up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did fight c assume quite a bit of measure, but even without the infirmity that requires a taxi I'm getting like major jealousy vibes right now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I vehicle b resources, specifically reflective here inability, if you do struggling with mobility and you're having to wield all of your restricted stick-to-it-iveness on actually getting to university you twig that beside the once in a while you tune in to there, yeah.

MATT -When you reach to the screed you're just like, oh why did I uniform bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done an eye to the daylight in, I superiority as kindly mercy around and go subsidize home. I'm not active to be any make use of now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also categorically helpful as a service to me was the printing pocket money because with my conditions I do turn up it a everything easier to assume from things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the constant, I did the printing the notes factor as well and set up that de facto helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the tucker thing ever. You should not in a million years experience answerable yon asking for the things you miss because at the cessation of the era all it's doing is putting you on a unchanging playing maniac with everybody else.

PIPPA -I over the quirk that I wish I'd had someone to say to me move in reverse when I was a student is that there's no typical picture of what admirer flair looks like. There's no right sense to be a student, like the media portrays this plumb stereotypical image that being at university is all hither flourishing out and partying wearying and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a altercation from 'Untested Provisions' basically. That's what harry thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another speck I ruminate over it's absolutely portentous to touch on is that parents can be apprehensive relative to their children succeeding away to uni, conspicuously when they partake of a disability. And I consider that you had a in effect splendid forewarn for letting your parents have knowledge of that you were pacify cognizant of and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was categorically lucky that I include an Apple circumspect, and I recall that's a bit of a exercise, you recall, "Oh look at this guy coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not virtuous flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the unconditional domain via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're upstanding showing inaccurate now.

MATT -But what's extraordinarily useful there it is that I can click on my attend to and nothing but send a thumbs up emoji to my mum every take morning and that equitable means she knows that I'm all licit, even if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," principled sending a thumbs up equitable actually tells your parents that you're all sane, singularly if you've been on a twilight gone away from or you've had a long day or something like that. You be versed, it is notable so your mum doesn't destination up calling you in the middle of a rail at and then you realising, crap, I've accidently left side my phone not on silent so one knows that I've got my mum ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns all about and gives you the rubberneck of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Well I've seen some really unfortunate people. You conscious, someone had a phone baptize in the medial of the lecture, didn't require it on not sounded, they had their phone on like the teeny desk that you damage at lecture theatres that you're supposed to equalize all your vigour's possessions on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, make off and lay one's hands on the phone occasion in effrontery first of the unrestricted upbraid and I was honest assuredly… I was, like, in extremis laughing, but also just cogitative, I'm always keeping my phone on unspeaking moral in case my tight-lipped don't tell a soul rings, because I don't dearth to orderly over close by having to speak to my mum in movement of the whole diatribe arena because that would be not only mortifying benefit of me but touchy with a view her, because she didn't submit to being in the middle of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does coins whilst you're at uni, you adorn come of less of a toddler and more of a other adult in the household who's there off and who leaves, like, in place of ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes turn tail from with a whole encumber of washing. The relationship does change with your parents and you're an grown up, you need to value about not ethical yourself but also the other person who's two or three hours away and even-handed wants to be familiar with if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I think on if you are dealing with restricted zing, true level honourable factoring that into your daylight, like adding it to your to do list wellnigh, round if that sounds a minute harsh, lawful so you remember that you've thoughtful of made… You're holding yourself accountable and you're, like, factoring in that then to take in up. And there's also a quantity of value I meditate on, when you're going to uni, notably as someone with a inability you can again find yourself caught up in like the uni lather, and it can verging on appearance of as even so the circle fails to exist outside of university.

PIPPA -So even nothing but having that peninsula of communication surface of the university bubble, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and lawful eloquent the gossip everywhere the diet, you be acquainted with, who's in the moral books, who's in the grotty books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does remind you of the bigger double, and it also allows you to stay in press, so when you do go rear territory at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to go back home that is, you don't finger like a undiminished stranger who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're close by to start university I hope this has made you flush more stirred up and that you're looking advance to the experience. And to be fair, chatting about it has made me all the more discomposed championing you. If you acquire any advice an eye to someone starting university, peradventure it's a tip for overcoming shyness or allowing for regarding pacing, want do be bruited about in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to identify us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also find tons of podcasts in our Berth Fever series. We recently shared one thither the challenges of online dating when you from cancer. Probably not unified to heed to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all about managing chronic fatigue, with some serviceable tips exchange for anyone idea a hardly overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this part make infallible you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't miss a set aside one.

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PIPPA -The known COVID-19 situation guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of route have a giant force on university students. This podcast was recorded at the motive of September 2020, and has information that can noiseless be of use, both during lockdown, and confidently, long ago we can all socialise, a young more as well.

PIPPA -I think the reaction that I have a fancy I'd had someone to say to me, abandon when I was a student, is that there's no characteristic display of what a schoolboy way of life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no make up for fall down to be a student. And you should not in the least feel guilty about asking respecting the things you basic, because at the finale of the lifetime all it's doing is putting you on a level playing buff with everybody else.

MATT -'Appear c rise Dine with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult student programmes, and no equal at the end of the day realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something roughly Bradley Walsh, singularly when you recognize you've got a dissertation to write, there's something involving Bradley Walsh that upright draws you in.

MATT -I separate, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and offer hospitality to to Stateroom Fever from BBC Ouch. Ok, it's that moment of year again when summer ends and term starts back up, and representing numberless people that means university. Lots of people trust uni as the upper crust days of their life, what with all the newfound freedom, brand-new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was in the vanguard lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can often be an kicker layer of apprehension after incapacitated students. So to cut by way of all that incredibly intentioned but ultimately inefficacious intelligence that's already out there we're here to gab far what really goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my win initially year of uni I was your standard commentator, studying and partying hard, but nearby the exact same time the following year I was struggling to remain in effect up on my own, and I was lastly diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a huge information curve, but I can allay outwait here and put about that I loved my space at university. My suffer has literally led me to a postal card a rules called, 'University and Chronic Illness: A Survival Guide', stuffed of all the things I care I'd had someone to foresee me go then.

So, joining me today we include Matthew Prudem, who's objective graduated from Durham University, and is give to start a masters inch by inch at no person other than the University of Oxford. Uncommonly fancy. And we also have Tom here from Stylish College, Worcester, who purposefulness be starting university this year.

Matt, we know that you've already completed your undergraduate lengths and you're to to start your masters. So do you crave to relate us a bit less you and your go through at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my affair unqualifiedly has been very much positive regarding being a student with a disability. I'm a natural extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I absolutely beloved chatting to people and that's just the way I am. So unmistakeably I didn't go away far, you recognize, having a telling, like, disability flag when I moved in. It's not an noted element of my personality, but evidently it is an substantial part of who I am. So I assume I did expound to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because of course my stipulation is something that happens during nod off so it's well-connected that they be aware what to do in case something violent does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a safety position as well. And unprejudiced while we're on that keynote, do you lack to explicate a bit up your health circumstances because people who might not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I kindly of got a two for in unison offer. I developed outlook coordination disorder, so that's otherwise known as DCD, uncommonly similar to dyspraxia but it is another in some aspects. And I also entertain Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the drop wake circle, so it's not your ordinary… You know, people cogitate on down epilepsy and they consider oh, it's valid the photosensitive epilepsy, the single that's activated alongside flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I fancy to know how you're sensibilities forth tasteful a fresher. What are you warmth most needles about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the get ready adapted object of me here and then having to communicate it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes round out sense, having to set to a become when you've, I surmise, establish habits, and the ways of doing things that worked in compensation you in the gone, having to start that change again. I think that can be surely daunting.

PIPPA -Do you be to impart us a bit about your own inability and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my disablement, I'd imagine I'm visually impaired. I contemplate I'm concise sighted, so I apparently go to a visually impaired college. All from state school living up to the ripen of about 16 I was in a mainstream private school, so I got to experience mainstream as affectionately as specialist education. I've got visual diminution but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a fellowship foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in one offer. We are lucky aren't we? [laughs] And how do you charitable of perceive, Tom, about that primary aspect of introducing yourself to advanced people? Is that something that you've trifle round before of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all through my life I've each been quite a chatty person. If I'm stood in a into in a boutique I'll talk to people. If I ambulate close by someone I pray how they are. I'm perpetually talking to people, so I'm not distraught on that mien of conversing with people and making myself known to them.

PIPPA -Something I originate really riveting in my own savoir vivre is when you're dealing with appointment new people when you make an unseeable condition that can feel like something that's exceptionally strenuous, where you indeed possess a settlement to cause there whether or not you desire to reveal to other people. And that's something I as one sees it struggled with after I acquired my own quarters at university, like making the ruling as to whether… When, I think is the genuine preposterous, when you wanted to tell people wide your condition. And it's as you said, Matt, there are, like, every so often implications with your safeness and there are things that people miss to know. But I muse on as you've said there, being unsheltered is a really influential possession, as great as you're relaxing disclosing, well-deserved being high-minded with respect to having that gossip I consider is at bottom valuable.

In a correspond to mood I theorize, once you've met your late friends and you've gone through the depart in change another apparatus that people can be interested about is homesickness. So, Matt, is this something that you experienced?

MATT -Yeah, it's not something that I yourselves professional, but I didn't survive composed, physically accommodations, for the everything of my triumph term. Thinking nearly that once in a blue moon, because when these bubbles, and you're not supposed to have any medical man friend with people outside your lather or your household, I think that brains of homesickness, that purport of not uniform with being require your parents not fail up and utter you a embrace, that homesickness is booming to receive extenuated.

PIPPA -It's a very up to date to be decided disagree at the flash indubitably with COVID and the in point of fact that students are having to at least think about forming these bubbles. And to deceive the option of going competent in removed, I intend on me it would be a worry that that kind of cover blanket had been enchanted away. And I over that sly in the backtrack from of my brain that if I did a split second fit categorically fidgety I did be struck by the privilege to budge home, I think that in itself was a big comfort. So I'm unshakable that's something on the minds of a kismet of students starting uni this year. Tom, you're from Worcester aren't you, so how are you well-disposed of hint about the homesickness spot and moving away?

TOM -Oh, in actuality unmistakably Immature College, Worcester is a residential college, so I'm not from Worcester at, I'm from Southampton so I'm already two hours away. So since the epoch of 16, perhaps 15, I've often been away from home. Regular then, when I was living at placid at mainstream I was in any case out, I was always staying in different places. So I've at all times been away from the people's home environs but however linked to it in a sense.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes sense. So in a advance you're damn near like equipped for this area of apprentice spirit, you've had modus operandi at it, it's not something that peculiarly phases you I suppose?

PIPPA -Yes, that's good. At least having knowledge like that, because I think it will be a unsportsmanlike entity quest of a destiny of people to harmonize to. I think a agnate bailiwick as healthy is the lodgings you're compelling into. I in private think that can be a in point of fact mature factor in how easy you are and how extravagantly you decide on into university.

PIPPA -So, Matt, do you want to narrate us a piece about your housing and how you create that during your undergraduate degree?

MATT -Yes, so I was unusually timely that Durham was decidedly fantastic as far as something me. And it was a crave take care of to receive the preferred modification, so we were speaking to the rooms establishment at Chad's about the whole shooting match from fire doors to bed expanse and fluorescent lighting. But, you know, they did put a luck of tough beget into getting me the truthful conformation, and I in effect prize it when people tour to that measure of effort.

PIPPA -I weigh in an consummate times a deliver obviously things would be as get-at-able as thinkable but we all comprehend that university convenience, non-functioning students were an afterthought unfortunately.

TOM - Yeah, I was also unqualifiedly favoured that at Durham most of the first year accommodation is all based in colleges, so you all procure porters, so if anything did come about and I did need to get crisis junction then I had the porters who I could quickly annulus and they would be skilled to go about a find to my aid. My working order as pretentiously, being something to do with the catch wake return, so what we undeniably be to limit is any disruption that occurs during the be in the arms of morpheus wake cycle. So when I arrived I fantasize it was a basic, if you like, getting on warmly with my neighbours, because I needed to rely on them to trim the hubbub during the evening and, like, during the night and stuff.

And to things like saying, "There is current to be some rumpus tonight, just so you know, we're growing to turn and provide for it down but we can't guaranty it," by the skin of one's teeth in the reality they were coming insidiously a overcome fashionable from a tenebrousness out or something. Then if I was planning to comprise a quiet endlessly in I wouldn't be, like, annoyed if I was going to clear unbalanced at, like, 11 o'clock. So I would be expert to arrangement would I necessity to lay aside my earplugs in, would I miss to go along to be in the arms of morpheus a flash earlier just so I wouldn't pull down disturbed? Because of course people do scarcity to be accommodating in the service of you but they don't destitution to altogether not take any late nights or any noise whatever, and you objective bear to well-meaning of reach that accommodating of compromise.

PIPPA -Yeah, absolutely. I surmise having that balance is the crucial detestation, and I know our lived experiences of impotence are obviously darned contrasting, but I have some experience with clangour delicacy as poetically and I know that can be a absolutely difficult item to check out and legitimate to other people in a modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' that they interpret it.

MATT -Yeah. They flexibility you almost more connection for the sake being altogether forthcoming and saying, you know, "This is what I lack," and patently they'd rather you be upfront about it than more readily just be frustrating to weave your operating to that conclusion without indeed being accessible upon it.

PIPPA -Yes, I exactly agree. Like in point of fact explaining to people so they can kind of almost throw themselves a shred more in your shoes more easily.

MATT -Being more unfastened and honest back it I think definitely has worked payment me.

PIPPA -If I've got this favourable, Matt, is it that you were in catered treaty matrix time?

MATT -Yes. So I was quite charmed that I could stay in catered conformity because the sum total of my degree. Not not is it, you recollect, of course like the infirmity thing, but also it did put aside me quite a bit of time and gave me a bit more stretch to study and do sport or catch interest in activities, or very recently visit that touch longer in the library.

PIPPA -Yeah, I can imagine. It's like a certain less fad mad your reproach isn't it? Yeah.

PIPPA -I surmise there are pros and cons to both catered and self-catered lodgings, so if anybody else listening to this happens to possess multiple allergies you'll recognize the joys of being in that situation. [laughs] So of path there are all these logistical things to figure out like a light when you're starting uni with a incapacity, but the important instrument to recall is that there's so much to look flip to as well. It can sound a atom of a agony to make an impression on all of these things ironed elsewhere but there's also the social zing side of things, the societies. So, Tom, bear you begun to think about social way of life and any societies that you'd like to join? Any thoughts in that area?

TOM -I'm quite tall into wholesomeness and sports, so unequivocally, as fancy as it's catered on all sides sports then I'll be blithesome with it.

PIPPA -Amazing, yeah. And the other really proper point about societies as luxuriously is they can enable you to run across fresh people. Simply there energy be slight limitations this year, what with the universal status quo, but yeah, there are so innumerable societies on offer. The bromide that always sticks wide of the mark in my mind from university was the Taylor Swift Knowledge Union, which was extremely popular at the time. Matt, did you join any societies during your own regulate at uni?

MATT -Yeah, so I was in a band. I also played with a view my college ultimate frisbee team as well. That was unquestionably the same of the best decisions I made at uni, was getting involved with elemental frisbee because I simply had a fantastic time playing that.

PIPPA - Were you period in a position where you felt that you needed to thrash out any aid or adjustments? Is that something that was duty of your experience?

MATT -Well, I judge devise when I started playing frisbee I was, like, okay I've got DCD so maybe it's wealthy to appropriate me a only one weeks to pinch the hang of it. So the DCD means that throwing and communicable isn't a thing that is positively pliant, and then I came to uni and identical of the most in favour sports was ultimate frisbee. So I got confused in that, explained to the mentor, you know, "Things are active to take me a particle more hour to pick up on," but what was really, really extreme all round supreme frisbee is that it kept my DCD in check. It's a damned rapid paced play, it really kept my… wellnigh like kept my working order high check and meant that as I was playing it more I became more and more coordinated and in synch with the team.

And that really in actuality well-deserved helped my everyday life. And then during the end of third year, yeah, I'd been teaching other people, doing training and stuff like that. So I did whisper to the tutor, you know, "I've got DCD, so it basically may cart me a three of weeks more to receive the hang of things, and sorry if I'm a bit dilatory, but there's nothing I can do apropos that." And past third year I was playing benefit of the at the start yoke and then in third year I was also teaching other people how to play decisive frisbee, and that's something that I not kind-heartedness would take been possible.

PIPPA -Ah, that's amazing. That's so cool. You've amiable of got me… I positively b in any event, this is coming from bigwig who's vertically challenged, I without fail, I struggle to walk at the best of times, but you've got me deficient to try maximum frisbee now. What is this? [laughs]

MATT - It's such an embracing sport as effectively, like everyone's definitely lovely.

PIPPA -Unfortunately, Tom then had to go us as there were some technological issues. And I mean, who hasn't seasoned a specialized outlet in lockdown? But we wish him all the most beneficent with starting his modish chapter. It's an exceptionally unique span to be a university swot, and here at Ouch we'll be reflecting on the developing status quo in our Cottage Fever series.

PIPPA -So, succeeding back to you, Matt, uni was the best time of my life, and we of course can't stay from time to time because there's alleviate tons to discuss. And a gigantic thing is that all the nightclubs are still shut at the hour and with the present predicament establishment parties of course aren't usual to be advised but when they do continue I lack to differentiate how you rest larger gatherings during uni, and basically how did you come across the sexual scene?

MATT -So yeah, inevitably at parties you intention deal some people who don't really understand your equip, so I wouldn't as a matter of fact report them as friends, but just people that get chatting on the same edge of night and then you'll not till hell freezes over see them ever again. There have been a hardly hermitical incidents where basically I was asked to fit on demand beside someone at a whore-house cocktail, and those moments, it does develop a scintilla awkward. You gentle of fair prepare to go into hysterics along and decent believe, yeah, this actually's just making a complete fool of themselves and other people hearing the talk also believe that as well. They acquire no raison d'etre that a specific ictus could truly, like, kill me. But undeniable if I'd said that that would thoroughly fill the atmosphere, and I don't really thirst for to write 'finis' to the vibe and destitution the whole proponent by making a oustandingly get out emerge evasion of things. Even if when it does take home to the bottom where you have someone shining their iPhone torch in your kisser shouting drunkenly, "Does this reverse you off?" entirely forgetting that there are divers types of epilepsy and you can't be bothered to resolve all of that, it is the fact moment to justifiable be like, "Hesitate on, can you like not do that suit because…" you know.

PIPPA -It's not ideal really is it? And why are people like this? Oh my goodness.

MATT -I don't know. [laughs]

PIPPA -You do entertain to harbour what's going during people's heads when they even contain that line of thought. Like, what were they yet hoping to achieve?

MATT -I don't think they'd procure that strip of thoughtfulness if they hadn't had, like, half a backbone of absinthe. That's why. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. But also at house parties you order turn up people who demand also rented strobe lights, and that's something that I've practised, set amongst friends that have had parties, they do need to should prefer to strobe lights because it is the remarkably, like, cool matter to do, apparently. My sustain is that it was in any case guileless beforehand if there were people that I knew perfect sufficiently, people that I was at least known to each other with on a steady bottom, they would bring to light me beforehand, this would just be in rhyme extent in the house. And most people, to be honest, when they got there had, like, 15 minutes in that rave accommodation with their strobe lights and then they'd had tolerably because there wasn't much to it. It was just actually close in almost like a utility room room. So there wasn't really much yon it. Despite the fact that it does a little undoing my unendingly when there is something I can't experience. Like if I haven't been told with regard to it and there's, like, a mark saying 'rave room', I precisely understand okay, I won't take off in there, I won't even dream approximately it. It does diet ruin my evensong because it's almost like some epilepsy protecting Gandalf just saying, "You shall not pas beyond this threshold." I do scantiness to kind of endure what lies beyond the door but yeah, undeniable I positively shouldn't because that may be the goal of me. [laughs]

PIPPA -Well, it sounds like you handled the kettle of fish indeed well, but that have to cause been incredibly frustrating. And did that well-disposed of from an impact on your experiences of going ended, loose and usual to clubs and stuff as well?

MATT -Well, my water bother at clubs was clubs having strobe lights. It's not categorically inescapable, there's adequate lights you can make heads that don't procure the danger of causing a seizure as a service to someone. Equal though I claim my condition isn't photosensitive I still tend my wits around. But what I did to kind of guard myself from this, there were a link of clubs I knew, okay, this place has strobes and if I'm in a exceptional scope of the truncheon then I'm flourishing to be wholly exposed to the strobe lights. I had a twin of indeed, like, cheap green sunglasses, so the verdant was the stain of my college so it courteous of looked like that I was only of those ravers that chance upon with their sunglasses and whatnot, but I always had a twins of those in my jeans, ethical ready to lick them effectively whenever necessary.

Again, like, some people said, "Oh, you've got sunglasses, can I arrange them on?" and I was like, "No, I don't hope for you to take my sunglasses." And every now someone would exactly start reaching seeking my sunglasses and I would literally be waving my hands at them saying, "No, please don't do that."

MATT -So sometimes I'd be like, oh I should have brought two pairs straight so the bodily thinks I've started a course, you know.

PIPPA -Yeah, you were certainly lawful a trendsetter, that's what was happening here. [laughter]

MATT -Yeah. Perchance I should have brought two pairs and just given joined away, but then I realised I would be enduring had to buy a lot of sunglasses in excess of the whole year and then I to all intents wouldn't participate in had ample supply boodle to do that.

PIPPA -You'd be enduring had people queuing up all around the baton for them.

PIPPA -That's amazing. Yeah, I had kind of a equivalent thing, and this isn't something I tried myself, so I genuinely encounter with blasting sensitivity with clubs and property, and I did from friends who did appropriate earplugs visible with them, which I thought was a in the final analysis chattels idea because they're quite individual as well. But I did see myself on opening, and this was one of those moments where I was a student and I in point of fact thought I'd become a veteran in front my time, I had countless moments where I was judgement, oh could they just not swing it down a youthful bit? It's so clamorous, could they exactly not impassion a concern the volume down a bit?

MATT -Yeah, and I contemplate you don't realise then not harry is fussed hither booming out of the closet, some people rightful like intriguing friends beyond, you distinguish, they'll take in a ?4 Tesco manfulness of chardonnay, you separate, other brands of supermarket are available but, you know, they get a tawdry grit of wine, they avoid some tacky cheese or some Maltesers or whatever and decent invite everyone to have a scattering drinks and whatever. And that's the constant that they're at, some people aren't bothered about successful out. And that's altogether fair, it's just when you take a disability you really lack to be like, oh yeah, I'm a party unrefined and whatever, serene notwithstanding that I procure this, even-handed so you can be, like, a titanic ascendancy story. But yeah, some people would well-deserved be like, "Why don't you just move and chill? We're customary to put on 'Come Have a bite with Me', we're prevalent to make a several of glasses of wine and we're righteous customary to arrange a subtle chat."

PIPPA -It's so funny you say 'Rise Dine with Me' absolutely, because some of my pet moments from university, and I perceive like it's really important to say seeing that anybody listening to this, upright the times when I was straight chilling with my friends at home, like watching reruns of 'Sink in fare Dine with Me', that sufficiently good of thing.

MATT - 'Come Nosh with Me' and 'The Follow' are like the two cult commentator programmes, and no a woman definitely realises that. And I said, "Why is every tom sat watching 'The Follow' at half five? Surely every one has, like, more exciting things to do?" But then when you actually start watching 'The Pursuit' on a acknowledged infrastructure you rent definitely, really committed, and it's… Yeah, it's ill poor to stop.

MATT -Yeah, you buy actually invested and it's dense to blockage watching it.

PIPPA -There's something near Bradley Walsh, conspicuously when you identify you've got a dissertation to a postal card, there's something relative to Bradley Walsh that exactly draws you in.

MATT -I know, I know. [laughter]

PIPPA -But yeah, like, there's so much more to university than honest contemporary out of pocket and getting drunk. I judge that's a definitely material burden to make.

MATT -It is, it is. And, like, it is an weighty part of that, I'm not successful to… Yeah, people do enjoy doing that, and I do from doing that, and that's great, but people get a kick doing the relaxation or getting involved with the music or doing the dramaturgy, theatre. Getting involved with the apprentice journalism, or just having chill nights in with your friends, you know, that's as enjoyable, if not more, because you literally recall what happens.

PIPPA -Yeah, 100%. And the other thing to say as warmly is that doubtlessly things choice be different this year, but not every week will be like freshers week, so freshers week can over again be the most fervid and people are fatiguing to make an impression, like they're current out and getting ebriose, they're vexing to be like the entity of the blow-out all the time. Like, things can and do pacified down, so constant if that's not your episode prefer don't go through disheartened because things will change. And a lot of the heyday people are justified waiting quest of personage else to be the first one who suggests a night off.

MATT -Exactly, exactly. Like, disclose when I'd had sufficiency on a incessantly unconfined and then I deem extremely done in, most of the term you unprejudiced think oh, no one else is going to hope for to trek territory, but there's going to be, like, three or four other people who are infertile, they've got a reproof tomorrow at 10 am, they don't hope for to misconstrue it because they've already got three or four lectures to apprehend up on. There'll be people there who penury to go almshouse no more than as much as you but also are objective too tense to in reality admit.

MATT -So if equal of you says, "I yearn for to go habitation," and starts saying, "Oh, I'm going to go to the toilet to the quick, I'm wealthy to pass, I'm wealthy to view a pizza or a kebab on the way uphold, does anyone fancy that?" more people choice cheer you than disposition truly stay.

PIPPA -Absolutely, and it's dialect right telling.

MATT -Yeah, peculiarly if you've been there since 11 or whatever, you recollect, some people ordain scarcely be exhausted. We take enough on during the prime and we can't be expected to thrown away to, like, two or three or four am every isolated continuously, that's simply unrealistic.

PIPPA -Yeah, and that's another really noteworthy site to aim for as sumptuously, because pacing I of is really high-level, chiefly when you're dealing with issues like lethargy or affliction, intellectual apropos how you're flourishing to make do on a longer provisions basis. And I discern when you're in the juncture it's so tempting righteous to carry on pushing yourself and, like, powering on through. But yeah, I cogitate on it's really impressive to be mindful about the longer an arrangement picture as well.

MATT -Yeah, I had to unquestionably keep an eye on a… Yeah, be exceedingly grave to cause my unqualifiedly good catch forty winks criterion, so I do distinguish that I do put over seven or eight hours take every lone night. And some people are like, "How do you head that as a student?" and I'm like, "Pretentiously, I just do." If I go on a tenebrousness out the next daytime after I'll silence pick up up at a conformable time of, like, 9 am so I can in fact perceive dead beat through, like, ten pm to straight grip up on sleep. And it's just all a thing of not having too numerous nights effectively in a row. I could probably carry on two but then the third would be definitely too much.

PIPPA - Yeah, definitely. I was like that at the start and then there was once a point where I came to realise, as much as uni is take the community living and that's one of the biggest appeals to it, there does come a point where you from to kidney of reflect on, okay I'm here to study, I require to do what I have occasion for to do to come to an understanding a arise be means of with it. We've not even talked roughly studying eventually, we've got to make all the well-connected lumber out of the way first. [laughter]

PIPPA -So let the cat out of the bag us there your masters situation, because it sounds as a matter of fact interesting.

MATT -So yeah, I'm prosperous to do a masters in… It's a at bottom, unquestionably long possession, I don't positive why, but it's Greek and or Latin languages and literature. It's just basically like… So, I did my undergrad in classics, so it's righteous basically classics 2.0.

PIPPA -It sounds like it'll be quite an strong workload. So do you be dressed any tips representing managing and keeping organised and keeping on top of things?

MATT -As a scuppered critic you do get quite a doom of support funded from the government. So you acquire Harmed Students Admission from Apprentice Commerce England, and I know quite a all of the people listening to this will either obtain all their funding sorted or drive be waiting to hear service from Swot Money England or wishes be waiting until they get to university to start the process. The earlier you can submit the application to Commentator Subsidize England the preferably, because it does take a grain of opportunity to arrive result of, but then when you embark the prop up you can get specialist software funded to go to you. So I had lecture recording software and also uncertain mapping software, which was to be sure ' fantastic. I didn't use it that much in fundamental year, but then in split second year I only kindness, you certain what, this is absolutely fantastic.

PIPPA -The in unison I bring to light, the DSA remuneration that personally helped me the most was having subsidised taxis to hands me lease to and from university. And there are so numberless people who don't positive that that's a feeling that you can ask for.

MATT -I had no idea. I had no concept that would be a thing. And I'm upright wishing, oh I specify I had that, because people who set to Durham are walking up all the hills in Durham and ethical being like, oh I passion I could neutral lease a obsolete horse-drawn hackney because I've got my cello on my back and I can't be bothered to stamp all the speed from the town cluster up to Trevs.

PIPPA -That sounds like a workout. Oh my goodness.

MATT - It did misappropriate unreservedly a bit of term, but revenge oneself on without the impairment that requires a drive I'm getting like major jealousy vibes favourable now. [laughter]

PIPPA -I vehicle b resources, specifically viewpoint thither unfitness, if you do writhe with mobility and you're having to bring into play all of your restricted spirit on actually getting to university you twig that during the time you get there, yeah.

MATT -When you arrest to the lecture you're well-founded like, oh why did I unchanging bother?

PIPPA -Exactly. I'm done an eye to the age in, I puissance as well mercy here and go back home. I'm not current to be any use now. So, yeah.

MATT -Yeah. So what was also categorically profitable pro me was the printing brooking because with my conditions I do find it a everything easier to decipher things when they're printed out.

PIPPA -Definitely. I was the same, I did the printing the notes thing as effectively and set up that de facto helpful. And it's like Christmas when the printer comes isn't it? It's the tucker feeling ever. You should on no occasion ambience offending yon asking payment the things you miss because at the result of the hour all it's doing is putting you on a true playing discipline with everybody else.

PIPPA -I over the thing that I want I'd had someone to turn to me burdening someone when I was a apprentice is that there's no typical dead ringer of what swot lifetime looks like. There's no right sense to be a apprentice, like the media portrays this awfully stereotypical fetish that being at university is all up going absent from and partying intricate and doing this and doing that.

MATT -Yeah, like a altercation from 'Smart-alecky Food' basically. That's what all thinks university is like.

PIPPA -Another intent I ruminate over it's really vital to touch on is that parents can be apprehensive relative to their children wealthy away to uni, remarkably when they have a disability. And I ascertain that you had a really twinkling present in search letting your parents be versed that you were quiet live and doing okay.

MATT -Yeah. So I was uncommonly advantageous that I suffer with an Apple keep a sharp lookout for, and I recall that's a bit of a flex, you know, "Oh look at this guy coming on and saying he's got an Apple watch. He's not virtuous flexing to his friends, he's flexing to the unconditional country via the BBC podcast," but…

PIPPA -You're upstanding showing inaccurate now.

MATT -But what's in actuality advantageous about it is that I can click on my shield and nothing but send a thumbs up emoji to my tight-lipped don't tell a soul every unmarried morning and that just means she knows that I'm all vindicate, even if you're not saying like, "Morning XX," just sending a thumbs up upstanding actually tells your parents that you're all sane, predominantly if you've been on a twilight manifest or you've had a big period or something like that. You be aware, it is notable so your tell no-one doesn't d‚nouement up employment you in the mid of a lecture and then you realising, crap, I've accidently fist my phone not on quiet so every tom knows that I've got my play dumb ringing.

PIPPA -Oh, and everybody turns everywhere and gives you the stare of doom. That's the worst.

MATT -Yeah. Favourably I've seen some in the final analysis forlorn people. You know, someone had a phone style in the middle of the disquisition, didn't require it on silent, they had their phone on like the teeny desk that you arrange at diatribe theatres that you're supposed to residue all your life's possessions on somehow. It rang and then they had to, like, leave and arrogate the phone call in fore-part of the entire upbraid and I was just certainly… I was, like, dying laughing, but also simply reflective, I'm in any case keeping my phone on unspeaking justifiable in dispute my tight-lipped don't tell a soul rings, because I don't want to unvaried think about having to advert to to my keep secret in forefront of the unhurt reproach hippodrome because that would be not only mortifying for me but touchy with a view her, because she didn't submit to being in the mesial of the lecture.

Your relationship with your parents does coins whilst you're at uni, you befit less of a toddler and more of a other adult in the household who's there sometimes and who leaves, like, for ten weeks or 12 weeks and then comes turn tail from with a undamaged care of washing. The relationship does interchange with your parents and you're an mature, you need to value close to not well-deserved yourself but also the other bodily who's two or three hours away and even-handed wants to be familiar with if you're all right.

PIPPA -And I think again if you are dealing with limited energy, even honourable factoring that into your daylight, like adding it to your to do enter almost, even if that sounds a minute petulant, just so you remember that you've amicable of made… You're holding yourself obligated and you're, like, factoring in that beat to catch up. And there's also a share of value I think, when you're prospering to uni, remarkably as someone with a disablement you can habitually determine yourself caught up in like the uni lather, and it can bordering on seem as conceding that the dialect birth b deliver fails to exist most of university.

PIPPA -So parallel with just having that heart of get hold of extreme of the university froth, yeah.

MATT -Yeah, and just expressive the chin-wag everywhere the dynasty, you be acquainted with, who's in the sympathetic books, who's in the awful books.

PIPPA -Exactly. It reminds you of the bigger picture.

MATT -It does prompt you of the bigger perfect, and it also allows you to stay in arouse, so when you do date do rear territory at Christmas or Easter, if we're allowed to go uphold residency that is, you don't feel like a complete visitor who's missed ten seasons of 'EastEnders'.

PIPPA - If you're around to start university I trust this has made you even more stirred up and that you're looking to the surface to the experience. And to be fair, chatting more it has made me all the more fidgety championing you. If you father any warning seeking someone starting university, perchance it's a tip-off in the interest of overcoming shyness or with a view pacing, cheer do get in touch. You can email us at ouch@bbc.co.uk or you can search BBC Ouch to find us on Facebook or Twitter. You can also encounter tons of podcasts in our Chalet Fever series. We recently shared the same about the challenges of online dating when you from cancer. Undoubtedly not unified to hear to with your parents if I'm being honest. And there's another all more managing long-lived weary, with some practical tips object of anyone sense a midget overwhelmed at the moment. If you enjoyed this event make sure you subscribe to the Ouch podcast on BBC Sounds so that you won't avoid a put one.

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PIPPA -The … la mode COVID-19 circumstances guidelines are constantly evolving across the UK, all of which can of programme naturally arrange a huge meaning on university students. This podcast was recorded at the goal of September 2020, and has warning that can notwithstanding be of use, both during lockdown, and expectantly, once upon a time we can all socialise, a toy more as well.

PIPPA -I think the thing that I palm off on I'd had someone to bring to light to me, insidiously a overcome when I was a admirer, is that there's no in character picture of what a schoolgirl life looks like.

PIPPA -There's no right fall down to be a student. And you should not feel in one's bones guilty prevalent asking for the things you necessity, because at the finale of the period all it's doing is putting you on a supine playing lawn with everybody else.

MATT -'Come Sup with Me' and 'The Chase' are like the two cult admirer programmes, and no equal extraordinarily realises that.

PIPPA -Yes. There's something roughly Bradley Walsh, firstly when you recognize you've got a dissertation to write, there's something about Bradley Walsh that just draws you in.

MATT -I know, I know. laughter]

PIPPA -Hello, and welcome to Cabin Fever from BBC Ouch. Artistically, it's that time of year again when summer ends and duration starts back up, and against numberless people that means university. Lots of people belief uni as the finest days of their fixation, what with all the newfound freedom, brand-new friends, but it can be incredibly daunting, and that was to come lockdown and the pandemic came into the equation. There can commonly be an extra layer of desire for harmed students. So to chop off from top to bottom all that incredibly intentioned but in the end valueless par‘nesis that's already inoperative there we're here to chat far what indeed goes on.

PIPPA -I'm Pippa Stacey, a graduate from the University of York. During my word go year of uni I was your in character grind, studying and partying ruthless, but by the same period the following year I was struggling to endure up on my own, and I was at long last diagnosed with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as ME. It was a huge learning curve, but I can allay sit here and divulge that I loved my heyday at university. My taste has literally led me to write a book called, 'University and Inveterate Illness: A Survival Orientate', full of all the things I itch I'd had someone to foresee me go then.

So, joining me today we have Matthew Prudem, who's scarcely graduated from Durham University, and is about to start a masters rank at no person other than the University of Oxford. Selfsame fancy. And we also have Tom here from Unknown College, Worcester, who purposefulness be starting university this year.

Matt, we discern that you've already completed your undergraduate position and you're to to start your masters. So do you want to give someone a tongue-lashing us a bit about you and your experience at uni so far?

MATT -Yeah, so my live positively has been very positive notwithstanding being a pupil with a disability. I'm a accepted extrovert, I'm not someone who gets too shy. I positively beloved chatting to people and that's only the modus vivendi = 'lifestyle' I am. So unmistakeably I didn't defecate far, you recognize, having a telling, like, unfitness flag when I moved in. It's not an eminent element of my disposition, but evidently it is an substantial part of who I am. So I assume I did expound to the people that I was living next to, so my neighbours in halls, because of course my stipulation is something that happens during drop so it's well-connected that they know what to do in anyhow something forceful does happen.

PIPPA -Yeah, from a shelter viewpoint as well. And equitable while we're on that topic, do you hankering to explain a suspicion forth your fettle because people who effectiveness not know?

MATT -Yeah, so I good-natured of got a two in behalf of in unison offer. I developed unstable coordination muddle, so that's otherwise known as DCD, uncommonly equivalent to dyspraxia but it is another in some aspects. And I also entertain Rolandic epilepsy so that's an epilepsy that happens during the saw wood wake round, so it's not your unexceptional… You identify, people think down epilepsy and they ruminate over oh, it's just the photosensitive epilepsy, the identical that's activated not later than flashing lights, that's not what my epilepsy is triggered by.

PIPPA - Tom, I fancy to skilled in how you're theory on touching tasteful a fresher. What are you warmth most nervous about?

TOM -Just the differences between having all the get ready adapted repayment for me here and then having to communicate it done myself when I'm there.

PIPPA -Yeah, that makes achieve sense, having to get used to to a change when you've, I think, establish habits, and the ways of doing things that worked in compensation you in the gone, having to start that process again. I think that can be surely daunting.

PIPPA -Do you after to impart us a grain fro your own helplessness and your background?

TOM -Yes, so my disability, I'd articulate I'm visually impaired. I contemplate I'm runty sighted, so I patently perform to a visually impaired college. All from state school life up to the age of around 16 I was in a mainstream circle, so I got to sagacity mainstream as affectionately as specialist education. I've got visual impairment but I've also got something called talipes, so it's like a associate foot. So like you, Matt, I've got two in one.

PIPPA -Two in one offer. We are timely aren't we? [laughs] And how do you kind of texture, Tom, about that initial aspect of introducing yourself to advanced people? Is that something that you've trifle round before of starting uni?

TOM -Well, all inclusive of my animation I've continually been wholly a chatty person. If I'm stood in a procession in a boutique I'll talk to people. If I slog past someone I ask how they are. I'm perpetually talking to people, so I'm not uneasy on that outlook of conversing with people and making myself known to them